"...this is America say whatever you want."
You are aware that not everyone participating is from American continent and that topic of this thread is about Hong Kong?
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Good story nonoise, keep telling yourself that. This is exactly what is happening in this country today and when people try to attempt to bring any type of decision, it is met with artificial comments, bashing, insults and disrespect. I do not put out bs, only facts and you are completely welcomed to disagree. Since this pandemic i have never stopped working and come in contact with many people. I always talk openly with others and listen to their experiences. I do not base my knowledge on cnn or fox, I think the media as a whole has their own agenda. 95 percent of what I say is from what I see on my interaction with the public. 5 percent is tv, the truck driver was from the news, I followed up with internet research and then called a friend of mine who lives in the area to confirm. Maybe I'm not all there for listening to what others are experiencing. I guess I could just watch the media for all the facts. Lol. I guess I am talking about it. Nothing states I am blocking anyone from their own personal opinions. I will sit here and wait patiently for your next insult. |
«Small intelligence discriminates, greater intelligence encompasses» - traditional saying It is useless to argue by opposing points of view, it is useful to integrate the different points of view in a larger perspective .... It is where good faith and common values play a decisive role, The loss of common values is the tragedy of our time ... My grain of salt.... |
pcc67 Well I will say I can identify with your sentiments, and it's sad the complete lack of patience and respect for differing opinions. I wouldn't criticize that as being political, it's the effects of human behavior. Landmark Forum discusses this behavior for example: In the Already Always Listening segment, we visit the notion that while we think of ourselves as open-minded and objective, in fact our approach to ourselves, our circumstances, and others is often filtered and even obscured by pre-existing notions and ideas – by our upbringing, our values, our past experiences. In this session, we see those filters for what they are – an all-pervasive influence that profoundly colors our relationships with people, circumstances, and even ourselves. An awareness of these filters, and a recognition of the striking limits that they impose, allows for a refreshing freedom. People, situations, and our approach to life alter dramatically. You're covering psychology territory, that would be my assessment. |
I do value others opinions and would never bash someone for having a different opinion. At no point did I refuse to hear other opinions. I do not recall saying keep your opinion to yourself, though I did say everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I know that almost sounds the same. I usually don't say anything on this site and this is exactly why, pointless attacks because people have differences. I do read many things hear, but I do see constant attacks for zero reason. Perfect example is class d. I just pointed out this is probably not the proper place to voice this subject. I do not refuse to hear others, this is America say whatever you want. But don't bash others for having a different opinion than yours. Your interpretation of what i said is completely wrong. Typical. |
@thecarpathian, I do not wish to get into a political debate on this audio website. Without getting into detail i know what i seen on the news. As far as the military. Put fear into people, in this case weaponize a virus, make people fight against each other and divide them, which is exactly what has happened. Make them follow what ever rules you put in place and have their own friends, family or others inforce those rules to the extent of becoming hostile towards each other. There is so much more thats happening but as I said this is an audio site. And the only reason for my 2 cents is I seen others here being attacked for voicing there opinion which they are entitled to, just like all of us. This country has started to attack its own people for having different opinions. Americans attacking Americans, now if that is not divide and concur, I don't know what is. This is what we do in other countries when we want to control people. But you are entitled to your opinion and I will not attack you for that. Its your freedom. |
@pcc67, Great post. Someone has to say it as it is. It wont be the mainstream media. As for the coming vaccine it looks like a question of which one and who should take it. It looks like the UK is going to get a mixture of the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine and the one from Oxford university. With a 1 in 5 chance of 'complications' (21%) and no long term testing data, those under 70 without any underlying health conditions will need to think hard before getting the jab(s). |
I watched it on tv as people blocked the road and jumped on top of a moving truck. Then the media turns it on the driver like its his fault, well if I seen an angry mob trying to stop me I personally would feel threatened and run them over. I'm not down playing the virus, I am just wondering if our eyes are completely closed about what is happening in this country and across the world. 20 plus yrs in the military and I am seeing the same tactics which I learned, being used on us to control people.How so did the media blame the driver? Please clarify. What people controlling tactics that you have learned in the military are being utilized? Please clarify. |
I was not going to put in my 2 cents but why not. I find it very sad that Americans are attacking Americans or people attacking people. We have freedom and I don't believe anyone has the right to step on it. You people are constantly attacking each other and politics/media has driven you there. If you think the virus is going to threaten or kill you then stay home. Unfortunately we don't all have the funds to stay home. I've watched this country and all its actions towards its own people and I can say without a doubt it is discussing and you all should be ashamed of yourselves. We thanked people for continuing to provide us with goods and services, then attack the truck drivers who continue to provide our goods. Blocking roads and acting like animals. I watched it on tv as people blocked the road and jumped on top of a moving truck. Then the media turns it on the driver like its his fault, well if I seen an angry mob trying to stop me I personally would feel threatened and run them over. I'm not down playing the virus, I am just wondering if our eyes are completely closed about what is happening in this country and across the world. 20 plus yrs in the military and I am seeing the same tactics which I learned, being used on us to control people. PS. You are entitled to your own opinion as I am. |
“Does ANYONE think to compare "normal" non accident death rates, maybe by age or other risk group factors, to "current" death rates? Until very recently I worked as a medical facility professional, and not ignore COVID, but most of the patients I observed with COVID had MULTIPLE health issues to contend with that were likely significant factors. On a personal level, being over 60, my confirmed "infection" resulted in minimal symptoms. My mid 80s father also had limited impact. My sympathies to anyone who has lost a loved one during this but there is ZERO doubt in my mind that ALL sides have turned this into as much, or more, of a political issue than a medical issue. And we are NOT being provided with any reliable, statistically validated information regarding the DIFFERENTIAL impact(s).” Data on excess deaths has in fact been widely available from the beginning of the crisis. Simply googling “excess deaths from COVID” will provide you with many, many sources broken down in multiple ways including from the CDC in the US. |
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Do you go around shaking hands with people at Walmart? Does a mask get in the way of touching your hands to your mouth and nose? (Yes). Are the eyes very small compared to the surface area and air movement of our airways (yes). This is a statistics thing. We don't need to prevent every infection, we just need to prevent enough that the cases go down, not up. Have you heard of any super-spreader events where masks were worn? I have not. |
Practically all the people who had lessened immune systems due to, whatever, would still be alive if it weren't for having Covid added to the mix. Any doctor who'd not list Covid as the proximate cause of death should have their medical license revoked. To complain about that is insane. That's like getting a murderer off for shooting someone who had diabetes, or who were obese, or had asthma, saying they were going to die anyway, maybe, at some distant point in time. How asinine can someone be to make such an argument? These are the same people who accuse or infer that climate scientists are in it for the money, as are medical professionals and coroners who list Covid as the cause of death. Some people need to get a life. All the best, Nonoise |
bluemoodriver, Those numbers "deaths within 28 days of positive test" are not "COVID deaths". They are deaths within 28 days of positive test. Detailed explanation (found on the same page) does not imply that those deaths have anything to do with COVID. You might have associated it as "COVID deaths" because it is close to "COVID on death certificate" statistics on that same page. However, both of those numbers can provide for nice statistical exercise and challenging detective work. |
bluemoodriver, I may get to those statistics a little later, but the truth is that due to the nature of infection and response to it, most of the deaths with positive Coronavirus test will, in fact, be triggered by infection. In the meantime, it is informative to read how deaths are actually certified. You might be surprised that it is not what some would want you to believe. There is some thinking involved. |
Strange thing, when you are wearing a mask, there is a natural barrier that prevents your hands from touching your nose or your mouth. You will have to use some self control not to touch your eyes. There is a pathway through the eyes, but, as your eyes don't breath, the amount of air they are exposed to is a very very small fraction of that your air passages are exposed to. tomcy61,854 posts11-22-2020 9:39pmAudio2design, |
‘deaths by any cause with a positive test within 28 days’ is the one used in the daily updates and in all the analysis of lockdown measures, etc. "Deaths by any cause" counted as deaths by covid. Do they think you're stupid? https://youtu.be/oQxaGm7eK4U?t=40 |
Not at all. There are two figures used and the ‘deaths by any cause with a positive test within 28 days’ is the one used in the daily updates and in all the analysis of lockdown measures, etc. (https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk) There is another figure with a lag of at least a week for ‘deaths where there is any mention of COVID on the death certificate’. This is a bigger number (about 60,000 rather than about 50,000). Average age of death in either method is about the same at 84 years. This is 2 years older than the average age of death without the involvement of Covid. |
bluemoodriver, Here in UK deaths by any cause within 28 days of a positive Covid test is a “Covid death”. I believe you misunderstood the process to some extent. Check pages 5, 6, and 14 (and onwards). guidance-for-doctors-completing-medical-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf (publishing.service.gov.uk) |
For all those anti-maskers in the crowd, YES YOU! Listen, and listen good. I am going to give you a little lesson in melt-blown plastics, statistics, and viral transfer. Let's starts with melt-blown plastics. One of the advantages of melt-blown plastics is that they have electrostatic properties. Even breath moist, they still have electrostatic properties. That means they are able to attract particles to them. Let's go on to filtering. When a mask says it can filter 95% of all particles at 0.3um, that does not mean that every particle smaller than 0.3um passes through. In fact, even at 0.15um, a significant number of particles are stopped (see above). In fact, N95 respirators have been shown to very effectively filter down even as low as 10nm due to electrostatic charge. That works not as well up in the 40-80nm range, mechanical means takes over and it gets better again. Miller is correct though, you need a good fit. I find for most people, the KN95 and N95 cone filters fit their face better than the 3M filters. If you are a guy, SHAVE! Just do it and stop complaining. You beard, moustache, etc. is not more important than your health or someone else's. Even without a perfect fit, most of your breath will still pass through the mask, unless you have a really poor fit. Viral transfer. Yes, it is true that a single viral particle can infect, you, but odds are, most single viral particles will not. Your immune system even without specific defences still has general defences for intruders and the virus does not infect all cell types, but certain cell types and it has to land on and infect one. A larger droplet, which masks will filter most, contains orders of magnitude more viral particles, as well as a carrier (water) that offers protection and longevity increasing viral transfer potential. Now for that statistics lesson. Let's say the odds of a single viral particle causing an infection are 1/100. Now, if you are exposed 100 virus particles, that does not mean you get infected. It means the odds of being infected are about 63%. Now if someone else wears a mask, especially a half decent one, that number drops to say 25 particles (and maybe less). Now your odds of being infected are only 22%. If you have a good mask, you can reduce that by a further 75%, so now there is only 6 particles that get into your body. Your odds of being infected is now 5.85%. You have to be really really bad at math to want your odds of infection to be 63% instead of 5.85%. |
OMG, just when you think you have a handle on how dumb someone is you are reminded there is no lower bound on human intelligence. Then again this particular someone is in a class of his own. Well technically not class, there is none, more like study hall. And not the cool Say Anything study hall either more like Fast Times at Ridgemont. HCQ can be ordered from insulinhub.com in the UK where it is sold over the counter. This is where I got mine back in March. Kind of glad I do have it since if I do get it (which I did not, one fake test result to the contrary) I know from experience how hard it is to get your own doctor to give you the proper treatment. The price is higher than it should be but cheap insurance and the customer service second to none. When mine got held up in US Customs the guy apologized even though it wasn't his fault- and shipped me another one! The second shipment arrived before the first, I wound up with a two-fer. |
Rixthetrik nailed it with his description of Hong Kong. I lived four years in the PRC with just a 25 minute ferry ride to HK. Loved visiting the city almost every weekend. The handover from the Brits occurred while I was there and some HK merchants I knew were freaking about it. I can’t imagine a more competitive or costly place to start a business, but it sure would be exciting. |
bluemoodriver, "Glupson - as long as you know a mask does not protect the wearer at all." I would not go that far to say "at all". At least, my experience tells me there may be some benefit to wearing a mask. True, I do not have my own CPAP machine to get infected so take my experience with a grain of common sense. |
