I can prove your room is bad

So if the speaker’s off-axis response is poor, would you expect the room to fix it?

@audiokinesis

Oh, no, not me. :) That’s why I stated in the OP that the difference is in fact the combination of the room and speaker dispersion.


Best,
E

That's it!Buy headphones.

@tvad , does said room come with a jacket by any chance?

Erik wrote:

"The difference between what you hear sitting in front of the speaker like this, and what you hear at your normal location is all in the speaker dispersion and room acoustics."

I can go along with that. 

So if the speaker’s off-axis response is poor, would you expect the room to fix it?

If so, how?

Duke

milpai says to erik,

“Would love to see your room. You should certainly post your system here”.

Erik is a biggest advocate of GIK Acoustics and Room EQ but he won’t post his system for whatever reason 😎

@phil55, it had been done. The business was called Rives. Unfortunately they are no longer, after 2015. You can spend tens of thousands on a room alone.

I recently started to look at the room as half of the system and learning to properly tune it is a skill. I am still learning and wish I had a cloud and more diffusion. My room at one point became overly damped so I started removing panels.
Getting a quiet room can be a curse though in that it made me hyper sensitive to untreated rooms and their horrible acoustics. When I see / hear a news reporter reporting from home and they have an overly live room with horrible echo, I immediately change the channel.

I was recently showing my system to my Brother and when he came into my room his first remark was “whoa, it’s so quiet in here”. I’m actually going to buy some absorption panels for my hallway outside my listening room and also for my bedroom. Sometimes I’ll come to my listening room and just relax with no music playing. It’s so peaceful, I love it!

It’s a small room and I have 6 244 Panels, 4 monster bass traps and 3 no name fiberglass panels (2”x2’x4’)

If you really want to make a name in the market, find a way to combine the technical aspects of sound acoustics with interior design. Trust me, for those of us who have significant others who like to have a say in the living room, play room, game room, etc. get someone to figure this out and you will double your sales. Man caves are great for personal entertainment and sound quality...but are you  going to invite your guests and their wives to your man cave? 

edcyn, an office chair may prove enlightening.


 

AREA RUG!!!!

The two foot away position unfortunately flattened the three-dimensionality of my Harmonia Mundi Villancicos LP even if it did make the images larger.  As for frequency balance, the moves haven't done a bloody thing.  In any case, I guess I'm going to have to put my listening chair on some railroad track.

It's supposed to greatly diminish the room problems/ need for lots of treatment. We'll see.

Only for the bass. All the discussions of multiple subs eliminating a room are about room modes in the bass region.  The rest of the speaker range is still subject to the effects I noted in the original post.

I'm in the process of purchasing a subwoofer array (DEBRA). It's supposed to greatly diminish the room problems/ need for lots of treatment. We'll see. 

Way to make audiophiles even more neurotic than they already are!

Sir, you have your hobbies and I have mine.  ;-)

My room is great nobody can say its bad.

I just put my Deutsche Grammophon Placido Domingo Carmen on the turntable. Sitting at 2 feet, soundstage is bigger and wider (as it should be).  It's like I've just gotten a seat closer to the stage.  Amazingly, I still get convincing center fill and even more 3D.  Intriguing.  I'll continue to experiment.

Way to make audiophiles even more neurotic than they already are!

@erik_squires,Right on the money man. That is the way to go. Treat your room and be amazed. Then upgrade only if needed.Would love to see your room. You should certainly post your system here.

While I'm a huge proponent of applying smart room treatments I don't believe the room should fail to influence the sound at all.  That's what's implied by suggesting the best sound you can get from your room is benchmarked at extreme nearfield listening.  Yes, get bass adsorption, yes get good diffusion, and eliminate wretched slap echo --- but it's OK to hear some influence by the room! We don't want to be listening in an anechoic chamber. It's pleasing for a little liveliness to enter the sonic picture...and yes, you can certainly overtreat a room. 

Yes I have. I guess with the right artwork,they would pass as sexy.

@Rocray :

Have you seen the GIK art panels???

https://www.gikacoustics.com/product-category/acoustic-art-panels/
Best,
E

That is all? Roger that. Over and out.👨🏻‍🚀

No doubt,the room plays a major part in sound. Acoustic panels,and any other room treatment just aren’t sexy! Luckily for me, I’m married,so I don’t have to concern myself with sexy. I use GIK panels in my listening room. They may not look sexy, but they make my system sound sexier than ever before.