Hey K.....tt, Do you even have speakers??

Speakers are such an enjoyable part of our hobby....even though I am satisfued with mine....I could switch them out daily if it were practical.  Speakers are a work of Art.

lol,
Anyone who has owned that many speakers is not enjoying them as much as they think.!    Guess again big Dog.   It's like Drinking 
  Tequila. Why would you stick with 1800 that's crazy if you do it.  It's like Dating a French woman then moving to a Polish babe . Kicking & Asking yourself   why didn't i do that long ago 

i doubt you would need 50+ speakers if you were truly satisfied ,,,, Duder,   Speakers are like sexy woman every one excels 
in a different way   One day you will get it.   this man is Spot on 

Carpathian, you are the rarest phenomenon: a sane audiophile.

Hey, doodle. Yeah, I'm definitely closer to five than fifty!

Carpthian, you’re correct, I was confused.  I thought you were the one who said he’d had 50 pairs when it was actually b limo who’d posted that.  So my question should go to him:  B Limo, what speakers have you ended up with after trying so many?

I too have purchased a large amount of speakers over the past nine years but not 50 pairs. More like 30. But then I have three listening rooms and a recording studio at home and another system in my office plus compact systems in my vacation cabin and garage. I haven't acquired any speakers recently except for a pair of Tannoy Baby Gold monitors that I picked up from a large local recording studio that was closing. I'm not using them because, after much trial-and-error, I'm pleased with what I have.
But the Tannoys were such a good deal I couldn't pass them up. I'm sure some of you can relate to that.

Well, you never know with speakers. Just pulled out a pair KEF ref 201/2 from the wardrobe and they surprised me with sounding pretty good with great imaging in a new room. Best not to sell anything. Your rooms, hearings and preferences changes all the time.

Hey, b_limo, I know, we are definitely on the same page when it comes to him and his ridiculous threads.
Big time expert on any and all speakers. Yet won't answer the simplest of questions. He's also recently stated he doesn't own any speakers.
It's doodle 6 that seems to be confused......hence my response to him.

I envy b_limo's ability to experience all those speakers. More importantly the audible sonic reference he may have acquired. While most of my Hi-Fi speakers systems were bettered by their replacements their sale helped supported those merry-go-round years. 

To my surprise many of my vintage Electric / Double Bass amplifiers and cabinets have appreciated in value and collectability. Unknowingly, I kept them simply for their utility of size. Heading out with an instrument and the Avalon U5 DI is way cool.  

@ bailyhill
  I have had the same pair of speakers since 1984---Apogee Scintilla Ribbons. Still have them and enjoy them more than ever.

If you ever want to part with them, let me know. I have the amps to drive the heck out of them at 1 ohm setting!

Just to answer the query, I have currently got 14 speakers in my systems (including one AV room) as well as a half dozen Sonos network speakers.

@thecarpathian , I’m the op.  I was trying to get to the bottom of what speakers Kenjit has but then had to defend why I’ve had so many speakers over the past 8 years (around 22 pairs of speakers).  

I am curious as to what speakers Kenjit listens to because he’s on many occasions said that we’ve all been duped, we have crappy hearing, any off the shelf generic speaker is suitable for us.  He’s stated that all speakers sound horrible, so I was wondering what he listens to at home and if he’s satisfied.  If he’s not satisfied, why come to an audio website just to tell us all that audio products suck and that we have been duped, have crappy hearing, and don’t enjoy our stereo set-ups.


Doodle, sounds like you’ve got a good, if not great, wife 👍

@kenjit 

" yes most diy designs are just glorified mdf cabinets."

then in a response to this question

So, by extension, as speakers are made of a handful of materials, what is the ideal material the oh enlightened one?

mdf

Nope not for me,,going around swaping speakers,, I am old school, I started my research way back in early 1970;' sand when the I finally had to hang up my Philips 2 ways,,I went on another search. SEAS Thors. Bought the kit back in 2000ish, never looked elsewhere, Been with me now 20 yrs, and will be the only speaker til end of my road. About to have Madisound rebuild my xovers,,and good-to-go,,except one day i might recone one or 2 of the lower midbass, as my cat had used it as a  scratch post and ripped 2 holes in the sourrounds. 
No bid deal, sonds just fine. 
did you say 50 speakers in 9 years,,,lol,,hahah,,too funny. 

Hi, doodle 6. I don’t understand. Do you think I have owned a lot of speakers or kenjit has owned a lot of speakers? Because this thread is not alluding to either conclusion.

"Everybody's talkin' 'bout the New Way, the new way, the new wave...

...but old bad habits' are hard to break...."

Consider the current Ohm speakers....

Now

Throw the cabinet away....*S*

Actually...as little as possible....radical, Yes. *G*

And what there is of it...is PVC....foamed sheet, aka Sintra.

Yes, I can hear you snicker....but, then again...I'm Not building boxes....;)

Carpathian,  I’d be interested in hearing what you have.  Anyone who’s owned so many has to have accumulated a lot of knowledge about them...

While at one time a few years ago I was up to almost 150 pairs, I am now hoarding about 50 pairs. Ten pairs are set up in six rooms plus front yard and back yard. I still have the second pair of speakers that I bought, JBL L-150s from Illinois Audio in Downers Grove (IIRC). The first pair were passed along to a buddy who kept them for almost forty years. I’ve tried 15-20 brands over the years. There was a much greater jump in sound quality from the hifi consoles of the fifties to those JBL L-150s of 1976 than in the 43 years since, IMO. Many of the speakers that I bought in the 80s, 90s, 00s are long gone, but what appears to be my ending collection of setup speakers (given my age and health) isn’t far removed from starting point. I’ve gotten a tremendous amount of enjoyment out of almost all of them and am now almost completely free of the itch to buy anything else. I don’t believe I would be able to make any significant improvements over what I have now.  After almost 50 years, wife still hasn’t complained.

So, by extension, as speakers are made of a handful of materials, what is the ideal material the oh enlightened one?

mdf

i just fell into the best pair of speakers I will ever need,silly question , can I post pics here without a link , just so I can post a pic of my new system so the so called pro's can rip it apart lol
thnks

"yes most diy designs are just glorified mdf cabinets. "

So, by extension, as speakers are made of a handful of materials, what is the ideal material the oh enlightened one?

But backward, in a very muddy font...

(...post #801....*hmph*)
I think when I get to #901, I'll do it ALL CAPS....seems appropo...

Personally I don't use MDF all that much....makes great countertops, though.

I'd like to think that most of what's occurring here is 'relatively' good-natured teasing over each other's foibles...hopefully, preferably...

I mean,  Everyone has a pair...

(Speakers...stop that...)

Own as many as you want...in any flavour, size, response, cost.  If a Casio cuts the cadence for you, Kewl.
Hire a hall, and invite 50 of them....someone on eBay was selling an enormous 'wall full' of JBL's that would need a ton of amps...and that potentially could be all class D's....

If K has 'mystery' units, fine.  If they curl his toes, wonderful.
But, it does answer the 'original query': Yes, he does.
All gawds' chilllin' gots speakers.

Ok, settled.  Now, let's argue about....cables! Yeah! That's always good for about....*mmmm*....30 odd pages...and I do mean odd....;)

(I'll stop ranting now....) 

yes most diy designs are just glorified mdf cabinets. 

"The custom tuned speakers are not finalized. They are experimental and just for fun. Anybody is free to do the same. And there are already many DIY designs you can build that can be found online. "

OK, soooooo, the people who design the boxes, of which you can find drawings for on the net, they somehow know about speaker design, while the speaker manufacturers and people who design for them are clueless?

Nice...

(I think some foreign state may be meddling with this forum...)

@larry5729,
hopefully you aren’t implying that I should be removed from Audiogon for owning so many speakers...

You are aware that I’m the one who helped you finally nail down and pull the trigger on those awesome Rel subs you have, in addition to talking audio with you on the phone for an hour or two, right? lol

Anyhow, I don’t know why I thought Kenjitt would actually own up and tell us about his speakers, or that he doesn’t have any, but in his usual troll fashion, he dodges every question like an akido master.

Wolf, you shouldn’t ridicule anyone.  It’s not nice.  Do as I say, not as I do 😬

wolf_garcia,

The first one who comes to your mind. Oooops, is it my turn now?

I'm a little confused by this thread as I'm wondering, who am I supposed to ridicule?

kenjit, I didn’t ask if the PMCs were perfect. You didn’t answer my question. In fact you have avoided every question asked of you. As expected. 

Apologies

PK, you are misding something.  I was being ridiculed for owning so many different speakers, not Kenjit.

GeoffKait, was not ridiculing you.  You actually have useful stuff to say... sometimes 😬 

Kenjit, still don’t believe you have any speakers 👎. Just a keyboard and monitor

I have speakers in several rooms in my humble abode.  Each room has gone through a couple of upgrades.  It is not impossible to have a few dozen speakers go through a home over a decade, especially if you are only doing a loaner-demo.  

On another note, I was at my Sister's over the holiday last week, and she has a sign in her kitchen that says something to the effect "If you are a mean person, you don't need to be standing here."  I would suggest that is what this blog needs - mean people don't need to be here - go be mean and nasty and full of sarcasm someplace else.  Good puns are always welcome.

Back to lurking mode.

Yep. That's what I thought....

@thecarpathian 

what speakers do you have? I'm happy to identify all the problems with them if you tell us what you have. 

Currently I have over 50 sets of speakers....yep 50.

C'mon kenjit! Surely you can share some of your unparalleled knowledge regarding speaker building. Give us a breakdown on what you are customizing, components you're using, cabinet design, etc.
That is, if they actually exist somewhere besides in your head.....

The custom tuned speakers are not finalized. They are experimental and just for fun. Anybody is free to do the same. And there are already many DIY designs you can build that can be found online. 

Why would you not want to share information about your custom dyi speakers, you know spread your knowledge of what you did with crossovers, parts, cabinet materials and construction, etc etc. so others could benefit

So kenjit, are these the example or the exception to your proclamations of the horrid state of non-customized speakers available to the market?

So , are the pmc tb2s devoid of all of the myths and dirty secrets issues that you post about, and if so how?

No they are far from perfect. What does it prove by knowing what speakers i own? 

Also, tell us more about your custom tuned diy speakers

Again, why do you need to know this? what are you trying to prove?

For quite a while I thought the thread was about me. What with the Casio clock radio and isolation in a tuned room comment in the OP, and of course I do not have speakers. My Clever Lil Clocks sitting around are Casios. K___tt in the OP misspelled both Kenjit and Kait.

Am I missing something here. Kenjit is being  ridiculed  because he has owned more speakers than most. I have had at least 30 pairs in the last 2 1/2 years. In fact 17 at one time.  Many of the identical model. I really enjoyed listening to each pair. Some more than others I suppose. They were all considered vintage. And many were highly coveted as well. I refinished them, recapped them and generally did some quite nice restoration work on them that I am proud of. If would say I have learned a lot about vintage sound over  the last couple of years. 
Quite often I had 6 pairs set up in my listening room. An example was Ditton 44, AR9's, IMF TLS 50's infinity Kappa 8, JBL 100's,  Agora B's all in beautiful condition. Now that was fun. 
I Then sold most of them them at a reasonable price for someone else to enjoy. Gradually the profits paid for my hobby and  I ended up with what I think is a very nice system. 
I don't buy now like I use to because I am as high up the audio chain as I care to go at the moment. 

Variety is the spice of life. Keep buying those speakers and whatever else you want to. 

Sacred cows make for great stakes and burghers.... 

*S* Any speaker that you like/love is Valid..if only to yourself.  Ultimately, that's what counts, right?  To paraphrase, different gears for different ears. (Oh, stop groaning...you come up with better..)

A recent OP claimed 30 different amps with 12 different speakers over 5.5 years...querying that claim, he has somewhat rational explanation for such behaviour.  Fine...takes a lot of souls to fill a highway...*shrug*

Personally, I've 12 pairs, 3 subs...2/3rds of which are in line currently. This doesn't include 2 pairs 'under construction', and a motley group of this 'n that which face some sort of cruel and ghastly fate at my hands....

And that doesn't include the materials I have, on hand, to create (OMG!) 2 pairs of DML's....just because I feel the need to do so....

"WTF, Why?!"  You may ask...

I could threaten to hook them all up, @ once, play them at ungodly levels, and attempt to create a sonic singularity....or some other muddy secret for y'all to behold...."A tale, told by an idiot..."  Or, looking outside..."It's the Dark side of the moon...."

No, it's just me, wasting your eyes and semi-conscious reading this nonsense..*L*

Carry on, kenjit...Someone's got to be the devil's advocate. *G* ;)

Sounds like @b_limo has a lot of experience with a lot of speakers.

FWIW I run 7 different pair currently in seven different rooms. Perhaps I should consider turning in my audiophile card?

Someone needs to be removed from Audiogon.

Anyone who has purchased that many speakers must have a problem.  That’s crazy.

I’m familiar with the PMCs mentioned. These are great stand mounts compared to many available for the price. I can’t imagine anyone owning them that feels they are a ripoff. Or that the manufacturer could have given the buyer so much more, if only they were not so greedy or corrupt. So kenjit, are these the example or the exception to your proclamations of the horrid state of non-customized speakers available to the market? 

@ kenjit

" i use a pair of pmc tb2 and some other custom tuned DIY"

So , are the pmc tb2s devoid of all of the myths and dirty secrets issues that you post about, and if so how? Also, tell us more about your custom tuned diy speakers .