Thoughtful post. I agree most Americans are myopic, as are the majority of humans spread across the globe. Self centeredness is a basic driving force of survival. As to everyone having a voice, and even though I may find some reprehensible, I struggle with the idea that they have no right to be represented in the larger equation. I have faith that the majority will see the logic in win win decision making- taking into consideration the concept that some may obtain a larger portion of the win. I don’t see how we unwind some of those basic instincts of survival. In every species some form of Darwinism is evident.
and back to the OP…….Corporations (people), are wired to maximize their return on effort. Nothing at all wrong with that concept. I assume some manufacturers see the ROI in mid-fi to the masses- and others are targeting the Uber wealthy who have the capability and desire to chase that last couple of percent. Even that group of buyers is maximizing their ROI…….They may have a different set of value requirements than you or me. Peace.
I dont understand your post....Your claim is so general it means nothing
I’m glad that has been clarified.
When linking to something, copy the URL link (the address, www.conspiracycentral.com, for example) from your browser, then highlight some words in the body of your text, click on the thing that looks like a paperclip in the menu, and paste the URL link into the appropriate spot..
With Trudeau insane laws about speech and terrorist laws we canadians are more brainwashed than ever with no more freedom...A canadian free press did not exist...And medecine is decided NOT by the patient and a free doctor but by unelected international institution or worst imitating US corporate powers dictum and the like of Fauci...
Are we myopic like Americans ? alas! i think so, because we elected him...It was not so mucj like this decades ago...
It is so true that a conservative ex prime minister like Brian Peckford, who is the last surviving minister who signed the new constitution of the country appear NOW with his "common sense" like a REBEL banned of all official medias and organize a just lawsuit against the stupid actual government...He is my new hero... A vestigial remain of a time who even politicians with whom we could disagree were anyway the FREE owner of a working brain...
I am nostalgic of Kennedy, Einsewnhower, De Gaulle, and of the half good part of Churchill... 😁😊
I have also lived and worked outside the United States (still do) and understand that most American’s perspective is very myopic. I believe that if more Americans traveled the world they would understand how much they’ve been lied to all these years.
I speak only of the fractional reserve banking currently practiced by retail banks which are subject to independent and prudent financial regulations. Even in China.
I dont understand your post answer....Your claim is so general it means nothing...You live with the "myth" of central banking idea, i speak about the reality of central banking now...
This article is interesting:
The Death of the Central Bank Myth
For decades, monetary policy has been treated as technical, not political. The pandemic has ended that illusion forever.
Not all opinions are equal, especially opinions espoused by NeoNazis, skinheads and conspiracy theorists. I'm tired of reading these antisemitic, racist, conspiracy addled comments and sitting by as if they're normal conversations.
But if they aren't allowed to express their opinions in public how will you know what they are? I think letting them expose themselves is the best thing we can actually do.
Some thing that has followed me through life. I took logic in college and became a scientist. My skepticism has remained… ferreting the truth. Living all over the world and understanding different points of view. I have to admit, I am pretty ashamed to be an American. As some as my European and Asian friends said, “Americans, some really smart people (fortunately me included in this group) and a whole lot of stupid ones.”. Unfortunately, true.
I have similar background in how I was trained early in life and in college. I was taught critical thinking and then took logic while working on my degrees. I have also lived and worked outside the United States (still do) and understand that most American's perspective is very myopic. I believe that if more Americans traveled the world they would understand how much they've been lied to all these years. I don't think American's are less intelligent than other people in the world (lots of dumb people all over this planet), but they do tend to be more childish (emotionally) and narcissistic.
I do stand by the my belief that dumb people vote for dumb politicians. That is intended to be party neutral.
@mahgisterWhen fractional reserve banking was rational and not influenced by financial powers behind banking activity ...And there is many type of fractional banking of money, for example one backed by gold, one backed by energy, one backed by nothing .... blind irrationality of a fractional money concept back by the wind...
I speak only of the fractional reserve banking currently practiced by retail banks which are subject to independent and prudent financial regulations. Even in China.
That this not understood and is embellished is a deliberate attempt to go in circles. Small steps..
Fractional reserve banking is a given and serves society exceptionally well, but it is not criminal.
When fractional reserve banking was rational and not influenced by financial powers behind banking activity ...And there is many type of fractional banking of money, for example one backed by gold, one backed by energy, one backed by nothing ....
And something could be motivated by greed and power WITHOUT being criminal but being irrational or being an illegitame attempt to comply with greed demand in financial circle... like in the case of the repeal of the Glass-Steagal act by Clinton policy...
For exemple the abolition of the separation between investment bank and commercial bank and his link to the financial crisis of 2008...
I cite wikipedia here : «Weissman agrees with Stiglitz that the "most important effect" of Glass–Steagall "repeal" was to "change the culture of commercial banking to emulate Wall Street’s high-risk speculative betting approach. »
And Goethe in his analysis of John Law concept of money in the Second Faust, was not an accusation about "criminality" but about blind irrationality of a fractional money concept back by the wind...
And it is impossible to understand central bank complex system without reading about their history...
@mahgisterThe youtube link featuring Geoffrey Bloom is a good example of why a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. Fractional reserve banking is a given and serves society exceptionally well, but it is not criminal.
In many Western countries central banks are not part of the political system - they are deliberately independent. When politicians or their advisors of any political persuasion seek to meddle, they get a Will Smith slap.
Donald Trump attempted to in his early days of Presidency, and more recently Janet Yellen as head honcho of Treasury - her comments were swiftly deleted from the record.
Quantitative easing is was often called unconventional policy, but it is not counterfeiting nor is it criminal. It is central banks buying bonds in the open market.
Central banks charters specifically direct them to manage interest rates through a variety of methods - it is not manipulation, although I can understand why some may draw that conclusion. It is rare that a central bank anticipates - they normally follow what has already happened in the economy.
Certain individuals in the retail banking sector did manipulate LIBOR, and that was criminal and they knew it. To extrapolate that conduct to those tasked with setting interest rates is incorrect.
Moral hazard is a real issue as was demonstrated in the global financial crisis, but it has more to do not with retail guarantees (he was confusing different issues) but with the private institutional bankers knowing that they will be bailed out with a slap should things go awry, or if not, jail is only a very remote possibility. This was a combination of government policy and what was known as the "Greenspan put" in a more general macro sense. That may be googled.
And he begins with "you do not understand the concept of banking" - what follows is a fine example of an embarrassing non sequitur.
In a time crisis, there is no more a natural reequilibration of forces, this is why it is called a crisis......
For a rare moment in time history we live through multiple crisis at the same time on different level...
For example in the last two world wars there was no global climate change problems at the same time, or an acute global economical crisis world wide at the same time and a sudden INCREASING of a global scale of the wide disparities of income between people, and no gobal water crisis at the same time, no global energy crisis at the same time , and no global agricultural landmasses lost by destruction of the soil at the same time etc ....No decreasing conservation of the natural untouched part of the earth like antartica, the tropical forests, etc
And the irrationality of our banking system and money conception was NOT SO MUCH EVIDENT at this time either ...Now it is evident for all people not only for a few economists and is a part of the global crisis...There is also a global lost of confidence and trust crisis...Religions did not play anymore the same role and cannot by itself alone maintain the "sanity " of the mass or keep them in some controlled state...
For example between 1900 and 1960 there was a decreasing in poverty world wide... This trend was maintained stable after that for some deecades... Now it is the reverse there is an increasing poverty...And the reason are multiple... This is the occurrence of this many problems at all levels that constituted the crisis...
Man is deracinated from the tree of life, it is now only a machine whose parts we can recreate or sell....It is also a part of the global crisis...Transhumanism is a symptom of the excessive pride of some part of the " elite" of humanity, the rich one for sure, a new specialized cult for the lucky few...
There was a general improvement on many count in the last century, yes, in spite of all obstacles, but it is on a halt now, it is why it is called a global crisis....
Gates think we are too much people, i think that the disparity between poor and rich is the world problem, not demography itself... With education demography is no more a problem....Then instead of global vaccination it is perhaps better to pay for bread and water and education...But it does not give any return profit for sure to the "benefactor"...
I am optimist for AFTER this passing testing crisis for humanity....I am not optimist for now.... 😁😊
Mahjister, normalcy and consistency do not necessarily mean “ never changing”. Things can clearly get out of balance and require corrections. Full disclosure- I fear the uber-wealthy may fight against recalibration- but haven’t they always? As long as the masses can organize their collective thoughts and mobilize for change it can happen.
Mahjister, normalcy and consistency do not necessarily mean “ never changing”. Things can clearly get out of balance and require corrections. Full disclosure- I fear the uber-wealthy may fight against recalibration- but haven’t they always? As long as the masses can organize their collective thoughts and mobilize for change it can happen.
on the subject of banks- society needs normalization and consistency- or it is a free for all. No question things can favor the elites. But even the poorest have benefitted. I am living proof
But now we lived through the passage to a single power and a single monetary and financial systems to many powers geopolitically and to some UNKNOWN money and financial revolutions to come...
Incertain time indeed...
This is why it is a time where we look for a new balance between what is normal and consistent and what appears to be abnormal to some "conspirationists nuts" or to some "enligtened thinkers " also, like a cancer, an abnormal growth which some others "sane" but sometimes superficial observers want to continue to call perfectly "normal" state ....
In a crisis there is no more fluent consistency between states of the system ...The crisis is the gradual lost of the habitual equilibrium norm and consistency...
At the end of Rome, the romans lost their consistency and equilibrium of power between the senate way and the emperor way before barbarian incursions...This apply today...In banking and finance also and geopolitically alike...
A world famine now lurk at the horizon, a famine which is an artificial creation by the immaturity of humankind...
What is a poor? Someone who cannot eat or drink or work ...
For some years now the poors whom habit the world benefit less and less in this crisis time... An articicial inducely created crisis not by a global conspiration, but by the stupidity of a multiple numbers of egoistic conspirations like a serpent raise his head ...
Between chaos and a global totalitarian control, i wanted true democracy free from corporate lobbying of all kind... We dont have it in Canada at all, now less than ever...
And i dont see it anywhere now....Even the appearence of democracy are losing more and more ...Only subsist some degree of totalitarian fascism around the world...Fascism being a collusion between the corporations and state...
Possibly I am naive; I recall equipment that was out of my range from the time I was making minimum wage to now being a 1 percenter. In virtually every product there is segmentation. Maybe the difference is the mass marketers exited high end. But I have mass marketed receivers that are exceptional; so maybe they just decided the market for that final 2-3% wasn’t large enough to invest. Class warfare was difficult when I was poor; it’s equally disturbing now that I am not.
on the subject of banks- society needs normalization and consistency- or it is a free for all. No question things can favor the elites. But even the poorest have benefitted. I am living proof
I am naturally a skeptic. But was fortunate enough to go to a junior high school that also taught critical thinking. They made us find and read articles on the same subject from different papers and magazines and to evaluate the different viewpoints to assemble a “accurate” picture of reality. The differences in points of view helped ferrite the truth,
Some thing that has followed me through life. I took logic in college and became a scientist. My skepticism has remained… ferreting the truth. Living all over the world and understanding different points of view. I have to admit, I am pretty ashamed to be an American. As some as my European and Asian friends said, “Americans, some really smart people (fortunately me included in this group) and a whole lot of stupid ones.”. Unfortunately, true.
What was the original question of this discussion?
I do believe that high end audio equipment has escalated in price above the levels of inflation that we are seeing. A lot of the more expensive equipment is cutting edge and requires higher quality components and fabrication. Small runs cost more and the materials that are being used are more exotic than in the past. It only makes sense that these items would be escalating in price ahead of inflation.
Off topic. I absolutely believe they will need to start mining asteroids to acquire the minerals required to green the world economy. We cannot pull out the required resources from this planet without making it an even bigger environmental disaster.
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Please let me know if I can help you with the link feature they improved when Audiogon updated this site. IMO, linking long articles is a better option than loading up the thread pages with inserted articles. For example, here is a link to the Central Bank article you posted. Best regards.
Please let me know if I can help you with the link feature they improved when Audiogon updated this site. IMO, linking long articles is a better option than loading up the thread pages with inserted articles. For example, here is a link to the Central Bank article you posted. Best regards.
"Wait until the United States starts writing checks for $trillions to rebuild Ukraine. We will contribute 90% to rebuild Ukraine. We should send a bill to Russia. Perhaps tell Russia we will lift some of the sanctions if they pay to rebuild. As I see it, what does Ukraine have left after their buildings have been destroyed? We will pay 90% of the cost and allow our allies to take complete advantage of us.
What do the citizens of Ukraine have left to live in? How many years will they have to wait until they have a place to live? I think we need to send Putin the bill. If he doesn’t respond with action, then enforce even more sanctions."
larry5729, I’ll raise you one on that. I think the Ukraine War is really a conspiracy concocted by the Kremlin and the Pentagon. Both need to use up aging weapons system inventory and create an excuse to justify even more military spending (well, the Pentagon does at any rate). Why not start a little war in Central Europe, and test out some new toys while we are at it?
For the higher price of gear i dont give a damn...Speakers may cost less than a tuna can soon....This global crisis is not ended... 😁
A war or hyperinflation is our choice now , what else? Is this not the evident proposed PROGRAMMED alternatives in the news?
I myself will not upgrade and dont need to....
Acoustic COST peanuts... Only much fun time to tune a room...
Then dont look at inflated price of gear buy an acoustic book and begin experiments... No cost... I used junk material myself...And my low cost system is not so far way behind ANYTHING at ANY price i ever listened to, thanks to acoustic science...The greatest HUGE upgrade come from learning acoustic method not from a new speakers or dac or anything else in most case....
And dont vote for left or right corrupted politicians....Dont listen TV and dont read official news...Buy books....
😁😊
«House without books is a cavern with no windows»-Anonymus Smith
«I never buy books i borrow them from my friend»-Groucho Marx 🤓
I agree with just about everything that tsacremento @ said.
If I may add the following.
I got into audio - we called them stereos back then - when I was 14 years old, in 1968. That was a very good year to get into audio, imho.
As a high school freshman, I mowed lawns, shoveled snow, washed dishes at restaurants, painted homes, weeded gardens, etc whatever odd jobs I could find. With the money earned from that, I was able to save enough money to buy a Dyna 70 and Dyna PAS kit and build my own amplifier and preamp, buy speakers and a tuner from Lafayette Radio, and a Garard turntable with a Pickering Cartridge. The whole shebang set me back less than $300.
That setup held up through college. In my 20s, I upgraded to a Dual 129 table with a Stanton Cartridge, and a pair of Altec 604Cs.
In my 30s, I wanted to seriously upgrade, but the budget of an artsy fartsy such as myself didn’t really permit it, even though this was still the mid-80s when audio inflation had not really kicked in yet. I solved the problem by always buying second hand or floor demonstration models.
I think that it is since the 00s that audio inflation started to severely ramp up, in lockstep with the increasing wealth gap. I guess audio companies saw that they could get rich quick ’n easy with marketing gimmicks / shenanigans in the face of the law of diminishing returns, rather than serve a wider public. Speakers for $600K? Are those speakers really 100 times better than a pair costing $6K?
To that point, many of you have heard the anecdote that I am about to repeat, but I never tire of it, so here we go again.
A few years back, I was walking home from work. I pass by an audio shop window in NoHo, NYC and see a pair of floor-standing speakers whose size and scale looked suspiciously familiar. I go inside to take a look.
The salesman comes up almost immediately and asks if I have any questions. I ask if I could find an LP on the shop floor that I was familiar with and listen to it on the speakers. We find Kind of Blue By Miles Davis and listen to the first track.
The salesman asks what I think. I say they sound great. I then say that the speakers seem similar to the Altec 604C. He said that I was mistaken. I got up and went to one of them and said "You are right. They don’t seem similar. They are in fact the 604Cs. I know because I have a pair myself, and the drivers are (as I am pointing to one) identical to this".
So the salesman then goes onto explain how Shindo - the company that "made" these speakers - did yadda yadda with a unique crossover design and after a few minutes I say "They are not perhaps by any chance based on the Mastering Lab crossover that Doug Sachs made (allegedly for Bruce Botnick of the Doors)?"
So the salesman goes on yadda yadfda about the special cabinet and I cut him off and say "Yes, they are gorgeous, but cabinets are not rocket science. Clearly Shindo followed then same geometry that Altec specified, as the dimensions are identical to my own".
"So, what I would like to know is the following. You are asking $34K for these speakers, and while they sound a little different from mine and do sound great, they do not sound in any meaningfully way better than mine, and as I paid only $3,500 for my pair, they absolutely don’t sound 10 times better. Why should anyone pay anywhere near $33K for these?"
At this point, I have attracted the attention of other customers, and so I give him my business card with my email address and I conclude "I have to get home for dinner. Could you please contact Shindo, send them my question and ask them to send a reply to that email address? Thank you!".
I leave, shaking my head and wonder to myself: some Wall Street guy is gonna walk in there, not knowing how to spend his money, and buy the damn things.
The following week, I stop by. I have no response from Shindo. The speakers were sold.
Btw I subsequently learned that Shindo did in fact call them the 604 Alnico or something, so Shindo was not being entirely disingenuous. Why the salesperson did not share that information with me in the first place I do not know.
You can still buy on eBay the Altec 604C drivers for less than $2,000, the Mastering Lab crossovers for about $900, and have cabinets built for another $1,800, that’s less than $5K total.
Sigh.
As for thecarpathian @ attack on the audioguy85: I loathe what he said myself but do we have to go over the top with an attack? Just click the arrow in the upper right, click Report Comment, and hopefully the moderator will remove the offending comment.
And this very serious article will give to you the REASON why inflation tool are the main tool of central bank and their way to make the poor paying for the debt accumulated by the financial ponzi scheme of the rich people and the catastrophic politic of most politician corrupted by lobbies of big corporations .....
It is not Bill Gates who will pay for the hyperinflation crisis it is you and me...Thanks to the global Ponzi and fiscal evasion...
By the way this author is not neo nazi... Anti semitic? i dont know ... 😁😊
I will cite the conclusion :
«. It also makes clear that, once the mystique of the balance sheet is taken away, the choice facing a central bank during a crisis is a familiar one: to inflate or not.»
This one article about the PONZI financial global scheme did not come from the neo nazi either..
Educate yourself... The writer teach economy in London...
Then some MUST refrain themselves by ignorance to insult others members of this thread with neo-nazi or anti semitic scapegoating or strawman accusation here...
PONZI FINANCE AND GLOBAL LIQUIDITY MELTDOWN: LESSONS FROM MINSKY
Inflation and government over-spending is harming everyone. Even SpaceX had to raise their prices of a Falcon 9 launch from $62 million to $67 million. Fuel and shipping costs, raw materials, and of course labor (if you can find people to work) are all adding up to 7% (maybe more) inflation. I noted audio speakers jumped 20% at the first of the year, some by more.
It is the price of admission if you want to get the best you can for whatever budget you set.
The only good thing is that technology continues to improve. Speakers today at any price sound better than similarly valued speakers from 20 years ago. And integrated circuits, discrete components, etc., have a much higher quality as well.
So, at the end of the day, we live in whatever times we live in and made our choices based on price, performance, and our budgets. And we can hope some manufacturers will occasionally run a few "specials".
As others note in the high end, that may mean buying lightly used and well cared for products to get the most bang for your bucks.
I do hate it. I was all set to buy some new speakers instead of tackling the job of replacing the crossovers (capacitors) in my vintage ones, but now, that job is looking more palatable and more logical and saving the money for a better DAC.
The issue is not being framed correctly and is being viewed mainly from the point of view of the domestic market. But I remember reading an interview with a large cable manufacturer who said that some of his overseas distributors (e.g. Saudi Arabia, Singapore) asked him to introduce a new cable line priced significantly higher than his current flagship model, because they could sell that exclusivity.
The range of products and the range of prices differs significantly from brand to brand. How much they sell overseas and where they sell overseas varies significantly too. So it's best just to ignore the headline-grabbing nosebleed prices because they are not being pitched, and were never pitched, at the likes of you and me.
"When you’re in your early twenties, it is much easier to enjoy just about everything. It being Friday was reason enough to have a party and throw caution to the wind. Everything was funny. You had girlfriends who were also in their early twenties. Who at 70 wouldn’t want to be in that situation again?
Each to his/her own. I for one don't feel I enjoy music any less now than I did when I was in my twenties. As for all the raging hormones and emotional drama that go along with Nature's drive for procreation, I don't miss that either. I no longer have the energy to sustain such wildness/chaos and wouldn't choose to if I could. Ultimately I've found peace more beguiling.
Spent 3 weeks in Poland with my Ukrainian Jewish wife helping with refugees from her home land of Ukraine.
This same type of disinformation by Russia led to the invasion. You know the Ukrainian Neo Nazis that had over run the Government of a duly elected president that had 80% of the vote and is a Jew himself.
No bank are not a Ponzi scheme, yes there is corruption in the system, no it is not run by Jews, yes stereo gear can be expensive. And Governments do print money and often based on short term fixes for sagging economy's.
I recall the story of Idi Amin Dada the brutal dictator of Uganda being told by his Finance Minister that Uganda was Bankrupt, broke, had no money and Idi responded with "Well then print more money".
Sometimes I think the folks in DC subscribe to this financial model.
The media is perhaps responsible for this "print money" thing. It has been noted here that central banks do not actually "print" the currency you have. Each country has their own physical issuer of notes and coin. I think that it is the Treasury in America, which may contract the function out to a specialized outfit. Whatever, I dunno.
Central banks control (in theory, via a few methods) the money supply. Cash and coins are a very small fraction of the money supply, perhaps a single digit percentage of the total. Like anyone, I’d have to look it up (possibly on the Fed page somewhere I referenced previously, for America), and its included in what is known as the M1 part of the money supply.
"Sample gear, listen for yourself, and find the gear that speaks to you. Learn some acoustic and treat your room. And forget about what anyone else thinks.
I think you'll find that you can build a far better system, at a far more reasonable price, today (well, when the supply chain gets unfutzed) than in years past. So if you want "Hi End, sniff, sniff," yeah it's going up."
ghdprentice, right on. Economics and economic policy are difficult to understand thoroughly, and sometimes even appear counter-intuitive. And virtually every "simple" cause and effect is wrong. Suffice it to say that even the "pro's" like yourself get it wrong some of the time. But it sure helps to know what you are talking about!
I get that it is better, but it gives me no more joy than the first one.
When you’re in your early twenties, it is much easier to enjoy just about everything. It being Friday was reason enough to have a party and throw caution to the wind. Everything was funny. You had girlfriends who were also in their early twenties. Who at 70 wouldn’t want to be in that situation again?
When you’re 60 or 70 a lot of the things you enjoyed 50 years earlier are no longer possible. Putting together a good stereo and really enjoying listening to music is a good way to spend part of your later years. Trying to enjoy what you enjoyed when you were 20 would not end well.
If music doesn’t engage you, maybe something else will. Don’t waste time. You’re just about out of it.
Good hi fi has never been cheaper, esoteric hi fi has never been more expensive. It's the way all consumer goods are going, good practical clothes dirt cheap, brand name trainers made of the same material, in the same factory by the same people are well mental. Pay your money take your choice.
To return to the original premise of this thread, I would make a few observations. When I was young (early 20s) fifty years ago, I had a component system that was primarily a vinyl 2channel with a R2R as well. It was a time of great releases in the late 60s, early 70s. My cohort of friends loved music and thought my modest system at the time was terrific. We enjoyed the music, loud and often.
No one complained about room treatments or cabling. There was no worry about the soundstage, etc. We lived and reveled in the music. It was perhaps Mid Fi by the standards of the day. The cost was with the reach of my SGT when in the Army.
Fast forward to today. I own a reasonable system, probably the cost of a Honda Accord when it was assembled. Does it please me more than my first one? Not really. I get that it is better, but it gives me no more joy than the first one.
High end has become the quest for the last 2% of performance and those chasing often lose sight of the music in their quest. I would suggest that a satisfactory system can be assembled and enjoyed by the average person. To me, all the fuss is like watching a Ferrari owner and a Bentley owner argue about why their car is better.
For the financial guys here, marginal cost versus marginal return. High end is way too far out there for me on exorbitant cost versus very small returns.
No, and Pierpont -Morgan was a very kind uncontrolling man.... 😁😊
All other opinions are neo nazi one for sure....
And there is NO RELATION between the actual world health crisis and money and no relation at all with the three biggest financials corporations in the world...
Saying that is being a neo nazi.... I will not say it at all .....
Not all opinions are equal, especially opinions espoused by NeoNazis, skinheads and conspiracy theorists. I'm tired of reading these antisemitic, racist, conspiracy addled comments and sitting by as if they're normal conversations. They aren't. The FED is not some nefarious organization out to rule the universe.
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