Funny how streaming/digital still chases that analog benchmark.

Funny how manufacturers of streaming and digital gear continues to chase that elusive analog sound. I thought digital was better?

Before you all get your panties in a wad I enjoy both Digital and Analog but much rather listen to an analog source than digital.

So today I see  Innuos Introduces The PhoenixNET – A Network Switch For Audiophiles @ only $3500.00

Guess I do not see the point you can get superior sound for say $2500 or less with a decent turntable cartridge combo and phono stage. Hell Clear Audio has an all in one for $2500.

I just don’t get it and I do not care to either.
And there you have it. Proof positive that skychild is just upset that there is yet another thing if life skychild can't hold over the masses. When you reach puberty maybe come back to the adult table.
Audio2design .... analog is best. If you don't believe me then just ask me.

Skypunk play nice.... or relatively so.
lexx, I have little doubt my analog system, well system in general, in a purpose built room, with properly designed, and tuned acoustics, with a carefully set up signal chain, is quite a bit better than what you have, I have no delusions about its limitations. I have it as an access method to otherwise unavailable media. No more. No less.
Bro my room is suite and very far from purpose built. It sounds freaking awesome. Don't guess, come listen. You will do the nasty thing in your pants.

I have taken this thread to whole other level. You're welcome.
Yes, I am a douche. An analog douche who doesn't compare his system to others. I am the quintessential Irish douche who would open his home to anyone who loves audio no matter the format. I am the kind of douche that calls out other douches for their douchiness. 

If you aren't ready to put up, then shut up bro. I don't mean that in the friendly bro that I give to skypunk, but in the non Irish "you be a major douche bag with a stick up your ass" kind of bro". Seriously... you have never heard my system so how can you ASSUME yours sounds better than mine? For all I know you are listening to a dogs phallus scraping miserably against some worn ass vinyl. 

My drunken 2 cents, take it seriously because we Irish can hold our liquor.

Love you skypunk....lots of hugs from behind bro :-)
It's not superior, I just like, same way with RtR I hate most of the crap they recorded on RtR. I do have 3 that are wonderful. The Doors, Cream and Chet Atkins. The digital versions are better and higher quality playback.  I play the vinyl remaster of Chet Atkins vs my RtR vs The SACD.

Geez I like all three to tell the truth. BUT the digital through a 777ES or my server a simple Cocktail X40 with or without a Mac C2500 frontend.
It's better. No doubt about it either.

BUT oh yea there is a BIG ol BUT for me.. I'm waiting on a really good phono/tape preamp for direct head playback. My current vinyl rigs are OLD but very nice to listen to. Thorens TH124s/SME 3012/3009 (OLD)
and Russco.. and 303s with broadcast shure carts.

The RtR, I'm just setting down with it after 25 plus years. I'll check it out.
Tune it set the heads and bias. I went over the preamp boards, OLD stuff
5050 BII 2. I just need to wire it for direct head out.. 2 channel, I still have two months to wait on the darn preamp, CRAP.. 4 months now..

I'm playing back through hotroded C20 Macs with VERY nice phono and tape sections. WAY to much time for sure.. 10 years of tinkering..

I listen to more streaming than anything, then CDs, Vinyl, and tape 15 or 30 ips VERY good stuff. Is it BETTER? Sure better than live, recordings, most of those don't work out to well, for me. I like studio recordings.. The better the studio the better the music..FOR ME.

That why I brought up Chet Atkins.. That guy had some BIG chops....

I say if he were alive today, he'd be all over digital..YUP.. I still like my vinyl, and RtR, I like tinkering....

Oldhvymec .... never a truer word spoken. I wish that I  could afford r2r, but at 60 bucks a pop for tapes I just can't do it. My wee wife would string me up for sure.

I have always wanted a r2r deck, but the price of tape always held me back. I have to be satisfied with Dolby s cassette and hope for the best. Its a very pale comparison to r2r.

You are living the dream in my estimation my friend. Would love to hear your system some day.
Skychild you post pictures of a small resort common areas and call it your house. It's obvious zooming in. Maybe you have a condo there but that's not your house. Please join reality with the rest of us.
Audio2design did working for Broadcom make you this much of a douche or were you always this way? I was with you on the network switch thing but bud you have some personality issues here. Does the internet make you bold and brazen or are you like this in real life?

You are getting ME confused with Audio2design.....
I did not say anything
No, directed at audio2design.

I want to hear your r2r setup because it may be the only time I get to hear one that is properly set up. I have nothing but props for you bro. Do you have an Otari deck? You mentioned a 5050, so thats what came to mind. How much refurb did you have to do on it?

I have a real problem with those that poke at how/where others live. Audio2design did that. My house isn't grand by any means, but it's mine. It needs more work, but I am doing the best that I can. I am spending my life's savings on redoing my kitchen so it will be presentable when people come over. So when someone like audio2design calls out someone about where they live, it really ticks me off.

It had NOTHING to do with you bro. Nothing at all. I honestly DO want to hear your system. Digital or analog. You are rocking r2r and for me that is a fantasy/desire of mine and I give you props for it in a major way. I honestly admire you.


Having some self-restraint will not give you negative points.
Ok Lady’s and Gent’s, let’s be of good cheer. I assure ALL of you I can be the BIGGEST ass of all.. Really I can.. BUT we’re having way to much fun here.. Everyone is getting mixed up on who is talkin’ to who, and AND I’m gettin’ all emotional about this.. snellville, snellville.

NO HUGS EITHER.. Keep your hands to yourself.

Unless you mean it, and I ain't wearing no body suit, FIRST.. :-) can play dress up..

Wow... I actually made it through this entire thread. Quite amusing I must say! Lots of back hugs and douches... NOW THAT IS A PARTY!! As to the actual topic? F!ck it... it really doesn’t matter!
Except  for audio2design for freaking on where someone lives. That ticks me off more than a 777 breaking up over  a subdivision.
Actually I don't care. Too drunk to care unless you freak on where someone lives the`it'll be on you like white on rice.... or
He freaked on where somewhere somewhere somewhere someone lived.  He is a douche nozzle. Not the douce proper, but just the nozzle.
"...for freaking on where someone lives.’
It is not about where someone lives. It is about admiring architecture. I am all into landscaping (not doing it myself, but admiring it myself) so I do see some trendsetting on those pictures. It looks like a warning sign in someone’s front yard.

The last time I saw something like that it read "Keep out! Minefield!" I am not even joking. Neither were they.
Glupso  up to this point I liked you, but now I wouldn't give you you a hug from behind...lo.

" I wouldn't give you you a hug from behind... "

I guess I do get lucky at times.
I love this forum. You are all good people, except audio2design, and I don't care what audio format you listen to. You are passionate about it and that is what counts. For me.... its analog all the way, but I can respect you other guys, no matter how misguided you seriously I really respect you guys except analog2design....he got personal.

All I'm saying unless you are into
"I really honestly want to hear a r2r setup before I die."
I think audio2design may have one.
Anyone seen this?:

Seems experienced listeners can tell when they are hearing a 13 bit digital stream or the straight through analogue path:
@bluemoondriver, the test was in 1984 and the conclusions were:

In summary, then, no evidence was provided by Tiefenbrun during this series of tests that indicates ability to identify reliably:

(a)  the presence of an undriven transducer in the room,
(b)  the presence of the Sony PCM-F1 digital processor in the audio chain, or
(c)  the presence of the relay contacts of the A/B/X switchbox in the circuit.

Is that why Linn did eventually start making digital equipment?

Or was it money?

lexx2157 posts02-27-2021 1:34amExcept for audio2design for freaking on where someone lives. That ticks me off more than a 777 breaking up over a subdivision.

Could not care where he/she lives. I do care when someone lies and starts threads like this to create just the attitude you developed Lexx. Skypunk has just used you as a tool to troll lexx. That is who you should be angry with.

You don't need an R-R. Get a 24/192 recording of R-R and playback on an accurate DAC which does not have to cost an arm and a leg. Benchmark DAC2/3, Qutest will work. I was not kidding w.r.t. that low cost Chinese DAC (some, not all). That digital recording of R-R played on that low cost DAC will be far closer to R-R than any Vinyl will be no matter the cost.
Wow you all had a great night.

time to kill this thread.

@glupson is was purely €€€€€€€££££££££$$$$$$$ for Linn that is why they are in the business. 
when all of you guys are done insulting each other I would be interested in your live streaming experiences which is certainly nothing you can do via LP or CD.
I myself have been enjoying both Smalls jazz club live streams as well as the Met opera live. I think the pandemic has given birth to a whole new interest in live online.
That was an unfortunate typo of mine. “Can’t”, not “can”, of course. Thanks Audio2 for the gentle correction. 
I found the best part of the experiment that thing about a digital watch. If that really played the role, it would be time for live music only.
I think the pandemic has given birth to a whole new interest in live online.

@mrbobm  you are right. Done 1 the DSO here a couple weeks back. Enjoyed it. 
Still would rather be there. 
I’m going to say this once more. Whenever I see/hear someone talk about surface noise, pops & clicks, etc, I KNOW they have NEVER heard a good vinyl setup.