Funny how streaming/digital still chases that analog benchmark.

Checking out your old thread skypunk?

lexx21,

"Not I. No multiple accounts here."

Your parents gave you very unusual name then. I am afraid to ask why did audio2design's parents chose his.

"fake username"

Are thyname, millercarbon, firstonetallguy, mrbobm, and skypunk real names? (that is just from this page, but could be the list from any)

I though most everybody here is under the fake name.

I found the best part of the experiment that thing about a digital watch. If that really played the role, it would be time for live music only.

Is that why Linn did eventually start making digital equipment?

Or was it money?

"I really honestly want to hear a r2r setup before I die."

I think audio2design may have one.

lexx21,

"...now I wouldn't give you you a hug from behind... "

I guess I do get lucky at times.

"...for freaking on where someone lives.’

It is not about where someone lives. It is about admiring architecture. I am all into landscaping (not doing it myself, but admiring it myself) so I do see some trendsetting on those pictures. It looks like a warning sign in someone’s front yard.

The last time I saw something like that it read "Keep out! Minefield!" I am not even joking. Neither were they.

skypunk,

Having some self-restraint will not give you negative points.

lexx21,

I should blame skypunk for starting this thread a year too late. I was in Durham about this time last year, right before this epidemic in the U.S.A. started. I would have stopped for a listen for sure, but you would not want me to help you with the boardwalk and kitchen. I am as remote from woodworking as it gets. I could clean the mess.

lexx21,

Thanks for the offer although I do not know where you are located.

I am aware of analog (mostly vinyl in my case) as I have bought more records than CDs over the last, let's say, year. In another thread, I bought one of those White Hot Stampers and am awaiting delivery. I have very pedestrian set-up and am aware that better things sound better. I have heard some.

I am not sure what made me appear as whatever I appear as, but I got involved in this particular thread at the point of "analog is standard". That I do disagree with as virtually everything these days is, and has been for quite a while, digital. I have not even remotely attempted to claim which one is "better" (analog vs. digital) except maybe the point that everyone seems to agree with anyway (digital is way more convenient). I do not think I mentioned even that advantage here yet.

Even the part about record collections being worthless was response to "they are investment" and was only regarding that statement. It had nothing to do with "analog vs. digital quality" tug of war. That war is not interesting to me. Thinking about why someone would market their digital product as "like analog" does spark my curiosity. The answer may be more than "because analog sounds better". To me, my favorite songs sound better on SW, or at least MW, radio. At least they did while they could still be heard there.

Again, thanks for the offer.

has2be,

I am just trying to help you stop your incomprehensible ramblings. You can continue insulting me all you want, but it does not look good.

"...here is nothing better than streaming obscure songs of my youth effortlessly (Dr. Hook and the medicine show anyone?)"

Are you saying that you do not already have Dr. Hook CD?

Going back to the topic.

Some digital may attempt to emulate the sound of analog/vinyl. That is digital aimed at certain demographics. A little past their prime, who grew up listening to records, currently have enough disposable income to be extracted from them under the "sounds like analog" idea, and maybe a few more determinants. That seems like a wise and very common business approach. Give people what they want. Just check all the "extra bass" signs on earphones.

The rest of digital, I suspect, is perfectly content being digital and better and better as time goes by. It does not chase dreams of the times past.

It may be that, as the number of people enamored with the sound of records decreases due to natural forces, in relatively near future nobody would think of attempting to make anything sound like a record, much less to advertise it that way.

has2be,

I am not sure if you have noticed it, but you have been insulting me in virtually every post you have posted and multiple times in each of those posts. It does not look good. Do not embarass your grandchildren.

"So what amazingly produced music are 17 year olds listening to these days....Since you seem to know...."

I did not mention amazingly produced music. I was mentioning the possibility that the sound the age group you implied is clueless listens to may be better than what you listened to when you were 17.

"...or just so in tune you beleive your above us all...."

I do not think I am above all of you, not at all. However, you are making me reconsider such thoughts when applied to some.

has2be,

"... obviously you don’t have the ability or patience to do or comprehend. .."

!!!

... insults don’t quite do that..right...

Well said.

By the way, I am aware that vinyl/analog has improved over the last century, or so. Not much, over the last 40 years, I am afraid. I may be wrong.

At the same time, earphones have gone through tremendous improvements. What clueless 17-year-olds are listening to via their earphones may be way better than what you listened to when you were 17.

chakster,

I am well aware that it is possible to sell a record for a lots of money in February 2021. That is why I mentioned it may be time to sell it now. While there is still someone who wants to buy it. Of course, if you start a little business by buying and selling, the story is different. It may be lucrative, I guess. If you are only owning records and looking at them at home thinking how it was an investment, you may be fooling yourself. They are worth nothing (in monetary terms). You would need to pay someone to lug them to the junkyard, they are heavy. I am not even sure if they can, at least, be recycled. Unless you sell all those precious records, they are of perceived, but never materialized, monetary value only to you. To the rest of the world they are trash do be dealt with some day.

Check oregonpapa’s posts along similar lines on another thread (I think it is "Better Records thread"). He has what seems to be an enviable collection along the lines you are implying. He does not know what will happen to it some day. His descendants have no interest in it.

What can we do? Not much, progress marches on and we are left behind with our little fantasies.

Or, you can read mrbobm’s post above more than once. He made it very clear.

Even he decided to go digital...

Willie Nelson, Sister Bobbie - Who'll Buy My Memories (Digital video) - YouTube

Sadly, it seems it has never been released on an LP, only CDs...

Who’ll Buy My Memories? Vol. 1 (The IRS Tapes) | Discogs

has2be,

It may be the age difference between us that makes your posts logically incomprehensible. It is my fault for trying to understand them.

Your choice of a CD player is impressive, but has2be a little inconvenient when going around town. Being younger, I mostly use earphones.

"It’s like a piece of art (original) versus digital print (a copy)."

You are aware that some of the "originals" were made in millions of samples? Could we call them "copies"?

"Records have value, and prices goes up in time for rare stuff, people with quality records are rich in a good way. It’s an investment."

That is true, but you have to sell it.

While investing in it, you may need to consider the market size for that rare stuff. There is a possibility that, as people age, there is less and less potential buyers of high-priced rarities.

If you do not sell it just at the right moment, at least while you are still alive, you may lose a large portion of your investment. As record collectors near the end their own life cycle, or cross over into eternity, more of the rare records may come to the market. Having less buyers and more rare records to be sold may not increase the price.

In short, if you want to get rich on records, sell them now.

If you are collecting them just to collect them because that is what makes you feel good, bring them on. Just do not convince yourself that you have something immensely valuable. No matter how rare your record collection is, you are not collecting dividends on them while you are staring at them at home.

"The standard has, for decades now, been digital. 17-year-olds do not even know what you are talking about."

.............

That’s hilarious. Kind of proves the point that analog is the standard digital attempts to copy.... flattery as its known.....

Something is wrong with this explanation. It has2be.

"But here is reality....most 17 year olds don’t know wt_ they are talking about let alone understand any of us.... head down face in the phone with ear buds on.....yeah ok....."

Maybe they would understand older people better....if older people made sense.

"Vinyl advocates should just admit it - they are chasing the memory of sound they grew up with..."

You said it! (and I agree with it)

skypunk,

Veggie burger is fine. Of course, I remove tomato.

I came across a number of children over the years, but those inflatable devices were not popular when I was growing up. We had to learn how to swim independently by the age of 4, or so.

skypunk,

Thanks for invitation, but I do not eat meat. I will have to check what water wings are.

EDIT: Thanks to the Internet, I figured out what water wings are. No need for them. I am yet to meet a wading pool I cannot stand in. Yours does not seem to be unusually deep.

"Funny thing is that nearly every review I read on DACS, etc is how close they sound to analog."

Could it be because people writing reviews are different crowd/demographics than most of the music listeners out there? They want what they decided it should be, not necessarily what is "better". People outside of this very small group of "audiophiles" cannot care less for analog sound.

"...the shallow end of the pool, you know the end you hang out in."

This one?

skypunk's System rev 4 - Virtual Systems (audiogon.com)

skypunk,

"I was conversing with another member and not you."

You were doing it in an open Internet forum. Expect it to be read.

How does a person with so much expertise in bearings succeed to be unbearable? It must be hard work.

skypunk,

You are an amazing man.

Is bragging on an Internet audio forum about provenance of parts for military equipment acceptable, or is it considered at least slightly silly?

Have you ever considered hitching a ride on a Mars rover?

skypunk,

Classy gentleman as always.

By the way, you accidentally posted a picture of the wading pool among pictures of your system.

lexx21,

The statement was that "the standard is analog", it was not about quality (which gets debated ad nauseam anyways). Prevailing standard has been digital for a while. What is better is another topic.

"Joke all you want, you know it's true, the standard is analog."

Hanging out with stuffy old people much?

The standard has, for decades now, been digital. 17-year-olds do not even know what you are talking about.