Just a follow up... I ended up getting a good deal on the Focal Sopra 1s. They are really good! Love them. I plan on getting Sopra 2's in the future also. The Sopra 1s are so good I don't really need Sopra 2s. However, I am curious and wonder about that full tower sound would be like also.
Focal Sopra 1 Bookshelves (with subs) or Focal Kanta 2s towers instead?
I am having trouble deciding between Sopra 1 speakers and the Kanta 2 towers by Focal. I heard them both in the store using a MacIntosh 12000. I currently have a Yamaha AS-3200 amp but I will eventually be buying the MacIntosh 12000 also. All new equipment and not used.
The room these will live in is about 300 square feet... like a 13 x 26 foot shoe box design. The room is untreated and I do not plan on treating the room or using room correction software. I have no interest in that.
I love the imaging and separation of the Sopra 1s. But I also love the warmth and low mids that the Kanta 2 speakers give. If I was to get the Sopra 1s, I would get 2 REL 510 subs with it.
Any opinions, please on if I should get the Sopra 1s or Kanta 2s?
Side note: I am not considering anything else... I like Focal/McIntosh set up I heard at the store and sticking with it.
Not yet, coming next week. Here's an article about "imaging" that might be of interest. I listened to many speakers and as close to my amp as possible. One focus for me was origin of manufacture. Focal - 100% France. B&W - UK, but only the 800 Series. Want nothing to with China 700 level and below. Listened to Sopra 2s also, amazing, too big, beyond my price point, Harbeth, ProAcs, Spendor, Fyne...Considered the B&W 804, of course, but the styling oddly is dated to me. Kanta 2 fit the quality, style, size and sound. Good luck, you can't lose with either. |
@georgeblue9 oh wow, have you already done this yet? If so, are you happier with the towers? Do you miss the superior imaging the bookshelves have over towers? |
@mfili35 Here is the Focal 2s from Sound Sommelier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYNFLI9vMiE @jeffreyw @mfili35 I looked at the Kanta 3s and the Sopra 2s, but the Focal website gives room measurements and basically said my room was to small for them to operate at their fullest potential.
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I don't like the idea of using the sub I like a full range speaker I would skip over the Kanta 2 and get the 3 because that is the best one.. I don't know where you heard warmth from The 2 as there are people on here complaining about the piercing high notes. I also saw a review on YouTube with pros that claimed they couldn't live with the sibilance from the Kanta 2. Check out "Sound Somalia" on YouTube with a good set of headphones. That'll keep you busy auditioning speakers.. he tests and sells lot of Focals, along with other premium speakers but hasn't demoed Kantas.. that should tell you something when you can't find tests on the speaker it's because it's not a good sounding speaker .same went for the 936 K2 there's only a few demos and none of them sound good..I have had my heart set on Sopra 3s but think some of the Sonus Fabers are even better |
I don't like the idea of using the sub I like a full range speaker I would skip over the Kanta 2 and get the 3 because that is the best one.. I don't know where you heard warmth from The 2 as there are people on here complaining about the piercing high notes. I also saw a review on YouTube with pros that claimed they couldn't live with the sibilance from the Kanta 2. Check out "Sound Somalia" on YouTube with a good set of headphones. That'll keep you busy auditioning speakers.. he tests and sells lot of Focals, along with other premium speakers but hasn't demoed Kantas.. that should tell you something when you can't find tests on the speaker it's because it's not a good sounding speaker .same went for the 936 K2 there's only a few demos and none of them sound good..I have had my heart set on Sopra 3s but think some of the Sonus Fabers are even better |
+1 @jeffreyw Lot of Focal threads lately. I have Focal Electra 1007 Be standmounts, and I am a huge fan of 2 way speakers which disappear and image like a mofo .The specs are virtually identical to the Sopra 1s, but the latter are undoubtedly better with a tilted baffle leading to better time alignment. Get the Sopra 1’s and subs. Yes, larger footprint — but will be so worth it. I am a huge fan of Focal — but not so much the Kanta collection. While I get they want to use a local and sustainable source for the Kanta drivers (flax), to my ears they sound sterile and thin and don’t produce the emotion of what the artist intended. |
Nice looking room, nice kit, but until you provide some attention to room acoustics, you'll never approach a small fraction of what either setup is capable. Properly done and integrated into the room design, acoustical treatments aren't just ugly slabs hanging from the wall. That said, I'd go with floorstanders because most stand mounts are voiced for near field listening in a small room, and that would be doubly problematic in your room both due to size and the very ... lively ... acoustics. |
Another vote for Sopra 1s. The Kantas are very good speakers, but the Sopra offers soundstage and imaging that the Kanta line simply will not offer. The Sopra tweeter is very good, and the Sopra woofer is very well matched to it. The only thing missing is a teensy bit of midrange clarity and the very low bass response that subwoofers will provide. Something else to consider: The Sopra 1 will sound better at moderate volume levels. |
Speaker to speaker without subs, the Kantas might be more pleasing because of the bass response. However, the Sopra's will be more accurate. When you add dual subs, then the magic begins with the Sopras (assuming everything is dialed in). Since your likes are 90s pop, I would think that the subs would add some "pop" to the presentation. I'm not sure if you have auditioned a system with subs integrated properly, but it can be a jaw-dropping experience when the subs are turned off/on. It also comes down to budget; the Kantas may be a better bargain because of the frequency response; however, in time, the upgrade bug might kick in for a little more accuracy (for jazz and classical), which the Sopras would provide from the start. Interestingly enough, I have a pair of KEF Reference 1 Metas powered by a pair of McIntosh MC611s. The bass response I get out of these little guys could fool someone that I have a sub. My prior amp was a Luxman 590AXII. The KEFs ate up that integrated because of their difficulty to drive. I had absolutely no bass whatsoever, and this was confirmed as a horrible match by a dealer of both. The McIntosh integrated with the Sopras will surprise you. That would be a good place to start, then add the subs! |
@jeffreyw Thanks! But what about those low mids that Kantas 2 have? Won't the Sopra 1s be missing them? |
Sopra 1s with dual REL subs will smoke a pair of Kantas. Focal's are bright, and the McIntosh would be a nice combo. Luxman is pretty neutral or a tad south of neutral. The presentation from both integrateds would be quite different. Class A will not give the bass response that the McIntosh would. Been there and done that!
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Thanks! This is my living room (please see link below for photo). I will be replacing the speakers you see with the green arrows. I typically listen to the music on the couch where you see the X. I know it’s not the ideal position for a audiophile, but it suits me good. Because of the acoustics of the room, I can still get a good holographic image sitting there. I listen to all music types: 2) Electronic dance music (Yamaha 3200 amp) 3) 90s pop and alternative (like Dinosaur JR which is guitar music) (Yamaha 3200 amp). 4) Colombian music (Luxman class A amp) 5) Classical music (Yamaha 3200 amp). Electronic dance music and 90’s pop/alternative music is what I listen to the majority of the time. Please let me know what you think. Also, just a reminder please it has to be between these 2 focal speakers sets. I am not looking at any other brands. ^^^ |