Dynaudio - Made in China vs Denmark

Never said they did not, many on that list are not manufacturing in China for US consumption. Facts  Fact.   You should read the book, The World Is Flat.

For Auto Zone.

Tons of automotive parts for US markets are made in China

Enjoy your day.

jerry, if you bothered to (again) read the header before the list, it states that some products as well as lots of products made in China are for US consumption. US companies relocated there for the lax pollution standards and lower wages. Have you deliberately ignored that since the '80s and '90s?

Tons of automotive parts for US markets are made in China. Finding a few examples of an entire car being made there, for sale here, doesn't invalidate what the list states. And that's just the car market. Your both nit picking and off on one of your tangents again.

Name the two EVs imported here and the amount of the tariff assessed for reasons of anti dumping, and not just spout your "facts". And, keep in mind the two are connected (by you) so don't leave out the amount of tariff. Why is it you can't admit that US companies are operating out of China, making tons of products for US consumption, and have been for decades.

Turning a blind eye to this fact speaks volumes about your reluctance to admit that US companies sold out regular Americans for a buck.

By the way, I love your admonishments. They're so parochial.

All the best,
Nonoise

Oh and this is utter rubbish also noise.

How is an American product made in China and sold in the US. COO is exactly that.

You should put this on your reading list along with the Canadian Socialist. 

 companies listed have American products sold here, made there.

No not at all noise it is that your post is wrong period.

AIG only invests in the fastest market in the world and exports NOTHING.

GM is in China for the DOMESTIC Chinese market 99% of GM China sales is domestic (pacific rim). They export 2 model to the US and they are both EV with very very low sales in the US, Again anti dumping laws supported by GM and Ford.

Ford again the same business model as GM and only imported 1 model from China to the US and that was very low volume Ford Focus. Ford Exports over $900m a year in parts from the US to China and GM and Ford do not make any parts they are only assemblers. This is great for companies like Bosch, Delphi, Borg Warner, Timken, SKF.....

So I could spend hours picking your list of internet BS apart but I have work to do, yes I am back to work. Not fully recovered but enough to do analytics for now.

Do some real research other than the google search.

So it's the old "fake news" argument, jerry? If it doesn't conform with your "alternative facts" world, then just dismiss it? 

Darn it! I forgot I was talking to a cultist.

All the best,
Nonoise

Not true nonoise. But then again if it is on the internet it is true. Go ahead and believe that.

Supply chain issue is not nesscessily a quality issue but cost-issue.

reason why you receive a Made in China pair of speaker while you are still asking for a made in denmark thing? 

why you receive not a made in denmark thing? obviously that your cash paid is not enough for a made in denmark. but deep in your heart you are longing for a demmark thing?

so why not return your pair and pay more for the real made in denmark thing? but before you return, ask your self, did your dealer promise your product is made in danish?

by the way, as in previous post, one day when you find your denmark brand speaker come from vienam or india, then you will miss MIC made in China. 

China makes great things now and look around your life, it is not that Made in China not good. but that your buy cheaper Made in China thing and it look so not good.

pay more to test some very high end of China things before you buy made in india or made in cambolia. 

this is in a very not short years. 

jerry, that is a very long list of companies that only represents about 1% of American companies doing business (having factories there for our consumption). If you had simply read the header (the stuff before the list) you’d see that these companies produce there for consumption, here. That's the reason for the list.

They are fully capable of running parallel lines of products and use pre made labeling for intended markets. It’s common practice.

Half of all industrial goods enter out country duty free with an average tariff rate of only 2%. We can charge anywhere from 0% to 550% tariff on goods to discourage dumping practices. It’s just not done that much since it’s relatively easy to know if a country is selling it’s products here for less than they charge for their own market.

What you don’t seem to grasp is that it is American companies using Chinese labor and lax pollution standards to make products for our use. You really need to lose the red, white and blue colored glasses.

All the best,
Nonoise

Nope wrong as usual. Several of those companies have plants in China to make products strictly for domestic consumption. Your liberal anti capitalism brain can’t get past the facts.

For several of those companies there are 93% terrify on their products due to Anti Dumping laws so there is zero cost benefit to manufacturing in China and exporting to the US. 

No hate you are just wrong. Love it when the know it all knows nothing about the subject he posted. 
 

Have a nice evening.

Looks like jerry's got his wires crossed, as usual. Those companies listed have American products sold here, made there. And yes, there is an audience of buyers there as well.

I can already tell u these r really, really good speakers.  But, divert your eyes as they r only half dressed…

Taking delivery 2morrow.  A month on the boat, 2morrow to the door.

comparisons?  My Brit 1SC ProAc’s, Mystere PA11/Denafrips Hyperion, Athena preamp, Benchmarck Dac3/SMSL VMV D2, Rotel Tribute CD player, VPI turntable, Bobs Sky, Dynavector.  Some, Elacs, Zu’s, Castels, Daedalus, ADS, Kef, ect… about the house.  $1500 + shipping.  Dyn drivers, premium crossovers, hdmi construction, go figure…  Yamaha AS amp, Nakamichi cassette, 3 dedicated lines, Rel sub.  Current system sounds better than a 50k stack I had getting into this hobby years ago.

oh, I gotta crazy purple Klein Rascal n cherry condition hanging on my bike rack too!  Enjoyed the read, but growing up outside Detroit I’ll take ‘quality’ where I find it.  Nothing stays the same, nor should it.

tnvol1954

You sure seem like a class act! Blaming democrats for bringing politics into the discussion while making no attempt to hide your own nasty bias and views about the current president. I would welcome the day when someone like you is not able to afford any of the stuff listed here.

Here is my take on made in China. Though we would love to have everything made in Denmark or the United States or any free country, companies continue to have a communist adversary to build everything you can imagine. Here is the deal. How closely the parent company on quality control and if their specifications are being followed?. I own a Primaluna integrated built in China. The workmanship inside (I looked), and out is flawless. The sound is Amazing. I built my DYI speakers with a woofer made in China. Most are made there anyway. Rubber surround, woven carbon fiber, and very good. I do not believe normally quality control in China is reliable as free countries. But if they stay on spec, they do very well.

If having a non free country making your speakers bother you, I suggest you get the Denmark ones. But the ones you have I bet will sound great.

In the 1950s and early 60s, anything made in Japan was generally considered to be junk (and some of it was). As others on this thread have said, the branding company's profit margin is usually the biggest determining factor in the quality of the product. Chinese manufacturing facilities are equal to anything that the US has to offer (or probably any other country). Still, it is hard to shake that 'Made In China' stigma that many people have a hard time overcoming.

Looks like jerry's got his wires crossed, as usual. Those companies listed have American products sold here, made there. And yes, there is an audience of buyers there as well. It isn't one way or the other: it's both ways being done at the same time with it being very, very easy to build for both intended audiences in the same plant. 

As for quoting me, did it go over your addled head that I was referencing a British made product that the person who mentioned it, has (the 1979 Tannoy made in London)?

All the best,
Nonoise

It is in your head and you will always wonder. Who would want that hanging over their head? It is difficult to shake those thoughts. I would say my self the eventual stress and ask for the switch. 

It is hard to know the quality.  Having some experience, some companies set up their own factory and train the workers and buy good equipment for their chinese factories with serious quality control and IMO, those products can be just as good if not better then products produced elsewhere.  In other cases, the company reps will simply travel to the area of china that makes speakers and contract with a third party company to build speakers to some level of specification and leave the quality control to them, and even the design in some instances.  Dyn is a great company but we have all had great brand names make some poor products in china.  It is very hard to know.  Can you find reviews of the Chinese product or see it/listen to it first.  I feel like this is like any product, read, listen, inspect the actual product yourself.  Good luck.  

America also dude.

Also your MIC list is BS as many of those companies are manufacturing in China for Chinese Domestic Market Only. Their are anti dumping laws that prevent many of those companies from exporting to the US. 

Must have been made on a Monday. Like British cars from those times, the employees were working off their hangovers from the weekend.

Do it for re-sale value. MID is perceived to be better than MIC…..otherwise your dealer would be demoing the MIC speakers in their showroom.

Well, those speakers made in China subsidized the pricing and increased the profit margins you paid for those made in Denmark so you should have asked for a discount as well.

All the best,
Nonoise

Personally, I'd return them. I recently bought the Evoke 20 speakers and mine are manufactured in Denmark. I refuse to pay the inflated prices that companies are charging for product coming out of China (whenever I can). I specifically searched for non-China speakers.

I recommend not buying "floor models", especially with speakers, as they typically have had a "hard life" and a lot of hours on them for their age.

For the last 20+ years, components for all sorts of products have been "globally sourced", so it's likely that the "Made in Denmark" label refers to where the final assembly took place.

Having said all of that, do what makes you happiest!

To Bill K.  Commended for what everyone and there mother knows that audio from china is 9 times out of ten a inferior less quality product those people take no pride in what they make  it’s always been that way.  Tahquitz

Gotta love the sane, reasoned arguments posted here with the occasional xenophobic responses peppered in for good measure, as if they just skimmed past what makes sense so their heads wouldn't explode.

All the best,
Nonoise

Is it fair to automatically assume everything made in China is sub par quality?

IMO, no. Seems to me, China today is roughly where Japan was in the 60s and early 70s. "Made in Japan" rather quickly went from meaning "cheap junk" (plastic toys and flip flops) to being a standard of excellence in engineering and manufacturing. Likewise, China is producing much more than cheap T shirts and sneakers these days. Some Chinese HiFi products (especially streamers and DACs) are about as good as (or better than) anything on the market, unless you get into ultra high end stuff. Have a look at Lumin products for example. Actually, Lumin is veering into ultra high end (depending on we define that).

I don't know about Made in China loudspeakers, but wouldn't automatically assume they're inferior. Just try to verify there is decent after-sale service/support for wherever you live,  Loudspeakers are challenging just by virtue of size/weight compared to rack components.

You observed that the dealers pair were made in Denmark. So you naturally thought you were purchasing a made in Denmark pair of speakers. It’s not your responsibility to know that Dynaudio had switched their production to China. Dealers should receive build updates directly from the manufacturer to ensure consumers know where their products are being made!

Classic bait and switch! The dealer should have emphasized you’d be getting a pair made in China. 
 

He didn’t!

Return them!

Hey, our most popular antibiotics are made (mostly) in China, thank heavens. And since they make most everything else electronic, why get excited and become racists now? Besides, the people from China that sell us things are nice folks.
 

We almost shot ourselves in the foot with the whole America First conspiracy, thank goodness we reeled that back in.

Relax boys, we got’m right where we want them.

Well if Rockport ever takes their manufacturing to China then we know the end is near! 

I believe that the quality of Chinese built electronics is just as good most likely, and there's not much we can do about the shift of manufacturing to China, but I just think many of us are just unsettled knowing that they are plotting our future demise, whether or not they're successful.  

Owned many Parasound Halo products over the years, and never one issue with any of them.  Designed in the USA, made in China.  That should squash anyones quality difference issue. For contrast, I have owned PS Audio BHK (300 monos, pre, DAC etc), designed and made in Merica.  2 bad mono amps, failure with a P20, and a sprout that had to be returned for repair.  Dogshit quality, and will never buy again from that “Made in America” stamped company.

I am sure that there are lots of audiophiles who care about bicycles, especially about the “feel” of the frames. I bet there’s a correlation between tube lovers and those who prefer steel and titanium frames. I ride a lugged steel Eddy Merckx, a titanium Litespeed Pisgah (bought just after the Lynsky’s sold the business), and a made in America Niner RLT Steel gravel bike. I owned an early carbon framed Trek mountain bike (and cracked the frame); it felt way too “solid state” to me!

I also deal a lot with China professionally. Individually, some of the finest friends anyone could ever want, humans are similar everywhere, but the societal culture is quite different from here. A handshake agreement in business is not the same as it is here or in Europe. Thus, I have basic concerns about quality control and standing behind a manufactured product, and is the reason that I prefer to buy from companies with tradition and commitment.

My, there is a tremendous amount of misinformation up here.  I’ll start by identifying myself as someone who works for a Dynaudio dealer.  So let’s start with a few facts.  Yes, Dynaudio is now primarily owned by the Chinese.  So are any number of brands considered North American and European.  Dynaudio products are all designed in Denmark by Dynaudio engineers in one of the largest research facilities in Europe with a very advanced anechoic chamber for testing.  Design of all their products is done there by the same engineering group.  They have transitioned the manufacture of some of their more moderately priced products to China in order to remain competitive with the rest of the market.  Who is the rest of the market?  Virtually everyone selling in the moderate price ranges, with a few exceptions.  Bowers and Wilkins speakers in the 600 and 700 series are made in China, I believe the 800 series are still made in the UK.  All the PSB speakers we have in here (Imagine and Image series) are made in China,  many or the Paradigm speakers and Sonus Faber speakers we used to carry are made in China, etc., etc.  As for Dynaudio the Confidence, Contour, Special Forty and Heritage speakers are all made in Denmark.  The entry level Emits are made in China and at least the bookshelf Evokes are made in China.  The floor standing Evokes we have on the floor are made in Denmark but for all I know they may be transitioning them to China as well.  Does this signal a slip in quality?  Certainly not that we have seen.  The Evoke is substantially more musical than the series it replaced.  So much so that the I version of the Contour was partly inspired by needing to keep them musically well above the new Evokes.  The new Emits are a huge improvement over the last Emit series and are also more substantially built. The early Evoke bookshelf speakers were from Denmark.  One of my customers bought a pair and his came from China.  Like the OP he wasn’t happy with this change, which we weren’t aware of, so we swapped our demos for his pair and, as they were both the same finish, he is a happy camper.  There was no physical nor audible difference between the made in Denmark and the made in China pair as they were engineered identically and are made to the same standards. 

As mentioned by some others if you want to be biased against made in China stuff you might as well move to the forest and give up electronics (that includes appliances).  Certainly don’t go into a WalMart.  Most appliances from familiar US names are made in China if not actually owned by Chinese companies.  And the companies many think of as American Hi-Fi manufactures are also often owned by overseas companies.  Nowadays, with computers at the heart of cars, appliances and numerous other devices you would be hard pressed to find anything with electronics in it without some Chinese parts.  Not to mention that US, Canadian and European companies have been having high-quality yet moderately priced equipment manufactured in China for decades with many award winners among the products.  NAD and Bluesound (Canadian) and Cambridge Audio (UK) are two quite prominent ones.

The idea that the OP receiving speakers made in China when he thought there were from Denmark being ‘Bait and Switch” is ludicrous on a couple of counts.  Most importantly the dealer is not told by the manufacturer when they switch manufacturing to a different factory.  I certainly wasn’t aware of the change until my customer notified me.  But wanting to keep the customer happy I gladly made the switch, and as a result my demo is more representative.  However, most customers never ask about the country of manufacture.  Some may assume, rightly or wrongly, where things are made but that certainly isn’t bait and switch by the dealer, nor by the manufacturer unless they state somewhere that the series of products are made in a certain place.  I had another customer who listened to the B&W 705 Signatures and loved them.  She bought a pair and when she got them home noticed they were made in China.  She called and asked about it and I checked ours and found they were also made in China.  Once she was sure that what she had gotten was the same as what she heard she was fine with it and she is very happy with her system.

So to the OP I would say if the whole made in China thing bugs you so much (despite the fact that there will be no musical or measurable difference between the two) then call the dealer and see if they are willing to swap for the demos.  But don’t expect some whopping deal because you are buying demos as the dealer has already paid the normal cost for the pair they sold you which they will put on demo.  Otherwise just keep the ones you have and be secure in the knowledge that you have gotten a fine product for the money.

If you're talking about the Polestar, you're one lucky owner. Every review seems to love it. That, and it has the looks whereas the Tesla looks like it was designed by someone who used to design toasters.

All the best,
Nonoise

I just bought a $75k luxury performance EV that was made in a state of the art “super factory”  in China. It’s engineered in Sweden so the quality is spec’d from European standards. The build quality exceeds that of Tesla which is made in America. I absolutely love this car, it’s the best car I’ve ever had or driven. I don’t really care that it’s made in China. Let’s face it, almost everything is made there now, so as long as the engineering standards are high, the end product should be great!

Must have been made on a Monday. Like British cars from those times, the employees were working off their hangovers from the weekend.

All the best,
Nonoise

My current made in China KEF R3s are impeccable in every respect.

OTOH, my former (made in London) 1979 Tannoy HPD315 coaxial drivers were somewhat shabbily assembled, in particular with a wrinkle in the foam surround of one of the woofers, and unevenly applied gaskets on the outer rim of the woofer frame.

As the US Distributor of YBA, a few thoughts...

1. YBA has always been clear their products are designed by Yves-Bernard Andre in France

2. Yves-Bernard continues as Chief Designer of ALL YBA products

3. Yves-Bernard continues as part of the YBA ownership team based in Hong Kong

4. Yves-Bernard oversees/trains ALL YBA production and personally QC all Signature production although COVID-1984 has limited the latter

Sadly, many audio companies avoid clearly stating & acknowledging country of production. Kudos to Dynaudio for at least indicating on cartons. The key is training/managing the production staff to adhere to QC principles as implemented in home country.

I realize this is a few days 'late' and a bit too long, but I just haven't had the time to reply until now.

The OP has asked if the value will hold as well as 'other' Dyn's made in Denmark.

--TLDR; - The answer is no, they will not. Just look at the values of the newest Contour line vs the 'older' Contour line. - The 60's are just not holding their value the same. Whereas my 'older' Contours are still increasing in value.--

I have had Dynaudio products for the last 25 years. Currently I have 3 systems in which all 3 have Dyn's at the end of them. They are all Contour series prior to 2014.

I am also in the process of trying to find C4's MKii or Evidence for my Main system (All prior to 2014).

Dynaudio was purchased in either 2014 or 2015 by a gentleman from the Bay Area who is Chinese. (His ethnicity matters not) - Whenever this happens the new owners always think they can cut costs somewhere, and that is exactly what they did. They introduced what they claim are 'better' drivers in newer cabinets. - ALL RUBBISH. I am not saying they don't sound good, I am saying they sound very different from the earlier Dyn's. And, crucially, all of the Dynaudio fans prior to the exchange know it because we have ears. My dealer that I have been using for ages has actually dropped Dynaudio as a result.

The drivers in the newer series are actually smaller and they claim better. They are also voiced different. I have only heard this on the Counters and not the new Confidence line, but from the other Dynaudio people I know who have tried them all agree. The newer ones sound good, But they have lost the Dynaudio magic. 

I don't know of anyone who I have been associated with that have Dyn's over the years that have tried the newer series that have kept them. Every one of them have swapped back over to the older series when they could find them.

That should tell you everything you need to know.

Appologies for the late reply, and I hope this helps

If the price between the made in China speakers and the made in Denmark speakers remained the same, who benefited?  Clue, it wasn’t the consumer who benefited from the lower cost of manufacturing.

As others have mentioned, many quality items manufactured/produced in PRC, depends on quality demanded by company outsourcing.

And, oh by the way, nearly every audio component is falsely advertised as product of whatever country, you'll find PRC and various other nation's components within all. Purity in one's sense of values/principles is violated by one's very existence in this material world..

If the concern is a resale value in the future, it could be the issue, because for sure there will be more China originated speakers than made in Denmark ones. Floor / display pair should have discount, you may try to negotiate. 

I’ve seen very good and very bad things PRC made, for example all Apple products I have are made in China, no complains!

Thought he was buying Made In Denmark,got Made In China

return them and get the Denmark made Model IF it is still available.I am sure the price paid was for the Denmark Model.Resale will be impacted.If a discount is offered then maybe keep them?

@tablejockey @fsonicsmith 

"own four customs, a Weigle, Landshark, Rob English, and Speedvagen."\

Nice! Add me to the short list of people who care about Dynaudios ( I own the Heritage Specials and the Focus 160s ) and steel bikes. Nothing custom in my stable yet, but my daily driver is a Masi 3V, built in the velodrome in 1984 by Alberto Masi (it would seem ) and now restored and repainted by Joe Bell. I've also just built up a Coppi Lugano with Genius tubing. Both have modern Campy Athena groups. If / when I go custom, it'll either be a Speedvagen ( congrats! ) or a Bishop. 

As for the speakers, I am sure I paid a premium to have my Heritage Specials built in Denmark, but that was a large part of their appeal for me. Transparency matters.

Bait and switch!    RETURN THEM.  Get your money back UNLESS  the deal guarantees that he will get you a Danish-made pair !!

Hey....here's a list of companies you can avoid if MIC is that big a concern for you.
Granted it only represents 1% of American and other countries with business ties in China, but, it's a start.

All the best,
Nonoise

Do what u think is right! All of us will have a different answer, etc. 

  we own 2 pair of Energy RC-70 speakers. 1 pair made on china, other in Canada.

have switched them so many times, no difference in sound, had the drivers all pulled out to replace a crossovers on the Canadian pair.

Cabinets are the same, sealed woofs and tweeter, same!

 Both sound godlike, I will not part with them, unless in can get a pair of acoustic energy ae520, Or BIC Realta Venturi. B and w 800 series w 15” woof from mid 90’s, those had some wallop in the low end”

@fsonicsmith

I started in the bike industry in 1989, met Gary Klein at his Chehalis, WA, "factory" in 1988, owned the first neon green Klein Pinnacle, a custom Land Shark, Wicked Fat, IF Deluxe and Davidson Impulse show bike, among others.

😆😜

@tablejockey  not sure I would classify the steel/ti/aluminum frame business in the US as boutique anymore. Like LPs, it seems to be having a resurgence of late, IMHO, even as some of the legends (Ted Wojcik, etc.) retire

Removes tongue from cheek

GoerTek – a consumer electronics company based in China – has announced it has acquired the majority of shares in Dynaudio (in 2014), the high-end speaker manufacturer founded in 1977. THEY OWN Dynaudio. Maybe they should change the name to "Chinaudio" but of course they won’t as long as they can continue to trade on the popularity of the original brand name. This happens (and has) to many once great companies.

That they choose to manufacture in cheaper communist China is their decision to help THEIR bottom line, and so they can compete with all the other companies making $500 to $5000 speakers there.

Are they upholding the original quality? Maybe, maybe not. Heck, it might be BETTER.

I note that more than one consumer has had issues with woofers rattling on Dali (Danish Audio) Oberon 9 speakers ($1250 each) that were made in communist China. This has given me pause about buying them for sure.

If it bothers you, send them back, get a refund, and see what else is out there.

If it bothers you now, it will forever bother you, and be a lingering, festering issue, no matter how "good" you think they sound.

Or you could print out some "Made in Denmark" stickers and put them over the "Made in China" ones and call it a day.