Melm, you are a genius.
Do you have ways to ease use of vinyl?
The reason for this post is to help some of the older guys here who recently said they gave up on vinyl because of its physical challenges. And at 66, I could not agree more. I used to have a two shelves rack for my turntable, which placed the top of the platter above knee height, at 25". To flip vinyl was either bend over and hurt my back, or doing it and one knee and hurt those.
Well, NO MORE.
Late last year I purchased a 4 shelves rack which puts the top of the platter at my belly button height, 40". Btw, I am of average height, 5'10".
What a difference! My back and knees will be forever thankful.
Here is another thing that greatly eased my vinyl experience.
I use an outer ring, center weight and brush my vinyl for each play. This was the process it entailed: Put on the center weight before brushing because I play my vinyl on a bare aluminum platter. Wait until the brushing was done before putting on the outer ring because I brushed the conventional way, finishing by dragging the brush outward to get rid of the dust. Once brushed, removed the center weight so I could install the outer ring and then reinstall the center weight and I finally could drop the needle. Ouf!
NO MORE!
Now I put on the outer ring first, then brush the record taking the brush INWARD instead, leaving the minute dust on the label (and I found out it does a much better job of brushing since the brush moves in the direction of the grooves, inward). Once brushed, simply put on the center weight and drop the needle. Voila!
Easier ten fold.
Another important pointer, the center weight, brush AND OUTER RING must be near the TT and at the SAME HEIGHT. Your back will thank you.
Those changes took me over 50 years to figure out and they have literally made my listening to vinyl experience a dream instead of dreading to flip those vinyl.
Please share any tip you may have to ease up the physical burden that some older folks here may have about using vinyl. Thanks.
Well, NO MORE.
Late last year I purchased a 4 shelves rack which puts the top of the platter at my belly button height, 40". Btw, I am of average height, 5'10".
What a difference! My back and knees will be forever thankful.
Here is another thing that greatly eased my vinyl experience.
I use an outer ring, center weight and brush my vinyl for each play. This was the process it entailed: Put on the center weight before brushing because I play my vinyl on a bare aluminum platter. Wait until the brushing was done before putting on the outer ring because I brushed the conventional way, finishing by dragging the brush outward to get rid of the dust. Once brushed, removed the center weight so I could install the outer ring and then reinstall the center weight and I finally could drop the needle. Ouf!
NO MORE!
Now I put on the outer ring first, then brush the record taking the brush INWARD instead, leaving the minute dust on the label (and I found out it does a much better job of brushing since the brush moves in the direction of the grooves, inward). Once brushed, simply put on the center weight and drop the needle. Voila!
Easier ten fold.
Another important pointer, the center weight, brush AND OUTER RING must be near the TT and at the SAME HEIGHT. Your back will thank you.
Those changes took me over 50 years to figure out and they have literally made my listening to vinyl experience a dream instead of dreading to flip those vinyl.
Please share any tip you may have to ease up the physical burden that some older folks here may have about using vinyl. Thanks.
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I have one system with a turntable at 18" and another on a custom stand at 31". The 18" is standard rack height and OK, but hell when I need to do cartridge work as my knees aren't what they used to be. Not bad for playing, though. I much prefer the higher stand (not just because the turntable in that system is too big to fit a normal shelf). If you guys have normal sized turntables, consider finding a Target TT1 turntable wall mount and screw it to your wall studs at whatever height best suits your back. |
Best tonearm lifter is the Tru-Lift from Integrity Hifi in Canada. Smooth as butter and built great. They are super nice, and are glad to talk to you, but only sell through dealers. They basically configure it with stainless steel discs to make the height fit your turntable. For me, the Tru Lift doesn't even touch the plinth. Anyone with a Rega P8 or P10 should absolutely get one of these things. They also know a lot about turntables, and even make what they say is a fantastic arm that doesn't touch the plinth for $4K. I would look at that if I wanted to spend double on a table versus what I have. They also have a duster that picks up dust while the record is playing (I don't like that idea on my table). It is the greatest thing that Tru Lift, and to not have to worry the stylus is wearing out and you may hear some noise. It's not cheap, but worth every dime. Price varies by height of the device. I got it about 9 months ago and wish I knew about them 10 years ago when I would have been willing to fork over the $300. Tina answers the phone there and is very nice. Another issue is where are you keeping the records. My records are inside a credenza/cabinets where my stereo sits on top, only a few inches off the ground so it's a deep bend to get them out, but I leave them out until there are about 15 total in 3 different sections before I put them back. Getting them out one at a time is easier than replacing them. When the day comes and I can't bend down easily all the way, I'll have to get some kind of rack so they're a few feet off the ground. That'll be a major "discussion" with the wife. Table is about 3" high since I put it on a wall shelf - something else I would recommend if you can do it. Perfect height, a slight bend. My turntable company (Rega) does not recommend or tolerate anything that adds weight to the table, so for me it is easy, just brush the record (outer to inner turning the brush up on the second swipe), my records are all very clean (and they are never left out when not in a mofi sleeve and a jacket with vinyl sleeve, so no record cleaning machine - 95% of my records were bought new), so just drop the stylus and you're done. No clamps or weights. And if I can't get back right away, no anxiety. Maybe some of you guys would benefit from getting away from all these contraptions and simplify life with a Rega. I think getting up out of a chair is good for you every 20 minutes, even better yet, enjoy the even better quality of 45's and get up every 10 or so. |
We pull a lot of vinyl out at a time to play an assortment of stuff.....so to ease repetitive motions and save time..... Filtered air and humidified with D/W and super clean records means no dust or cleaning needed before play. Ridiculously clean. Absolutely no noise. If dusting is needed I use air compression (Industrial compressor in the basement and run a hose up) on a remote switch. So much easier and more effective than brushing. Used to ionize the air but not needed anymore. I use a remote desktop program to control the audio computer as the TT goes through the D/A converter. CD resolution is too low. Most LPs that are any good are recorded at 192-24. Changed the chair height. A few inches helped a lot. |
I would think that this is pretty easy. For 45 years, since I was 22, my table has rested on a cabinet that’s bolted to a brick wall. The cabinet height is about a standard 36 inches. The turntable surface is 41.5" high. When I am holding an LP, I’m standing straight up, my arms are bent almost to 90 degrees but slightly up. Clamping is a breeze. I don’t bother with a ring. I never clean or brush a record on the table: I do that at the record cleaning machine, which is about an inch higher. tablejocke: my room is not 100% dedicated, but all that’s up here are my books, my records, audio system, my computer and my dog. The room is semi-anechoic, by design. |
sokogear: I have had a VPI HW for 35 years, the MK IV version for 15. I clamp. The sweet spot chair is 10 ft from the table, easy to get settled into before the music starts. |
Interesting thread topic. I try to keep my vinyl as accessible as possible, in open shelves. My turntable is atop one of my equipment racks which puts it at chest height, which I find the most ergonomic both for back/arms and also for easily seeing the record label, and the record grooves when placing the needle. |
A Cantilever / Stylus is a Sacrificial Part of a Cartridge and Obviously very very fragile. My TT started out in Life mounted at a Height of approx 30 inches, I have previosly Stated I have worked with a TT in the recent years at mounted lower than 18 inches. My TT's at present are Mounted for use at 48 inches. From all recollections the 48 inch Mount Height offer the most assured handling of the Tonearm, as the Haptics and Visual elements of the operation carried out in a setting where Good Balance is Maintained and the Visual is very accurate when when using Judgement for aligment of the Tonearm. No More going onto one knee to eye the Stylus to the Groove and no short cuts by Trusting the oversail from a down view and after mistakes made being over compensating. The Downside of the assured accuracy that can be achieved when a TT is raised to a Mount at approx 48 inches is that the Outer Grooves will let the listener be aware of how much surface noise is being produced. When Over compensating the Tonearms oversail is used, the Track usually starts with a Stylus engaging a Groove beyond any intro's and the Outer Groove is not coming into contact with the Stylus. Another point of interest would be to learn, if there is a difference in the numbers of Cantiver / Stylus Handling Damages occuring, due to handling a Tonearm on a Low TT Mount vs High TT Mount. I ask this, as there are always a story to be picked up on, where another experienced HiFi Enthusiast is reporting on the unwanted moment, and a Damage is done. |
Hi bayliner I do relate to the body changes over time... 75 this Thursday. Trust, this is NOT a vinyl vs digital. I have great respect and some envy for vinyl playback. My musician son has a lovely retro Dual 1229 w/Shure M97xE, Rega Mira 3 integrated, into SA1530 MTM floorstanders. In the late 90s, I had a full, post Allen Perkins SOTA Star Sapphire, vacuum with all the trimmings. Digital finally reached my emotions. I simply did not have the budget to chase both. Out went the vinyl. My good fortune is finding skilled assistance in the digital world. Great digital playback requires knowledge and skills. A nearby friend with a uber vinyl front has sold everything but select vinyl, that he's selling by the piece. His passion for great sound equals mine. I truly enjoyed visiting, but, he is downsizing and the vinyl is going. Does the best of the best shootout fall on the analog side? Probably? It shares the most vocal, certainly. My experience says things are pretty close, emotionally, where it matters. I do like a good tube(s) in the chain somewhere. A blue collar budget can certainly do well either way right now. For me, having worked my system very hard over the last 20 years, the digital equals, and in some ways surpasses the best analog front I've experienced. If I had the space and the proper budget (maybe $30K to start) would I have a turntable system. YES. Do I regret my choice? Absolutely not. My sources are lossless rips of well chosen CDs to my PC and TIDAL streaming...Qobuz is good too. My Foobar settings are 24/96 playback. I've experimented with higher resolution, but have settled on 24/96 (for now.) Everything is absolutely stable in function. Searching a favorite artist, say Joni, Ry, Janis, Feat, composers (you choose), music genres to explore, it's difficult to argue against the magic of streaming and the ease. Finding near entire discographies on selected artists is simply amazing. Plus, the side roads to which they lead. Guys, find expert help, let them remote into your computer to set things to run well, and enjoy life! Vinyl lovers, LOVE! More Peace, Pin |
For me, too much listening preparation detracts from the experience. I keep my records clean. I give each side a quick brush before listening. I wipe the stylus every few records with a soft dry brush. I use a clamp only for records that need it. I don't want to have to stop and start the motor after each side. I just want to listen to the music. I don't want the cleaning ritual to get in the way of that. |
Now age 67 I have a rack that puts the platter just below my chin where I can easily see the stylus, a lift that gently lowers the stylus, tables that shim for VTA and no fiddly unipivot tonearm. I set it and forget it for a year at a time now. I’ve recently discovered that mm and mi cartridges bring classic rock to life, mc not so much. Life is good. |
The Integrity Tru Lift has one serious flaw, it's lift bar is solid metal and slippery. The anti skating force can cause the tonearm to slide back off the lift bar and bounce on the record. You will have to do something like pad the upper surface of the bar with Velcro or something else that will keep the arm from slipping off. |
@mijostyn - I’ve never had any issues with the Tru lift other than forgetting to reset it after it lifts the arm from a record before I put another record on. Of course then it restricts the arm from moving and makes it skip. It happened once in a while when I first got it, but now that I’ve had it for a good while, it might happen once or twice a month when I forget what a great option I now have. Maybe a unipivot arm could have this issue, but Regas use gimbal arms, which are much easier to use IMO. |
My TT sits atop a 5” thick polished granite slab, on top of my downstairs stereo cabinet, the top of the TT cover is just higher than my chest (about even with my nipples) (I’m just under 6’ 1) It’s perfect, no bending, no tiptoe-ing, easy to dust the LPs’ before play, easy flipping/reading labels, etc etc. the other TT sits at my desk (average sitting desk height) She is about just over waist height standing,..... when I use that TT to download to my computer, I’m sitting down using my computer,......when sitting down, it’s just about chest height also,..makes easy to flip, dust LPs’, etc. this just happened the past oh,....8 years. Previously, our old place we lived in, all I had was a 2 tier coffee table, TT was at or just above my knees, so the boss (wife) one year bought me one of those kneeling pads, some new fangled space gel/gushy stuff to kneel on, as in order to flip, I had to get on my knees (keep your minds out the gutter ;). Love playing the records, my only regret is late night listening, I tend to drift off leaving the TT spinning, My only gripe of those Technics SL-1200’s, they don’t have a auto return/off function. Never heard any degradation in sound or wear on the stylus from many years of this. |
@articdeath - get yourself a Tru Lift as I mentioned above. No more worries about late night listening and falling asleep.Turntable will still spin, but at least your stylus won't touch the record and wear out prematurely. There's cheaper options out there too, but not as good. You don't want any auto return function on a turntable - simplest is best. Other motors add noise. |
@arcticdeath - the company is Integrity HIFi, but this is sold only through dealers. Usually, you can order through a dealer and Integrity will drop ship it to you. I would call them to make sure you order the right size. They might know of a dealer close to you that isn't in their listing, like mine wasn't. https://www.integrityhifi.ca/ dealers are at https://www.integrityhifi.ca/dealer-listings They're not supposed to discount, but my dealer did. Don't tell Tina at Integrity, she wouldn't be happy. She is very helpful and nice and helped me when I was too stupid to figure out how to install it exactly as intended, and helped me find damping fluid after I dropped the thing and it was then lifting too quickly. Even had a video on how to add damping fluid. |
Garrard record flipper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfI21OD4gcs
Capehart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q342zZx4id0 Lincoln turn over changer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFcrEta9HKk Yes, it's been done before. |
I'm 68 with knee and hip issues. Recently I had a TT die. I replaced it with a Technics SL-10 full auto linear tracking TT. I'm pretty happy with it's ease of use and performance. It has a Ortofon OMP10 cartridge with OM30 stylus which I really enjoy. My TT's are roughly 30" off the floor, using the SL-10, I can bend over slightly and mount an LP, close the lid and press play. My SL-1210 is better but not by much. Also, at 62, I started daily exercising with a focus on walking. Exercising and altering the way I do things is keeping out of replacement part surgery for the present. |