Do we believe in Machina Dynamics?

I think it's root canal Sparky.

I encourage all readers to search the archives for your posts.

Calling names is nothing more than a last resort to change the topic or divert attention.

Sticks and stones you know.

I purchased the Brilliant Pebbles through Auctions.
Weather these items are technical marvels or just common ordinary items,I really dont know.
But, they do help improve the soundstage!

Just as perhaps hanging a rug on the wall improves reflection, some guy can sell rugs that are claimed Audio quality and descibe in detail the technical marvals of that rug.
In the end its still a rug .

Dont blame the guy for coming up with items that DO improve the soundstage and trying to market it.

Audiofool when are you going to be driving the Wc65Mustang again? We miss that narly old ride around here. I suppose he has the same exact system as you. You could both be negative again from the same computer and the same home. Tom

What the hell is a root-channel?

Ironically, there is a patent for a root-channel, but I meant root-canal. Sorry!

A root-channel is the same single imposter Audiofool and Wc65Mustang..Its all in the Audiogon posts. Take a look back in history its the same paid advertiser. Tom

I purchased the Brilliant Pebbles through Auctions.
Weather these items are technical marvels or just common ordinary items,I really dont know. But, they do help improve the soundstage!

ozzy: from you system pics, i gather that you are Detroit Lions fan. guess that would explain your willingness to vastly overpay for something that you acknowledge to be a "common ordinary item."

Jeffrey, what is the evidence behind your "vastly overpay" statement? And is the Detroit Lion fan comment anything but ad hominem? I guess this is your usual meaningless attack.

And is the Detroit Lion fan comment anything but ad hominem?

Norm:

Go back to bed. No one is talking to you.

If you can't fall back asleep, re-read your rich history of posting on this and other sites: you are the absolute last person who should be criticizing others for personal attacks. You have mastered that tactic -- perhaps not surprisingly, given your inability to defend your positions with rationale thought.

Jeffrey, sorry I hit a nerve by pointing out your typical meaningless posts. By the way a rationale is a liturgical vestment worn by clergy, in particular by Bishops, in the Roman Catholic Church which uses full vestments. wikipedia Perhaps you do view yourself as a bishop, although others know you are incapable of anything more than mocking others. You make unfounded statements with no backing. Grow up!

Is there anybody on the thread that doesn’t think Norm is a total ass?

Dude, go rent a date or something ...

Is there anyone here that doesn't believe that Tooly is totally ignorant and trying to persuade people that they should not just let their ears decide for them? I just want to know who appointed Tooly, Audiofool, and Jeffrey to police their interests in improving their audio?

Wow, as many times as it may have been used on this forum in the past, the term "beat to death" is a gross understatement regarding this topic and the endlessly circular nature of the related posts... tune in tomorrow to see who had..."The Last Word" in syndication here at Audiogon...

For those attacking: The constant chat fuss would seem only to serve continued interest and "buzz" in the very products you think are junk. Ignoring products that _depend_ on internet buzz and cotroversy to sell would seem a more effective tack. My guess is that B&M, HT and custom-install sales of these products aren't exactly booming. Ever wonder why thread after thread on the topic keeps appearing on a site that is likely the sole generator of sales for those products? I know what Arsenio would say... :-)

Norm, getting into endless ad-homien exchanges does not serve anyones interests in the long run. It's not like your point becomes more clear after 50 posts and arguments than it was after your initial posted opinion. This looks just like the H-Cat thread where well enough couldn't be left alone. Lots of time and band-width wasted restating the same thing and arguing with anything that didn't move in your direction. Looks a little missionary-like to the uninformed.

It looks like everybody made their point like thrty posts ago. I've seen more insightful and entertaining scrums over leggos at the local daycare.

back to your regularly scheduled ephitets... 80)

Samuel, a long time ago I agreed with several who emailed me that I should just stop posting on another thread. I have tried, but unsuccessfully. I guess it is because those who I respond to claim to be representative of science and I think they pretend to be only. Even Geoff does enter into this exchange, although it is not just his tweaks that motivate my postings. The end.

The subject was do we believe in Machina Dynamics and I put in my two penny worth about I think it is crap.
But it seems that this has gotten to be slaging matches between a few members sometimes with posts that do not even reference the original subject just “he's an ass” or “he's an idiot”.

The original subject was and always will be a magnet for heated discussion between the enlightened few and people not from California.

I would like to suggest that we kept this discussion civil and factual, keeping open minds as to the improvements a plastic duplex cover or a telephone call can make.

That said I think MD is crap and you have to be a total idiot with more money than sense to buy this garbage.
(Or live in California)

That said I think MD is crap and you have to be a total idiot with more money than sense to buy this garbage.
(Or live in California)

Boy, if that doesn’t offend several thousand people I don't know what will.

I have never lived in California but I am friends with a lot of audiophiles and audio designers that live there.

There is an unbelievable amount of talent there, Steve McCormack, Jim White (Aesthetix) and so many others the list would be too long to post.

For a long time now the only interesting thing about this and related threads has been to observe how they can bring out some of our most regrettable tendencies as human beings, and how the fundamental debate between believers and skeptics within a trivial arena like audio gear mirrors that of real life.

The 'rationalists' on this thread (and I count myself among them -- not that I necessarily agree with everything they've written here, but I do share their judgement concerning MD, their products, and Mr. Kait), by their own lights, should certainly acknowledge the eternal truth that belief cannot be 'argued out' of people or the world. Trying to use persuasive discourse, or mere put-downs, to convince satisfied MD users of the 'error' of their ways is as pointless -- and wrong -- as an atheist (like me) trying to use 'science' to convince a believer of the non-existence of God. As we should all know, science *cannot* disprove the existence of a diety. And that's a scientific fact.

For the guys who refuse to let this tiresome and futile shouting match die an overdue death, you might want to pause a moment to consider what continuing this appears to say about how much else more worthwhile in life you have going on...(hint: YOU CAN'T "WIN"!)

Dude my post was a joke read the other posts on this thread, the basis and content of the tread itself, that is what should be offensive to you, not me saying Californians are...........now lets be politically correct Steve...........Gullible....No cant say that... Weird...No...Like voted for the Terminator...NO...................Would be more likely to buy a phone call that would transcendentally change the space time continuum as we know it.

YES THAT'S IT!!!

Would be more likely to buy a phone call that would transcendentally change the space time continuum as we know it.

I’m going with that one and hope it is politically correct for the people in America.

Now your gonna say I pissed of another 301,139,947

I did not know it was a joke, no smiley face to suggest it was other than serious.

Perhaps if your comments had been made over a "space time continuum phone" it would have made me laugh.