Do we believe in Machina Dynamics?

No, but what I really don't believe is that we need yet another thread (probably destined to be deleted anyway) on why we don't believe in this..

Not that I've tried it Audioblazer, but that Shakti Hallograph thingy strikes me as classic snake oil too -- something I say based solely on having seen it pictured and read the ad copy, which looks and sounds like unmitigated BS along the lines of Shun Mook "Spatial Control" disks and stands. Not that I doubt that anything which is a resonator and/or physically large enough will affect the soundfield to *some* degree when placed in the listening environment (the Shun Mook disks qualify as neither of those as far as I can tell), but that's also true of most all of one's listening room furnishings. What I doubt is that this particular object could always make the sound somehow "better" and be worth what's charged for it (however I don't doubt that paying a significant amount for these types of things could in some cases be key to their "effectiveness"). Then again, I haven't tried liquid on my CDs or silver paste on my connectors either...

For a long time now the only interesting thing about this and related threads has been to observe how they can bring out some of our most regrettable tendencies as human beings, and how the fundamental debate between believers and skeptics within a trivial arena like audio gear mirrors that of real life.

The 'rationalists' on this thread (and I count myself among them -- not that I necessarily agree with everything they've written here, but I do share their judgement concerning MD, their products, and Mr. Kait), by their own lights, should certainly acknowledge the eternal truth that belief cannot be 'argued out' of people or the world. Trying to use persuasive discourse, or mere put-downs, to convince satisfied MD users of the 'error' of their ways is as pointless -- and wrong -- as an atheist (like me) trying to use 'science' to convince a believer of the non-existence of God. As we should all know, science *cannot* disprove the existence of a diety. And that's a scientific fact.

For the guys who refuse to let this tiresome and futile shouting match die an overdue death, you might want to pause a moment to consider what continuing this appears to say about how much else more worthwhile in life you have going on...(hint: YOU CAN'T "WIN"!)