Here's another one I stumbled on.
Woo Audio wds-1.
It go some good press a few years back
Anyone with any listening knowledge?
DAC for second system
Putting together an office audio system; with space constraints ( not to mention cost).
Looking at R2R NOS DACS; for an organic sounding system.
There are many threads on Border Patrol, MHDT, Lab 12 etc. I see there is an upgraded ( as compared to earlier threads) Border Patrol SE-1.
Any listening perspectives on the upgraded model.
Any suggestions in the 2-3 K price point ( up to 5 if its really good ).
Thanks
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i enjoyed my time with a mojo dac, but ultimately i returned it to benjamin -- not because i didn’t like the sound, but because i wanted a dac that had variable volume to drive a power amp directly (in addition to sounding terrific) i felt the r2r mojo sound very very nice, very natural and organic very refined, not a trace of digital nasties/harshness - if anything it is a touch on the ’polite side’ to my ears |
Mopmerantz my home office system is primarily used to fill in the background of a normally boring day working though I listen to it 6-7 hours a day 5 days a week it gets used far more then my main system, being married with kids I could never ever get away with that . The dac I use Gustard A-26 chip base is much lower in price then your budget though it’s not a r2r it’s brother the Gustard R-26 is I understand this model also is equal with performance way beyond its retail price .
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Get a Ladder. I just got mine today. Very impressed and it is not even run in yet. https://iiwireviews.com/ladder-schumann-best-r2r-dac-you-never-heard-about/ Anything else is old news. Don't be living in the past man. 😀
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For office use, I think convenience and practical aspects are major. I would look into active speakers. I agree with Pontus (I have one), but I think it is overkill for office. Dali or Bluesound speakers with a bluesound node will let your colleagues easily connect their Spotify or Apple accounts, so that all can contribute to the sound in the office. |
Jss49, Similar for me, I preferred the Pontus II to the Venus II straight up, even though the Venus II is $1,300 more expensive......others will disagree with me on that point. The Venus seemed to not have the Denafrips "house sound" that I personally like very much. A Pontus II with the Iris DDC clearly outperforms the Venus IMO, and the cost for the Pontus II and Iris DDC is still $750 less than a Venus II. |
couple years back i had compared the original terminator to the pontus 2 at length, both had the ’updated dsp module’ offered in that period - i felt the terminator brought the treble energy forward quite a bit and had a slightly broader soundstage (no doubt due to a more robust output stage and power supply), and a slightly finer grain to the sound the one fault of the pontus i heard was a sense of noticeable grain in the lower treble/upper mids, despite the midrange and midbass being so lovely, warm and dimensional (which made it special, to my ears).... at that time, i ditched the term and kept the pontus, which i felt represented great value given its sound and fairly modest cost only later i got a modded mhdt tube buffered dac and that to my ear was even more beautiful and organic sounding than the pontus, with enough detail and speed, and without the slight grainy texture to the sound |
@vthokie83 Excellent summary and thanks! That’s kinda what I woulda thought but very helpful to hear from someone who’s heard them all. BTW, I inserted the Iris into my HeadFi rig and found much the same improvements. I found the noise floor dropped and imaging improved greatly where individual elements just popped more in a 3D space and more occupied their own space. IME the difference was not small and I’ll no longer listen without the Iris. Thanks again. |
Soix, I did not have the Terminator and the Aquarius in my system at the same time, so I'm going off of a few notes and my memory.....for what that is worth. My equipment: Denafrips Hades Pre-Amp, Denafrips Thallo amp, Tubes4HiFi VTA ST-120 tube amplifier with highly upgraded NOS tubes, BlueSound Node 130 with LHY LPS, Audiolab 6000CDT transport, and Buchardt Audio S400 MK II speakers, very good for the value cables. (1) Pontus II (Note: I have not yet added the Pontus II firmware update that was released over the weekend, which appears to offer real world improvements) - This is the DAC I currently own and love, I've often posted that this DAC has no comparison at it's price point......and I still feel that way. The Pontus II is lively, detailed (enough for me), wide and high soundstage though soundstage depth is not class leading, great instrument separation, good attack and bass, and glorious mid range, and NEVER fatiguing which is my major concern. The DAC is more on the "comfortable" side of things (which I find all R2R DACs are to some extent), and definitely not analytical. I have since added the Denafrips Iris DDC ($550) between my LPS modified Node 130 and the Pontus. This has brought the noise floor down greatly, and the background is quieter (black background as some might call it). The soundstage is now even wider and taller, though it didn't do much for the depth. Detail is improved, but still comfortable. The Iris just brought out more of the "goodness" of the Pontus, and covered up more of the Node's faults. (2) Musician Aquarius - I did not have the Denafrips Iris when I borrowed this unit, so notes are from the DAC alone. Compared to the Pontus the Aquarius is a definite improvement in many areas. It has a wider and taller, and definitely a deeper soundstage. Attack and speed are better, and the bass has a beautiful grip that gets your attention, it has the same wonderful mids of the Pontus and more detail and instrument separation up top....drums sound sublime with this DAC. What I had issue with, is the detail, speed, and urgency being so defined. This DAC is more "in your face" and let's you know it's there, not the comfortable sound of the Pontus II. To me it was a lightly fatiguing after a few hours, especially with critical listening. However, if you are looking for all of that "extra" from a DAC, it is a GREAT option. Also not that when paired with the tube amplifier, it was amazing. For me the Aquarius is more closely related to the Holo Audio May DAC, for $2,400 less. (3) Denafrips Terminator II - Here I also did not yet have the Denafrips Iris DDC, so listening is with the DAC only. HOLY CRAP! Take all of the wonderful things I said about the Pontus II, and every single one is improved with the Terminator II. It is more of everything, and improves the things that I feel the Pontus needed: soundstage depth, instrument (and vocal) placement and separation, more detail.....all while keeping the warmth and easy listening sound, it was hard to listen critically as I just wanted to play more music and relax with a warm blanket. Overall these are 3 great DACs! The Pontus is the definite value winner, the Aquarius is the "more is better" winner, and the Terminator II would be my price doesn't matter winner. Take with a grain of salt: I definitely have a sensitivity to audio components that provide a great amount of detail, they can get "too much" after a few hours of listening and cause me to cut my listening time short. |
@vthokie83 How would you compare the Pontus, Aquarius, and Terminator? |
DACs that I have heard in my system that I can recommend in your price range, all are R2R ladder DACs that are not fatiguing: Denafrips Pontus II DAC - $1,850 for the new 12th anniversary edition Musician Aquarius DAC - $3,100 Denafrips Terminator 12th anniversary - $5,000 Holo Audio May DAC KTE - $5,600 |
I’ve got a Musician Pegasus R2R NOS DAC that, while I wouldn’t call it warm, it is certainly natural and musical sounding with no sense of digititis. It’s got a small footprint and at only $1099 is well within your budget. For about $2k more you can step up to their Aquarius flagship DAC that gives a bit more of everything. Here’s a review, and you can find a review of the Aquarius on the same site. Now here’s where it gets even better — you can add their Pisces DDC that re-clocks the data and allows you to take advantage of their DAC’s i2S input via HDMI that significantly boosts the performance even higher (from personal experience), and at $619 you’d still be well within your budget with either DAC above. It shares the same footprint and form factor as the DACs so they look good together, and even with the DDC stacked on top of the DAC they’d probably still be around the same size as the Border Patrol DAC. As with the DACs you could step up to their Leo or flagship Phoenix DDC and get better clocks, etc. and still be within budget. Just another option to ponder, and best of luck.
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for a small form factor dac with a highly organic and musical presentation, i can heartily recommend a tube buffered dac from mhdt - orchid, stockholm, istanbul, toucan etc etc... lovely, highly refined sweet yet resolving sound, small footprint greater resolving power than the border patrol (i have had both side by side), sense of space and clearer leading edge transients without any trace of harshness in the past couple years, i’ve compared the orchid (stock and grannyring modded) against ayre codex, musical paradise, various schiit, chord, denafrips, and numerous higher priced units
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