Don't be alarmed that the record is warped when you pull it out of the freezer. Allow it to warm slowly to room temp. YRMV. |
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Yup. According to the owner of Cryogenics International anyway. |
The proccess is a three day treatment- almost a full day bringing the temp down and another bringing it back up. |
Oooops, almost forgot to mention for cryo stuff, best to wait a week or so after getting items back from lab since materials can take some time to recover from the cryo experience and might sound a little "funny" if listened to right away. It all depends. |
I am a big fan or the cryo process. It might sound a little funny to you all but I use it for food - meat, fish, ice cream and water. My groceries all sound better after the cryo treatment. |
Dear Srwooten: I can't argue about your idea to cryo'ed LPs. I only would to know : which the target? what do you want to accomplish with? do you really have a precise target doing that? who told you that you need to begin with your best vinyl? is there any risk or trade-oofs?
Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul. |
Cryo treated a new SSD hard drive for Mach2Music Mac mini music server and bit the dust. My advice cryo wire and careful with all the rest.
How ever I ordered a new SME IV.vi and I'm
going to have cryo treated |
The only thing I am wondering is why you would do it on your best albums before trying it out on others you could afford to see something happen to. If it 'works' you could I am sure do it again. |
Color me dumb- I believe in cryo for some things, but what are the presumed benefits for vinyl? Less noise, longer wearing? |
Is there any benefit to having oneself cryo'd? I mean, one of the most important components in the chain is the listener so perhaps I will send myself in for cryo-ing. My room is cryo'd, I live in minnesota and can't afford to pay my heating bill because of all of the audio tweaks I have purchased.
On a more serious note, other than static and magnitism that can occur on some vinyl, vinyl records are a mechanical device and not an electical one, the cartridge is the device that turns mechanical energy into electical energy. I can think of no mechanical benefit to cryo of the LP but I do admit I do not know everything. (I may though after I get cryo'd)
David |
I can only think of bad things that can happen, like the process will permanently deform the grooves, etc. And I cannot imagine the rationale for it. By all means, try it and tell us what happens. But keep your 6-eyes and your original Blue Notes out of the freezer for now, is my advice. |
I cryo'ed the brush used to clean all of my stylii and noticed a tremendous improvement.
I say go for it but make sure you cryo the jackets and sleeves as well. |
A possible explanation for why cryoing improves LP performance is the same reason it improves the performance of golf balls, rifle barrels, automotive engine cam shafts, trumpets, not to mention tonearms, turntable platters, CDs, interconnects, structural rods and shelves of audio racks, etc. |
Theosundhouse--bummer on the SSD, IK have done a ton of them (and RAM too--pretty much the same thing as an SSD) without any negative results. Did the person you used for treatment use a vert slow ramp down, and slow warm to ambient?
FWIW--I've done lots of LP's for people, the feedback has been universally positive. However, I would encourage you to treat some albums easily replaced first, and once you are sure you like the changes cryo causes, then move on to irreplaceable stuff.
Br3098--Ha, nice one!
Peace,
Lee |
Geoffkait, you were going to mention the possible explination? |
The reason cryogenics works for musical instruments, rifle barrels, tonearms, golf clubs, CDs etc. is that physical characteristics of the materials are improved by the cryogenic cold tempering process. Thus, metals and plastics are stiffer, harder, more homogeneous and exhibit less internal stress and dicontinuities. |
Great idea....but...Do cryo'ed ears hear better.....? Hm, I should ask JV.... |
Raul- I'd like to extend the life of my vinyl and improve the sound if possible. As far as risk/trade-offs, that's what I'm trying to find out.
T-Bone- It is expensive so I only wont to spend the $ on the LP's I value the most.
4est- Yes.
Geoff- Have you cryoed LP's? |
Dear Srwooten: ++++ " I'd like to extend the life of my vinyl ... " ++++++
who told you that that could help and that you Lp's goes " for ever "?, even if a person already do it he can't tell you.
Maybe is more unexpensive don't play to often your LP's: this IMHO and the take care on cartridge stylus cleaning and LP cleaning and how you " stock " the LP's and how your care handling it is what could give you extended life.
The other subject that could help for your target is to paste your valuable LP's on a hard disk and heard these copies instead the LP's.
Anyway, your LP's and money: your call, good luck.
Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul. |
Haven't done it, just a guess but I would expect the records to sound colder, less warm after wards, more like digital.
I'm only half kidding on this..... |
Srwooten, yes, I've cryo'd LPs; I've also frozen them in the freezer, which works surprisingly well. If you don't mind my asking, how much is it these days to cryo an LP? |
Geoff- $75 for the first 9 lbs. I'm trying to treat 400lbs of gear at 2.75/lb.
Raul- I guess I could play them never and they would really last ;-) |
I had Cryogenics International in Scottsdale cryo many interconnects, CDs, and yes, some LP's. Leave the cardboard covers home and cryo only with sleeve on. There is no moisture, so sleeve won't stick. Cables did take a time to break in again but were quieter. The biggest improvement came from the CD's. Try a listening test with a treated and untreated CD of the same; the treated has a lower noise floor and will sound smoother. I was told the improvement was due to removing imperfections in the aluminum disc and plastic it is sealed in that prevents the player going into error correction often. I also felt the LP' s I did were quieter but the difference was subtle compared to the CD's. Long story short is it can't hurt the record and doesn't warp it. I need to treat my tubes; it is excellent for them. |
If God intended for stuff to be cryo'd there would be ice ages . . . |
There were! We just missed them! LOL |
There is another thread about whether women are impressed by speakers.
Of course we all know that cryo'ed records are the real cat's meow! |
I am having my clever clock and pebbles treated.....awesome! |
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>>12-04-10: Chadnliz
I am having my clever clock and pebbles treated<<
Anybody buying that sh** should be treated. |
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How will you listen to them if they are frozen for 30 years?
just kidding. |
Bill the only stone around my system is in my Kidney :) |
I really like the effect cryo treatment has on SOME materials. After reading the writing of some weenie audio writer who liked cryo'd LP's, I thought I'd add a few LPs to my order with Cryo International. As I feared, every single LP came back warped and unplayable! There were sections I was able to play (typically the inner track) and I compared them to a non cryo of the same LP. Cryo had no significant effect on the LP sound. It sounded identical to me. So there you have it. No improvement, 100% damaged and unplayable.
I like cryo for tubes, copper cables and various parts. BE CAREFUL! |
That's odd, Highendman. There are quite a few cryogenics labs specializing in audio items - including LPs - such as Cryogenics International and Enduro Cryogenics. One suspects that if properly controlled cryo treatment of LPs produces warped LPs these cryo labs would have ceased to advertize LPs as one of their specialties a long time ago, eh? You know, with customer feedback and all.
Cheerio |
Geoff, You were not serious about "cryo"-treating your LPs using your home freezer, were you? I assume you know that temperatures attained in a home freezer are nowhere near low enough to have any effect on molecular or atomic organization of any material (except of course for freezer burn). OK, you were kidding, and here I am taking the bait.
Has anyone really cryo-treated an LP with good results? |
Yes, I was serious about the home freezer and, yes, I realize the temperatures are not as low as cryo temps. |
Geoff,
I used Cryo International. They listed LP's as one of the items they cryod. Mined were all destroyed. |
Highendman, the only things I can think of are (1) the proper ramp down, dwell and ramp up timing protocol for LPs was not employed in your case for some reason, perhaps an error or (2) the LPs were exposed to excessive heat somehwere along the line during shipping/treatment. Did you discuss the damage with Cryo International and, if so, did they provide an explanation? |
"Did you discuss the damage with Cryo International and, if so, did they provide an explanation? "
I'm sure the only thing that would stop a company in the cryo business from cryoing anything the customer desires is the risk of a lawsuit.
The ability to do something and charge for it does not necessarily mean there is any benefit. |
