yuviarora the problem is actually this, and you're right we are not having a conversation, we cannot have a conversation because you reside in an alternate reality.
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@jond having a conversation with you is extremely hard, because you jump from one thing to another, not get to the truth of the situation, but to change the subject and win an argument. You are not a good faith actor. You are debating, trying to win, not trying to find out what’s true. That right there is the problem with most people today, they have been educated and brain washed into this very mindset. Cognitive Dissonance at it’s best. |
The association between hesitancy and education level followed a U-shaped curve with the 143 lowest hesitancy among those with a master’s degree (RR=0.75 [95% CI 0.72-0.78] and the 144 highest hesitancy among those with a PhD (RR=2.16 [95%CI 2.05-2.28]) or ≤high school 145 education(RR=1.88 [95%CI 1.83-1.93]) versus a bachelor’s degree.It is not a mystery that the most hesitant are the most educated or the most exploited and the victims... All the rest is mostly sheeps... Few years ago i go to a doctor and speaking about books he said to me that he had no time to read save scientific litterature... He give to me for proof a big pamplet with graphs... It was a publicity free pamphlet from pharma corporation... Sellers masquareding as scientist or using science for profit... The first three causes of deaths in america are heart disease first and cancer, malpractices and accidents are third.... But think about it: how many heart disease and cancer are induced by malpractice in medecine and agriculture and in pharmaceutical greed ? The main cause of death is probably science replaced or steer by greed.... 😁😊 |
@jond The association between hesitancy and education level followed a U-shaped curve with the 143 lowest hesitancy among those with a master’s degree (RR=0.75 [95% CI 0.72-0.78] and the 144 highest hesitancy among those with a PhD (RR=2.16 [95%CI 2.05-2.28]) or ≤high school 145 education(RR=1.88 [95%CI 1.83-1.93]) versus a bachelor’s degree. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full.pdf Here is the study. Please stop |
I predict this thread soon to be authoritative source for solution to defeat covid. Collating so many preeminate authorities within a single thread will certainly enlighten the ’quack’ scientific community. Guys, thank you for your service to humanity.Your answer is pathetic... You never answer to my argument: Massive vaccination of ALL and forced one CANNOT solve the problem WITHOUT early treatment ALSO... Then why is working early treatment censored and forbid by corporations/institutions in america? Why contrary to basic epidemiological science in the case of coronavirus who mutates greatly and are airborne transmissed, why not using basic low cost treatment for all and vaccinations for the compromised owner of weak immune system? This is 2 questions.... Not a "quack" solution to defeat covid...Think instead of devising strawman argument... And yes perhaps your shot in your body is a bad idea.... NOBODY knows...This is precisely the problem your blindness will evacuate with wiskey... |
I just read the Carnegie-Mellon study on vaccine hesitancy and oddly enough it does not mention PhD's at all it talks about different occupations and age groups but not education levels. From the study this is the only reference to education I see: "Final month (April 20-May 19) participants (N = 525,809) had a median age range of 35–44 years; 45.5% were male, 52.0% female, 1.3% non-binary, and 1.2% self-described gender; 16.7% were Hispanic, 68.8% White, 6.5% Black, 3.6% Asian, 0.9% Native American, 0.3% Pacific Islander, and 3.4% Multi-racial; 23.2% had ≤ high school education, 40.7% had ≥ four-year college; 13.4% lived in a non-core or micropolitan area, 50.4% lived in a large central or fringe metro area. Two-thirds (66.1%) worked for pay; half (50.6%) worked outside the home. Demographics were similar across all months (data not shown), including employment status. Compared to January, in May: 1.7% more participants reported working outside the home, while 1.2% fewer reported working at home, and 0.4% fewer reported not working for pay (eTable 2). " |
Dr Robert Malone, is the Inventor of the MRNA technology. After he spoke out against these vaccines, they scrubbed his wikipedia page, and deleted his linkedln profile. Yesterday......New England Journal of Medicine Blocked his IP Address from accessing their medical papers. Everyone that has come out against these vaccines has been publicly destroyed, all paid for by these big Pharmaceutical companies. |
I predict this thread soon to be authoritative source for solution to defeat covid. Collating so many preeminate authorities within a single thread will certainly enlighten the 'quack' scientific community. Guys, thank you for your service to humanity. And so, I too am headed to the bar, drink my sorrows away after being made aware of the devil's poison living within my body from vaccine. |
Peter McCullough appears to basically have no expertise in infectious diseases and a total self promoter.Vaxopedia... It is like wikipedia... where anybody with weights at his disposal adjust balance... Are you able to think by yourself? Did you know the dude who figure out how to solve most problems on earth and which put his money where is his mouth? Vaccination of the world... Bill Gates.... Complete ignoramus in science....A geek... And you trust his vaxopedia media more than a Doctor who himself devise with few others the early treatment response ... Trust the internet yes. AFTER brain work and BEFORE brain work not INSTEAD of brainwork... |
If that is your level or research....it explains a lot. You wanna show me his dik pics, and also tell me how tiny his penis is? The data he is citing is publicly available, he is citing 100's of other doctors that are also citing their own work, CDC's own statistics. That "ARTICLE" is a character assassination hit piece, tell me how he beats his wife while you are at it. They are not refuting anything he is saying, it's all about attacking the messenger. And yes, that 1st comment...cuts right to heart of these silly hit pieces, which are financed by the big Pharma companies. |
Audio has taken a back burner to this discussion, for I have been super glued. I've maybe contributed to two other thread starts in a weeks time. I don't have it in ME to give up on humanity, although maybe some had prayed I'd head over and PLAY in the kiddie pool. A shout out to those whom have contributed greatly. My hats off to you! And FINALLY some links I will open, instead of only cd318 This Train has Conductors.....and I'm just a passenger Regards |
Peter McCullough appears to basically have no expertise in infectious diseases and a total self promoter. https://vaxopedia.org/2021/05/08/did-a-highly-cited-doctor-say-that-the-government-is-scrubbing-covi... |
People with a PhDs are the most hesitant when it comes to getting the Covid-19 vaccine, according to a paper by researchers from Carnegie Mellon University and the University of Pittsburgh. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/americans-with-phds-are-most-reluctant-to-get-vaccinated-ag...@millercarbon yeah that video is a doozey, very hard to refute. |
Thanks again to mahgister and yuviarora for this most valuable of all links ever posted on this site, the MD McCullough video https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeutic-nihilism-and-trusted-treatments-vs-unt... not only for being the single most comprehensive source of information on the subject but for leading me to this Guide to Home Based Covid Treatment which I somehow never found before! https://faculty.utrgv.edu/eleftherios.gkioulekas/zelenko/aaps-Guide-to-Home-Based-Covid-Treatment.pd... One of the many good points he raises is every time the subject comes up we need to be saying the vaccines are unsafe and in fact even more harmful than the virus. I knew they were unsafe, but not that they are more deadly. Did not know they work by making your body manufacture a deadly protein. This is not anti-vaxx. This is just the facts of these particular vaccines. Everyone here should be thanking you guys for bringing this to our attention. Thanks again! |
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/aug/4/40-wild-deer-have-coronavirus-antibodies-new-study/ 40% of wild deer have coronavirus antibodies: study This pandemic had ended in January, we all have antibodies for this thing, everyone has been exposed. The vaccines have, however, created a situation where this next wave will be by far the most destructive one, and it by all accounts has already started. And yes, I’ll keep my life over fitting in at the office, any day, all day. Not that I worked at an office... but yeah. I'll stick to my convictions over going along to get along. I am not built like a drone... |
The vaccine, if you can even call it that, theoretically puts pressure on the virus, and forces it to mutate. Hence the Delta Variant. Much like antibiotics do to strains of bacteria and make them resistant. This is by all accounts a leaky vaccine, it does not sterilize the virus, does not stop transmission, and after a 2 month time period, drops in efficacy as well. (that is if you even trust the numbers being put out, which I don't) In all the previous animal testing with MRNA vaccines, animals showed robust antibody response, but after a few months suffered severe reactions to the wild virus after it was introduced to them. The vaccine caused an Anti Body Dependent Enhancement, the vaccine instead of strengthening the immune system did the complete opposite. ALL THE ANIMALS IN THE TESTING DIED. The vaccine turned off their anti inflammatory macrophage 2 response. This is not a conspiracy theory....THIS IS PUBLISHED RESEARCH. And this is what all the doctors, including Dr Robert Malone , Dr. McCullough, Dr Luc Montagnier and tens of thousands of other Doctors are saying. The side effects of the vaccine are induced in the short term, and the Long term......Variants being one of those side effects. . |
BTW jond I feel your pain on having a room too small for corner traps. I’m pretty lucky in that I have an upstairs bedroom that’s my stereo cave (stereo lab is more like it.) Integrating sound control devices in a small or multi use living space is tough. I’m not even going to tell you what I’m using for the corner traps on fear of truly being considered this threads title. |
Just watched a little of that video and at the end the “doctor” claims it was planned ahead of time, even getting death charts on CNN. Lotta mentally ill people running around. As the saying goes you’re entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. This is perhaps the lowest information thread I’ve read here. I think I leaned more in a a Kenjit post.YOu just throw the baby with the bath waters here... Planned event or not, the story of this doctor is clear as day....His observations on the front are meaningful...Dont cherry pick some fact here and judge all the video with this... By the way the event reenactment exercise paid by Gates is verifiable truth...The remdesivir and intubation policy of Fauci in hospital is true... This did not means there is a conspiracy...This only prove total greed and stupidity.... We need an official criminal inquiry to prove that there was conspiracy....Criminal activities here tough makes no doubt save for sheeps and children... Dont throw the baby with the bath waters.... Use your brain not your ready made opinion about conspiracies... Dont mock other poster which are not here by the way, kenjit, me or others... |
Just watched a little of that video and at the end the “doctor” claims it was planned ahead of time, even getting death charts on CNN. Lotta mentally ill people running around. As the saying goes you’re entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts. This is perhaps the lowest information thread I’ve read here. I think I leaned more in a a Kenjit post. |
Here is the problem with anecdotal evidence, I’ve had bouts of vertigo off and on throughout my life. I’ve been fully vaccinated since March 22nd, since then not a single bout of vertigo. See how that works?Go to VAERS... think... rethink about long term "possible" consequences which are unknown... And anecdote dont count , too much anecdotes draw a story... my main argument is not anecdotes tough...Not even the mass of anecdotes about adverse events.. My main argument is the evident criminal stupidity of promoting MASS vaccination for a MUTATING AT HIGH SPEED coronavirus and at the same times erasing and censoring low cost effective EARLY treatment that works... Ponder that, instead of debating about adverse events claculus.... VAXX+ treatment= rationality Mass forced vaxx only = working stupidity if it is a mutating virus |
At 15:28 Kostoff statistical analysis shows that for every age group one is more likely to die from the vaccine than from the virus! https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeutic-nihilism-and-trusted-treatments-vs-unt... as of Sept 24th the vaccines have killed 16k people. |
After almost 900 posts on this messed up threadMessing up a thread is saying something that is not an argument but an untruthful qualification... You post mess this thread... Other posts of people with a different perspective than mine at least presented some arguments...They constituted the thread by participation.... Your post is only your "feeling"... We dont need to espress it to mess the thread if you had no arguments... |
Here is the problem with anecdotal evidence, I've had bouts of vertigo off and on throughout my life. I've been fully vaccinated since March 22nd, since then not a single bout of vertigo. See how that works? dabel I am very sorry to hear of your wifes struggles vertigo is seriously debilitating and bless her for being a teacher. |
I dont know if Dr. McCullough is right... But it is not an armchair bureaucrat doctor here... If he is wrong it will not be because he lied... At least... Myself i trust him completely... Before taking this vaxx or not i read 3 months non stop.... No need to impose my decision to others... But when i see criminal activities i must speak out... |
If you watch nothing else skip to 5:10 listen and study the slide, it shows exactly how both forms of vaccine (not just mRNA, both) result in the body making the deadly spike protein. https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeutic-nihilism-and-trusted-treatments-vs-unt... Say again, the result of being vaccinated is your body produces a deadly protein. |
Somewhere in between are the ones left who write history.Dont believe the factual small history.... It is a fable.... Most facts are distorted or wrong... Look at consciousness history at a more high scale... Truth is there without robe... Those who wrote small history are the victorious it is very well known...Not the best man or the worst.... The victorious... Go in the street of America and ask them which one invented almost all electrified America by itself? The answer will no be a Serbo- Croatian immigrate coming from France with the false promises of Edison.... Small history is a pack of half truths.... Many americans think that Robert Gallo is co-discover of the HIV virus with Montagnier because the dispute was resolved diplomatically between France president and US president...The truth proven by inquiry says Gallo is a thief...A friend of Fauci by the way.... Here we are with 2 pandemies and the 2 same arch enemy at 40 years of distance face one another again ....Fascinating story indeed... Do we solve scientific fact and truth by politic agreeement or papal decision like in the Montagnier Gallo case? Asking the question is answeering it... The greater history reveal truth .... No conspiracy here, only the same criminal thieves lying.... It is simple to verify about Tesla.... The life of Tesla like Archimedes life, or like Ramanujan life is unbeliveable but true... People cannot believe extraordinary events man or extraordinary science... Our room are walls who protect us from the extraordinary.... I just realize that i "pontificate" here ....Sorry for my imperfect character.... Oups! Sorry... |
Dabel (and everyone else!) you seriously need to watch this video. Not just watch- study! https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeutic-nihilism-and-trusted-treatments-vs-unt... There is a tremendous amount of information here, including answers to your questions. I am not going to search through for the exact parts, you need to do the work yourself. These "vaccines" will go down in history as the greatest hysteria and health debacle ever. Listen closely and don't be afraid to pause and study and repeat certain sections- I did, and I am health care, science informed to the max and know all the terms. Even so he delivers it fast enough I had to stop and go back a few times. There are slides showing exactly how the mRNA vaccines work- how they make deadly spike proteins- and what those deadly spike proteins can do. It is not all gloom and doom, there is a treatment flowchart so good I saved it as a screenshot. Hey man this is your wife and your life, do with it what you will. Maybe your heart to heart talk was just that, hearts. But if your brains are involved this talk is the data you need to understand everything that is going on. Yes everything. But he doesn't get to that until the very end. |
Mahgister, are you a bot? Are you sure?i will let you decide.... Asking the question say more about you than about me... Beware when you ask a question to someone... And why are you troubled by discussions here? Instead of saying that i am a bot....Say at least something true... Someone above say that sometimes i "pontificate"... I give it his credit.... be wise if you can.... |
And my point above was that those who chart an intentional course to become martyrs, sincere or stubborn-it doesnt matter which, typically pay a high price.Your perspective are very interesting indeed.... I eat tacos with you ....They are delicious indeed... And suddenly it seems clear to me that you are right about stubborn or martyr decision makers who pay the price... But ostrichs in the sand and sheeps walking in pack are other part also of this story... Sometimes others make decision for us....And we let them doing it mute.... |
I'll add some facts or possible non facts about vaccination. As my wife and I were discussing life this morning, she brought to my attention the vertigo symptoms that put her a$$ in the ER three weeks ago, I DROVE HER. She spent two days undergoing tests.....She's fine, but still feeling odd but lightly reacurring symptoms. She looks at me, Gene, I do ponder "has the vaccine contributed to my vertigo symptoms." I look back at her and SAY, Hmm.....as we discuss further. Sure, she had a choice on the vaccination but that woman has worked so diligently teaching the middle school young, it was a no brainer. Who am I to tell her NO. But has she put her HEALTH in jeopardy in the process??? We all make choices, right and wrong You see, I try and speak from experience. |
And my point above was that those who chart an intentional course to become martyrs, sincere or stubborn-it doesnt matter which, typically pay a high price. Korean War era Marine Corp father, when not using their sons to sharpen their pugilistic skills, would often discuss “is this the hill you will die on or is this the hill you are choosing to die on”. I listened carefully to both he and my Medal of Honor Godfather when they discussed decision making. “Make decisions as if the stakes are high so that when the stakes are high you will know how to make decisions.” Tacos anyone? |
The Gish gallop is a rhetorical technique in which a debater attempts to overwhelm an opponent by excessive number of arguments, without regard for the accuracy or strength of those arguments.Sometimes truth only need common sense and a bit of reason... Why EARLY low cost treatments used worldwide with success has been censored here? It is not an argument.... It is a question... But beware, asking it makes of it a possible concrete argument in the fictive narrative of the corporations.... |
This has been proven false, he did not say it. What he seems to actually be saying is that mass vaccination is bad because vaccines cause virus’s to mutate, that is as far as I know true to a certain extent it’s not the same thing as him saying the vaccines don’t work.Good post...Malone say the same thing than Montagnier and Vanden Bossche about virus evolutive mutating pressure...Saying that they are anticaxx is a lie by the facts chekers working for google... By the way for those who loose their job, google need fact chekers...It is very simple to do apply... 😁😊 But the Atlantic piece article distort completely what Malone is and say...Typical desinformation... You are perfectly right for the rest...... |
The long term affects of Covid are quite well known. The case of Robert Malone is a curious one here's a good writeup of him in The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/6... And there seems to be a lot of confusion over what Luc Montagnier really said he did not say as is attributed to him: "Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier has confirmed that there is no chance of survival for people who have received any form of the vaccine," the post says. "In the shocking interview, the world’s top virologist stated blankly: ‘There is no hope and no possible treatment for those who have been vaccinated already. We must be prepared to incinerate the bodies.’ The scientific genius backed claims of other pre-eminent virologists after studying the constituents of the vaccine. ‘They will all die from antibody dependent enhancement. Nothing more can be said.’" This has been proven false, he did not say it. What he seems to actually be saying is that mass vaccination is bad because vaccines cause virus's to mutate, that is as far as I know true to a certain extent it's not the same thing as him saying the vaccines don't work. However his statement that deaths have followed vaccinations in every country is false. |
I see the same four or five posters pontificating ad nauseam, on endless repeat.You are right and i recognize your accusation of "pontification"...I sometimes pontificate.... 😁😊 A bad habit coming from my years with students...I am not without defect...I am glad to say you are right when you are....It is also part of my character...Take note of it.... You offer up information culled from sources self determined as delivering truth. You never question your sources, any and all opposing sources subjected to character assassination.But here you describe yourself not me... Sorry.... The one who question his source read not only mainstream information like most people who take the vaxx obligation like it was a natural thing to do, the one who question consensus read ALL possible opinions even Robert Kennedy or Geert vanden Bossche and not only Fauci... The one who insult in his first move those who think differently are the one who laugh with " conspiracy theorist" labelling accusation, not me.... Try to debunk Geert vanden Bossche confront his knowledge with what Fauci say...It is called thinking... 1+1=2 https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/ |