Cerious Technologies NEW Graphene Cables

I agree with @ozzy
The GE speaker cables has been excellent in my system as well. I always wonder what would better the GEs.

Same here, I have to agree with @ozzy and @debjit_g , the best speaker cables I have heard, including a 4K pair.

I’m interested in testing the Graphene speaker cables. I’m also interested in the the Duelund DCA16GA or DCA12GA. Which one should I try first? How about Graphene speaker cables made with Duelund wire?

@c_avila1 

Either one you go with first is fine as both are accepted as exceptional cables for the money. You bring up an interesting idea about using the Duelund in Bob's cables. I've wondered this before as well in regards to his power cables in using some of the Furutech wire that's been out lately. But I know the price would be much higher and for what amount of gain to be had may not be worth it as Bob's pc's are already great performers. 

The Duelund however may not be as expensive to try in the speaker cables.  His sc's are some of the best out there right now so why mess with a good thing but this would be an interesting experiment to see how his technique with the graphene works with the Duelund. 

@rgrost 
Any thoughts on this Bob?

I totally agree and I have been saying since May 2016 that the Cerious Technologies Graphene speaker cables are very good, with a huge bang for the buck value. Very professionally made, 100% finished and a good looking speaker cable.
With that said I made a pair of 12' Duelund DCA 16 gauge speaker cables and a pair of 10' Heavy duty Western Electric 10 gauge cloth speaker cables. All connections in my DIY speaker cables are made with bare wire. They don't look nearly as good as the Cerious Technologies Graphene speaker cables but the cost was a lot less than $80 a pair. All three pair of speaker cables sound excellent and I honestly can't tell which cable sounds better. 

https://www.sciencealert.com/graphene-levy-flights-limitless-power-future-electronic-devices
Interesting article about Graphene. 

@bg1968 thanks for the above post!

Hello everybody and Happy Cyber Monday! Well...you have asked for it and they are finally here. I take great pride in introducing Graphene Matrix, our all out assault on audio nirvana.
I developed Graphene Extreme as a hobby to better design loudspeakers and thanks to all of you they became a hit. Graphene Matrix is a serious (Cerious...) product that I am very proud of. When I began the development of this product I frankly did not know how much Graphene Extreme could be improved. Even I was surprised at the difference.
You cannot compare the "sound" of each as my goal of a cable with no inherent sound - only transparency - has been successful. Graphene Matrix simply gives you - more.
I noticed first the difference in background vocals and harmonic textures. The background vocals were not one blended chorus but individual and distinct voices floating in space.Recording after recording was met with "I never heard that before!'. Of course I am biased, but would never sell anything not worth its cost. The GM are very labor intensive and I price everything by its intrinsic value (what it costs to manufacture) not its comparative value (it costs $100 to make but other high end cables cost $4000 so we will charge $4000...).
I want as many as possible to be able to experience Graphene Matrix so I have included in our pricing a 100% trade in value on our Graphene Extreme - no matter how long you have owned them. If it has been recently purchased we will even pay for return shipping so you will have enjoyed GE for free. In this way I can show how much I appreciate my customer's business. Ads are up on Audiogon and we have our new website up and running. Drop me a line or just post questions. Very proud and man I need a nap!
Bob Grost
CT

Sounds very interesting!
I look forward to hearing more about the products.

Oh my! Would you take two GE cables in for trade for one Matrix cable?

Hi everybody! We are getting buried with emails so please be patient I will get to EVERYBODY so keep the faith and thanks again!
Bob G
CT

Anyone got their Matrix yet ? very eager to hear the difference in the speaker cable.

There’s another thread where people are sharing their experiences with the the Matrix cables:

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/new-cerious-technologies-upgrade-graphene-matrix-cables?page=...

I want to publicly say that I like the new, improved Cerious Technologies website. Much easier to understand and use.
Bob, good job!

So lak, how many did you order?

ozzy

Are you both going to use the new Cerious Matrix powercords with the Deep Core?

aniwolfe,

Yes, if it is ever produced...

ozzy

@ozzy, I ordered one pair of the Matrix Interconnects. I'm very interested to hear how one pair sounds in my system before I bust any moves ;-)!

@aniwolfe could be but I have a variety of power cords I can audition. Just patiently waiting to see if and when the Deep Core will ship...for real?

Hoping someone here can help, since I am getting no response with emails to Graphene cables. Sounds like a great product but would be nice to be able to speak to someone there. Anyway, I am trying to place an order for the graphene extreme speaker cables but the description on the site says 4 pieces. Does that mean bi-wire or 4 individual cables? I am mono wiring and only need a pair. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Also makes me reluctant to purchase from someone that doesn't respond to emails. Thanks...

4 individual cables.  A + and - for  the L and R sides.

Responses continue to be a problem.

Thanks!

Hi everyone, Bob from Cerious. We got swamped with the new Graphene Matrix and have neglected the Graphene Extreme blog - but no more! I apologize for the lack of response and now that my son is fully up to speed am getting caught up. I want to let everyone know that we are getting a lot of 8 foot sets of GE speaker cables back in trade. We go over each set cleaning them up and getting them back to close to as new condition. So if you are interested please let us know. They are an incredible deal at $649 set new, but an even better deal at $499 set including shipping within the US! Let us know!
BG
CT

Bob that's great to hear! I sent 2 emails asking if you had any trade-in pairs available and got no response. I was ready to purchase a set but have moved on...

rgrost,

Bob,

A superior product will always be in demand. And yours is not only a great product but is priced very competitively compared to all the "High End" cable companies.
Hopefully your son will learn a good life lesson in the process.

P.S. I still want to try your power cables someday.

ozzy

Just to let everyone know I have pulled all the ads for the trade in Graphene Extreme. All I got was questions, questions, questions with "customers" (you really cannot call someone a customer who never buys anything) trying to finagle a deal. "How much is shipping for the GE power cord?". "$8.00...that is great...I will take it". "Oh BTW I live in South Korea and $8.00 shipping is great. I didn't mention I live in Korea when I asked for shipping costs because I didn't see how it was relevant...". "Oh BTW, we use Schuko connectors here...I assume these come with Schuko connectors. If not you will have to pull the connectors off of these and put on new Schuko connectors before you send them to me." I was spending more time dealing with stuff like this than filling Matrix orders. No more...totally fed up. I will give it to friends for free. I will still gladly accept orders for new Graphene Extreme. If you are a repeat customer talk to me and I will take care of you on the trade ins (Not for FREE, though...). Sorry to vent but OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@rgrost sorry to hear of the Graphene resale hassles.
What a shame, they are an excellent product and a very good used price.
Yes, some day I'll be ordering a Matrix power cord and speaker cables.

stunning discourse! had to chime in on this one. especially given the note on how these escalated performance over SR Apex and or Tesla. having had the Apex and not been absolutely floored by their influence, I'll admit they were a strong performer and decent value at the time. getting off the sR additive wiring is a cool thing too.

am looking forward to the opportunity to check out any of this new line up by Mr. Gross.

@blindjim ,

you will not regret the decision to try the Matrix line. Let us know what you think.

I was an early adopter of Bob's cables and always thought he offered affordable cables with solid performance.  I recently decided to start building a secondary tube system and decided to go back to Cerious and try out his Graphene Extreme power cord.  I'm glad I did.  The improvement over his previous Nano Signatures is not subtle, stark improvement across the board.  It's a very good power cord for digital sources, in my case a Lumin A1.

Tuneful bass, smooth treble, separation, depth, extended highs, rich mid-range, dynamics, it's all there, but most importantly makes my Avantgarde Zero 1's sound natural and engaging with lifelike tactile images.  You feel the music with the Extremes and the pace is so nice to follow, not garbled up or disjointed in any way.
I'm impressed, and at the current price is a no-brainer.  All the previous posts are spot on, these are super bang for your buck.  Great job Bob!

Thanks shawbros3. As you can tell I think very highly of Bob's cables.

ozzy

I have a spare 5ft Blue GE power cable for sale if anybody is interested.

I got my pair of Graphene Matrix Speaker Cables today.
First impressions, wow what a friggin beast.  When I first opened the box I thought the cables were pretty thick but reminded me of old MIT music hose cables I had 20 years in terms of diameter.  Then I realized each cable was for 1/2 (positive or negative) of one channel.  Geez.  The cables alone weigh 31 lbs according to Bob.
I've only had the opportunity to listen to a couple of CDs while they break in on white noise.  I put on a Jackson Browne IEM bootleg I have to start.  The bass response from my Hansen Prince speakers using Bob's cables literally shook my chair and the room where my system is for now SUCKS for bass response (open on one side and 23 foot ceilings).  Like I said, I( need to burn them in, and need to spend more time listening but I'm a big believer in first impressions.  These cables just seem to get out of the way and all you hear is music.
Ian
P.S. Thumbs up to all of you on the Agon forums.  I would never had heard of CT had I not read about the cables here.  Thanks to Bob Grost for top notch service.  More to follow.

ihmeyers,

Congratulations!
If you haven't already, you need to continue adding the Matrix cables throughout. Each additional (interconnect, power cords etc.) just keeps improving the overall sonic landscape.

ozzy

t_ramey,
How much for the power cord?

Ozzy,
I have the cables burning in on the cable cooker and will (hopefully) have time to evaluate on Friday.
As far as buying more CT cables, I want to get a handle on how everything sounds first. I have some pretty expensive cables in the system now. I’m not saying that the CT cables might not be better but I have maxed out my audio budget for the time being (just bought a pair of Hansen Prince V2 as well) so I will tread lightly.
Listened briefly yesterday and thought the CT cables had sounded better the previous day but that’s not unusual when you’re breaking things in. Especially since Friday I was breaking them in with music before I decided to switch them to the cooker.
I see more CT in my future.

Regards,Ian

ihmeyers,

I understand. I have changed my components a few times lately but the Cerious Matrix cabling is staying put. Not just because they make the music sound great but overall they're not that inexpensive.

I have never heard the Hansen's, but I have read good things about them in reviews. Are they still making speakers?

ozzy

Yes Hansen is still making speakers.  You'd hardly know it because it's virtually impossible to reach them.
They came out with a Prince V3 about 2 years ago.  I bought these V2 speakers sight unseen having never heard them because I've never seen a bad review.  The fact that Lyric in NY was a dealer helped me decide as well.  I think I got a pretty good deal on them (less than $20k, retail is $40k) and they look virtually new.  I think it was meant to be because I couldn't wire someone I don't know that much money but an audio dealer friend of mine was in NY, paid for them and had them shipped to Florida and I paid him.  They're really good, IMHO on par with Wilson Alexias.  I had Wilson Duettes before this and I really liked them.  I wanted Alexias but couldn't find any for less than mid $20k.  They also have good WAF compared to some other speakers I was looking at that were much taller and the wife hated.
The CT cables should work well with the Hansens.

I let the GM cables break-in for 100 hrs on the cable cooker while I tended to clients this week. After three stressful days of presentations to my largest client, finally got to reinstall and listen to my GM speaker cables.

 

All I can say is WOW. There are no longer speakers in my room, just music. First time I have ever experienced something like that in my system. CD after CD, all I hear is music. Performers enter and exit my listening room, Jackson Browne, Frank Sinatra, Michael Feinstein, Fleetwood Mac, Bruce Hornsby. I can hear every nuance, every chord played, every inflection of a vocalists voice. On the live recordings I don’t merely hear the audience, I discern almost every pair of hands clapping. Everything is cut from the same cloth, you hear fundamentals and overtones like they sound in live music. There is detail but real detail, not audiophile etched detail that you never hear listening to live music.

 

I can’t recommend these cables highly enough. While I haven’t heard some of the ultra expensive cables out there I’d venture the GM will hold their own against anything up to $10k. I guess now I have to start thinking about the CT interconnects and power cables as well.

I have owned or demo’ed many of the ultra $$$ cables, and in my opinion, the Cerious Matrix is the best.
Enjoy!
Ken

Listened to the GM cables in my system for a little while yesterday and today.  They didn't sound quite as good as they did on Friday when they were straight off the cable cooker.  Since they are still just 10 days old I am assuming they are still burning in and haven't fully settled.  I've had cables go through good/bad/better stages before.  I'm just a little surprised because I would have thought 4 days on the cooker would be a complete burn-in.  Maybe not.  I will report back.

ihmeyers, you just need to give your cables more time in your system while listening to music, they are great cables and will eventiually settle in.

Thanks lak.  I really like them.  I was just surprsied that after sounding amazing right off the cooker they sounded not quite as good 2 days later.  I am guessing burn-in is not complete.  I've had them playing music for the past 2 days straight.
How many hrs post 100 hr cable cooker burn-in would you think they'd need to settle?

I find that whenever the cables are moved it takes some time for them to resettle again. Afterall they do have some ceramic/graphene probably in a pasty form inside.

ozzy

I will chime in shortly on the Matrix. Fantastic cable 

You’re not talking about “graphene” in a liquid - you’re talking about “carbon” atoms. Individual atoms do “not” have graphene properties! Let’s get real in this thread. 

ptss,

Not sure what you are saying. Bob has a process of adding a slurry that coats the wiring with liquid ceramic and I believe the graphene is added to that slurry. If I am wrong about this please someone correct me.

And, I have purchased Graphene Oxide in a liquid form.

ozzy

Graphene oxide. Now, that’s a scam. Now you can buy two and three layer Graphene powder for chump change. Don’t get suckered by the Graphene oxide.

@ozzy .  You’re joking- right Ozzy :). Liguid  Graphene (unobtanium) in Liquid Ceramic -clay. And I know - Bob’s your uncle. We have an old saying. BS,MS and PhD. You’ve definitely got it Piled Higher n Deeper. 

In the old days good folks would call people like you idiots and you’re uncle Bob charlatans. Good old days-monkeys called what they were. You may call me Honest-just like Abe:) 

@lak. Are you on the payroll for this company. Do you have any idea about graphene. Or are you in the Fantasyland part of Disney World. Just respond to 2 questions to verify you’re not a spambot