Now, this is not a advertisement, just a posting sharing my experience on some well made great sounding cables at a very reasonable price. Besides, I don't think Cerious Technologies is set up for a big influx of cable orders.
But, if you get the chance to try these cables, please do.
I have been interested in the newer cables coming out that are using Graphene as a conductor. SR cables seemed interesting, but I always hated the way there cables had all those extra wires (with the active shields and such). I then noticed an ad early in I think November or December from Cerious Technologies for Graphene cables. I investigated how the cables were assembled and it seemed like quite a laborious process.
I ordered (with a 30 day money back guarantee) the balanced Graphene interconnects, and boy did they impress me. Such depth, soundstage, realism, frequency smoothness, effortless sound. I was truly impressed! I now have a complete loom of the Cerious Technologies Graphene cables. That is; interconnects, speaker cables, digital cables and power cords.
I ended up selling all of my other cables and to those of you who have read my postings know that cables have always been my curiosity.
So, as I began this post, let me again iterate, I have no alliance to the company, my posting is for those of you looking for an great alternate high quality Graphene made cable without spending a fortune.
I applaud you, Bob, for your post. Most people wouldn't venture into that territory due to the overemphasis that's been done in the name of sound staging all these years. I used to think it was one of the end alls to all end alls and thankfully, reason stepped in.
As long as the tone, timbre, separation (think delineation) air and ambience are in order, along with proper extension (both ways), and the ability to scale dynamically, then you need not more.
I've found that as long as my vision is occluded, everything is fine. One must stop looking at one's system and just listen to it.
charles1dad 4,762 posts 06-27-2016 1:07pm Yes, I note the language and I don't view it as a "miracle " supplement by any means. However for its very modest cost it seems to be a worthwhile product for some users (such as pas). I realize that I've gotten off topic.
I can see it now. They'll be giving out free samples of Ginko Giloba at CES.
Yes, I note the language and I don't view it as a "miracle " supplement by any means. However for its very modest cost it seems to be a worthwhile product for some users (such as pas). I realize that I've gotten off topic. Charles,
Some of the comments found in the U. of Maryland article seem somewhat favorable in terms of (possible) medical benefits however improved hearing is actually not one of them. Sorry to disappoint. Note frequent use of the term "may help" in the comments.
Overview
Ginkgo (Ginkgo biloba) is one of the oldest living tree species. It is also one of the best-selling herbal supplements in the United States and Europe.
Ginkgo has a long history of use in treating blood disorders and memory issues. It is best known today as way to potentially keep your memory sharp. Laboratory studies have shown that ginkgo improves blood circulation by opening up blood vessels and making blood less sticky. It is also an antioxidant.
For those reasons, ginkgo may improve vein and eye health. Although not all studies agree, ginkgo may help treat dementia (including Alzheimer disease) and intermittent claudication, or poor circulation in the legs. It may also protect memory in older adults.
Ginkgo leaves contain flavonoids and terpenoids, which are both antioxidants. In your body, harmful particles called free radicals build up as you age, and may contribute to heart disease, cancer, and Alzheimer disease. Antioxidants like those found in ginkgo fight off free radicals, and stop them from damaging DNA and other cells."
Pas, I've googled a number of articles discussing ginkgo including a report from the University of Maryland Medical Center that's quite favorable. It seems that ginkgo has numerous medical benefits (primarily due to its positive circulatory effects ). Thanks for bringing this interesting product to my attention. I'll do further reading. Charles,
I'm not against taking Ginkgo Biloba tablets however I would recommend anyone thinking about taking it google the possible sideeffects and/or consult your physican, espically if you are being treated for hypertension or have a heart issue.
I am really please with the 6 CT GE power cords on my system and waiting for the IC's and speaker cables to arrive. Overall, the presentation of the music becomes less artificial and electronic sounding. The music takes on more deeply colorful tone and more realistic timbral textures. The music also becomes more naturally integrated in sound and time and more compellingly musical in the way live music is. Here is a tip to you all. Take Ginkgo Biloba tablets for the micro circulation of blood flow on the ear organ (including body and brain) . Blood brings nutrients and oxygen to the ear organ. It is also good for tinnitus or ringing in the ears and it is a blood thinner. It work for me, by improving hearing acuity. The best is Ginkgold brand made in Germany and distributed by Natural Way.
I have 3 pairs of the GE rca ic's, and a digital rca cable. The rca connectors fit very tight on my gear. I found that if the rca's are not pushed all the way in, which is easy to happen, the soundstage flattens and images can be off centered. I had the flat soundstage when the rca's were not pushed all the way in.I was getting off centered imaging when the left cable was not fully inserted and the right one was correctly inserted. The left cable was something like a half millimeter, or less, in difference than the right cable. For me, it takes a very good amount of push to get the rca's to fit properly all the way in. They don't easily slip on and off like other cables. But I think that may be one of the reasons for the excellent sound, the very tight and secure connection of the rca's.
Bob, awesome post. I want to clarify, in no way did anything sound bad, just a little different. As far as detail, tone, texture, these cables are very very good. I have the cable running but will not be able to hear anything new for the next few days because my wife's aunt is staying with us and she has taken over my man cave (that is where she sleeping). So if they leave the house, I can sneak some more listening in. In the mean time, I have things running with the volume turned to zero. Oh, and yes I did have my speakers toed in, I will move them first chance I get.
What Bobs says is true. If you had your speakers toed in before try moving them out with less toe in. Mine are not toed in very much and I think the soundstage is massive.
Bob from Cerious...I first want to say that music is a personal experience and that everyone has to find what makes them happy - so in no way throwing stones here. Having taught Recording Science and Acoustic Theory at the University level what you are hearing from our cables is an accurate description - everything will be behind the speakers. Human beings have the ability to judge distance based on sound. I am afraid to say that the only way something can sound closer than it really is - like music coming "out into the room" - is if there is a distortion in the time domain that interferes with this mechanism. You can "open up" the soundstage by spreading out the speakers and towing them to point out more into the room which will add the sense of space. Our cables are capable of a very 3D presentation but it starts in a plane even with the speakers and extends back behind them. If you think of an orchestral recording, most mic placements are directly behind the conductor and elevated. The microphones are the window into this performance and your speakers are reproducing what the microphones "hear". Does the conductor ever hear the orchestra moved out into the house so he is immersed into the middle of the orchestra? No. He hears a group of musicians that start about ten feet away and go away from him in a coherent soundstage. This extends to individual instruments, too. If you picture a saxophone player standing in front of a mic and playing speakers will be the reference point of the mic and the player will be the same distance behind the speakers that they are standing away from the mic if everything is "accurate". Now we get down to the REAL deal. We have to be happy and enjoy our systems. Everyone desires to experience things differently. If this were not true there would only be one set of speakers in the marketplace. Live with the cables a while and play with your setup and see if you grow to like the different perspective. You may find it grows on you. You also may want your old sound back. In that case send the cables back for a full refund! I want you to enjoy your music - that is why we are all here (right?...am I right?..anybody?). Thanks everybody and I hope this post was not controversial. Enjoy...
kclone, I'm guessing you received the power cords and interconnects at the same time and installed them all the same day? I'm just wondering what the culpert is, power cords or interconnects? Additional hours might make an improvement as ozzy mentioned. Please keep us posted.
well not sure. still early but am a little concerned about lack of a 3D staging with most of the recordings so far. The stage for the most part is behind the speakers and seemingly in a single plane. Vocals are behind the speakers too, I'm not used that. Plus, it lacks vertical height. The tone and detail are good, but I just can't get over the physical stage presentation, everything seems constricted and on a flat plain and only behind and between the speakers. The other cables I had before putting in the CT GE put the sound out in all directions, out in the room, depth, height, and width.
They will get better over time. I think its because of the slurry that Bob puts inside it needs to settle. But I thought they sounded pretty good right away. What do you think of the cables?
So I received the Power Conditioning PC, amp power cord, and one for my DAC. I also have the RCA IC's, two sets, one from my DAC to my pre and one from my pre to power amp. I have only been playing music for an hour in a half. From reading the thread, I take it these do not change much over time?
Hey, Bob, did you happen to see the men's final at the French Open? Both Murray and Djokovich were using Head Graphene racquets. What are the odds? Gotta be at least 2 to 1.
Bob From Cerious...since so many read this forum I figure this will be fastest. I got my shipment of AC connectors today from Japan and 1/2 were supposed to be Gold plated (for the Red power cords) and 1/2 Rhodium for the Blue and Yellow. Got all Gold. They screwed up! Am awaiting word on how fast they can get me the right connectors. Eddy your AC cords are done so you will be taken care of right away! I will keep you posted and don't start your own business (unless it is names Apple...). Thanks everybody and do appreciate the patience. Bob
I have had many private emails as to my power arrangement. So here it is;
I am using a HiDiamond P4 to power my PS P-10 generator. Out of the P10 I am using the balanced power cord CPT 300 into a power strip. My Digital components and Preamp are plugged into that power strip using the CT Graphene cables. My Pass Labs Amp runs straight to the wall with the CT Graphene power cable.
I have 3 dedicated lines. All using 10 gauge wire with Furutech outlets. One line is for the PS Audio, the 2nd for my Amp and the third for my JL Audio F-113 subs.
The power strip I am using is a DIY version that uses Military spec silver/copper 10 gauge wire directly wired to Oyaide outlets. The IEC inlet is Furutech. The box itself is thick aluminum.
Audiolabyrnith, My main system is a loom of HFC, minus the speaker cables, and amp power cord. My secondary system is a mix of CT GE, HFC, HiDimond and CPT 300. It is a challenge moving cables around to audition them with the HFC, and I'm tired of doing that, but I have cables where I want them as far as I'm conserned.
Larry, that is interesting, we're you running a complete loom of the high fidelity cable's?, are you getting better performance for your system by mixing the 3 brand's?, I can imagine that trying to move each cable to each position until your impression's was satisfied was frustrating?
Dear Philip, I am using the GE high current (blue) with the Exactpower 15A -- from wall outlet to the Exactpower. I have tried both, and the GE blue collar works better (more natural detail and dynamics) with the Exactpower than the GE power conditioner (yellow collar) cord. The wall outlet receptacles are Pass & Seymour 5362A Extra Hard Use cryoed receptacles purchased from Dave Elledge (Pi Audio). Harvey
@unchilled hi Harvey, are you using the GE high current(blue collar) PC or the GE conditioning(yellow) PC running into your Exactpower? have you tried using the yellow collar conditioning PC before? just to clarify, thanks! -philip
Audiolabyrinth, Yes. I attached the CPT 300 to a power strip (in my secondary system) and powered my Transport, Dac, and FM tuner and get great results. There are some CT GE power cords that run off the power strip as well as some high end HFC power cords.
@hieukm -- I'd suggest you call Bob, though as infection notes he will eventually reply to your e-mail. His high current Graphene Extreme power cord is excellent with both my Exactpower 15A AC regenerator/conditioner as well as my tube linestage preamp.
After reading this thread, i have decided to order several Cerious cable from Bob. However, he has not responded to my emails in the last 7 days. Has anyone managed to communicate with him recently? Should i give him a call?
I'm with lancelock regarding his praise of Bob's power cords and interconnects. I too am ordering a pair of the Graphene Extreme speaker cables to go between my amps (either Keith Herron mono blocks updated to M1a or Antique Sound Lab 1006-845's) and Green Mountain Eos HX speakers.
In case anyone's interested I just listed an entire loom of the previous generation Cerious cables here on A'gon for sale. I went with monoblocks and can't use the current lengths. They sounded great with a spectral amp.
Hi Calloway, your statement concerning me is inadequate at best, I am very open minded to what's possible in audio, I'm glad you like and enjoy ct extreme graphene cable's, I'm sure I will to😁, however, to be clear, I already own cable's better than the high fidelity cable's, I hope I can do what you have done, these ct graphene cable's are better and pocket thousands to spend else where in my system, I did see your sales listening of your hf cable's, if anything I can say to you Calloway, congratulations, awesome 😎
I have on order two RCA IC's and 3 power cords, one PC for power amp, one for preamp and one for the power conditioner. I didn't order the speaker cables because I am very happy with the WE 14 gage speaker cables that were touted on Jeff Day's blog. But with the positive impressions of the Cerious speaker cables in this thread, it has me thinking about them.
I used to own Synergistic Research Element CTS speaker cables and upgraded to SR Atmosphere Level 4 last year. I recently purchased Cerious GE speaker cables and I find them a tad better than the Atmosphere Level 4. The Cerious cables present highs better without being shrill. Instruments like triangles were missing until I changed to the Cerious GE cables. I also notice more punch and grunt in the lower frequencies.
When you consider the Atmosphere Level 4 cables are at least 2 steps up from your SR Tungsten cables and the Cerious GE cables are better than Atmosphere Level 4, I believe you'll be happy with the Cerious GE cables.
Once I heard how good the Cerious GE speaker cables were I also switched to Cerious GE power cables (yellow) for my pair of Devialets and my Aurender music server/streamer and a digital RCA cable to connect my 2 Devialets together. I'm delighted with the results as it took the system up another notch.
Wait til you see the craftsmanship of the Cerious cables. It'll make you wonder why companies like SR charge so much for their cables.
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