@calloway I agree 100% Bob helped me out a few times also he is a pleasure to deal with and a very nice man. Not to mention a hell of an engineer.
Cerious Technologies NEW Graphene Cables
Now, this is not a advertisement, just a posting sharing my experience on some well made great sounding cables at a very reasonable price. Besides, I don't think Cerious Technologies is set up for a big influx of cable orders.
But, if you get the chance to try these cables, please do.
I have been interested in the newer cables coming out that are using Graphene as a conductor. SR cables seemed interesting, but I always hated the way there cables had all those extra wires (with the active shields and such). I then noticed an ad early in I think November or December from Cerious Technologies for Graphene cables. I investigated how the cables were assembled and it seemed like quite a laborious process.
I ordered (with a 30 day money back guarantee) the balanced Graphene interconnects, and boy did they impress me. Such depth, soundstage, realism, frequency smoothness, effortless sound. I was truly impressed! I now have a complete loom of the Cerious Technologies Graphene cables. That is; interconnects, speaker cables, digital cables and power cords.
I ended up selling all of my other cables and to those of you who have read my postings know that cables have always been my curiosity.
So, as I began this post, let me again iterate, I have no alliance to the company, my posting is for those of you looking for an great alternate high quality Graphene made cable without spending a fortune.
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I received my HC power cord (blue) yesterday, and immediately swapped it with the stock cord (Parasound A21). So, first things first ..... I placed the order on Tuesday. Bob shipped it out the same day, and I received it on Thursday. Now that’s some seriously fast logistics. Impressive! That cord is a thing of beauty. It’s hefty (but flexible), extremely well built, and the translucent blue connectors look fabulous. Kinda makes you sad that something this pretty has to be hidden behind your equipment. Now onto the sound ... When I switched my speaker cables to Clear Day, I immediately had a ’jaw drop’ moment, so to speak. I didn’t get the same effect with the Cerious PC. Although to be fair, I should wait for at least 50 hours before making any judgement calls. But so far, I can’t really tell a ’marked’ difference, only slight improvements if I listen carefully. Don’t know if its due to expectation bias or what. The soundstage seems to have shrunk a little bit, and mid bass is not quite as nice as it was before. Hopefully, it will improve with time. The one positive that is immediately apparent is that the sound is more balanced. Before, I always felt that the treble was a little too hot in my system. This PC seems to have somewhat mitigated that particular issue. Also, voices are a bit more recessed than before ... that’s actually a good thing, since it sounds more natural now. More in synch with the rest of the music. Anyways, I’ll let it simmer for a few weeks before posting further comments. |
In a direct answer, most metals have a memory and an ideal crystal structure. This structure gets distorted through the extruding of the metal to make the wires and most significantly through the heating of the solder process, which is why I always design to have as few solder joints in the signal path as possible. Running a signal through the wire and joint slowly restores it back to its original structure although slowly. Cryo causes the crystal structure to "relax" and spring back quicker." Sorry to be a party pooper. Cryo is what we call an irreversible process. Cryo makes the arrangement of the atoms more homogeneous during contraction/expansion phases of the process. The problem for metals that have been bent, rolled, drawn and or hammered is the crystal structure is very distorted. While I do use metals in the GE, the carbon fiber and Graphene would be unaffected by the cryogenic process - other than to make the Graphene a virtually perfect conductor when frozen. I wasn’t referring to the graphene or carbon fiber. Although now that I think about it, the performance of plastics and glass and many other non metal materials improves with cryo, so why not graphene and carbon fiber? |
Sorry to be so cryptic. As someone who works so hard to give SOTA performance at a fair price the practice of something like cryogenics being added to the production process is daunting. Being an audiophile myself and servicing audiophiles forever I realize we, as a group, are seemingly never satisfied. If I were to say "Oh yah,,,cryo would make a HUGE difference" then my email would blow up asking when I am coming out with the cryo version and if the GE can be sent in to be updated. Absolutely no insult meant! In a direct answer, most metals have a memory and an ideal crystal structure. This structure gets distorted through the extruding of the metal to make the wires and most significantly through the heating of the solder process, which is why I always design to have as few solder joints in the signal path as possible. Running a signal through the wire and joint slowly restores it back to its original structure although slowly. Cryo causes the crystal structure to "relax" and spring back quicker. While I do use metals in the GE, the carbon fiber and Graphene would be unaffected by the cryogenic process - other than to make the Graphene a virtually perfect conductor when frozen. So how many of your wives would put up with you having a tank of liquid Nitrogen in your living room? Yah...Exactly. You though the liquid Nitrogen was cold... Bob |
Lak wrote, "Based upon my experience (while experimenting with cryogenic treatments) it’s very possible your products would benefit, however once again that would raise the price and increase the length of time a customer would wait for delivery." well, actually the cost per cable would be quite low to cryo them. Besides, all the other high end cable manufactures have figured out how to do it and make money, and how to avoid long waiting times. lak also wrote, "If an audiophile was really interested in Cryo, they can contact a company themselves and have the item treated. Be warned though that there is a "VERY LONG" break-in period after being " Well, I suspect cryo’d items need about a week to heal from their ordeal, and get a head start while the package is headed back from the lab. A week is about what it takes for many things to break in these days. Fuses, cables, components, capacitors, etc. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Relax, enjoy the ride. 😀 |
Bob, I totally agree with Ozzy and Calloways comments. Your products do sound great upon arrival and normal use breaks the interconnects (etc) in, with-in 50+ hours, so without the purchase of a Audiodharma Cable Cooker everyone is a winner. Based upon my experience (while experimenting with cryogenic treatments) it's very possible your products would benefit, however once again that would raise the price and increase the length of time a customer would wait for delivery. If an audiophile was really interested in Cryo, they can contact a company themselves and have the item treated. Be warned though that there is a "VERY LONG" break-in period after being Cryoed! |
lancelock Bob, just out of curiosity, do you think cryogenic treatment would have any positive effects? rgrost I think it worked great for Walt Disney. No idea... That’s a rather odd response given the fact that most high end cable manufacturers have been employing cryogenic treatment for years. Shall I post a list of cable manufacturers who employ cryogenics? And given that cryogenics has been employed for all manner of audio components and cables and other things for what, twenty years? |
Bob..i sort of agree with Ozzy..i,too, have owned the Audiodharma Pro cooker and used it with great success on my previous cables.There are many cable companies that use Alan's product. it is very well made. Ozzy has a point,though. Your cables are great right out of the gate.I would be willing to bet that Alan might be willing to let you demo one of his cookers to see for yourself if they do help..Dave |
Bob, I owned a Audiodharma cable cooker for years. With some cables, break in can be terrible due to sharp, tinny, closed in sound. Thus, making them too tough to listen to until they are broken in. But your cables sound pretty nice from the start and get better from there. I really don’t think you need a cable cooker it will add time to get the finished product to the customer. And you know how impatient we are. LOL ozzy |
Holy crap...$2,000+ for the high power with ground adapters. I need to start putting magnets in my cables so I can charge more! He is in Phoenix, too. Will try to swing a deal. I love you guys, but $2,000 (Playoffs...Playoffs...did you say Playoffs?)!? Would you consider it a plus to have a manufacturer pre cook their cables for you? Yah...Yah...I know you would...Crap...Being a perfectionist has its drawbacks...I am not buying a cryogenic freezer though...just sayin... Bob |
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Hello Bob, I have the Audiodharma Cable Cooker, Anniversary Edition 3.5 CCGR. I’ve had it for several years and highly recommend it to anyone. The company has come out with a new High Power 3.5 Unit that’s made for situations such as yours. If you click on the link to Audio Excellence AZ you can read about the different options and models available. http://www.audioexcellenceaz.com/products/audiodharma-cable-cooker-cable-conditioner/ Best regards & Happy Holidays to all... |
Hi Bob, I’m not up on such devices; perhaps some gurus here can chime in. Since you mentioned break in, what is your (or any owners with experience) current recommendation on that? What aspects of the sound should I expect to change during break in? I’ve had my GE speaker cables for a week or two, and they do sound quite different from other cables. I’m here to tell you, these are extremely revealing, open and clear on the highs, with an extremely wide sound stage. I can see how they might illuminate any deficiencies in an audio system. They tell all! In my system, at least, bass and mid-bass impact is not as great as a set of Furutech copper cables(which were said to have been burned in on a machine for 69 hours) I have on hand. I’m not sure which cable is actually more accurate on that. Should I expect the bass to change over time? Thanks for any tips! |
OK, I just hooked up my new 9' set of GE speaker cables to my Legacy Audio Signature II speakers. I previously had them bi-wired with Morrow Audio SP-2 on the high frequency terminals and thick, stranded Esoteric Audio cables on the LF terminals. I have only listened a bit so far, but the difference in sound was immediate. I don't know if GE speaker cables "break in" over time, but they were immediately and significantly more open and detailed. It just seems like there is more of the source coming through now. I need to do some more listening with strings, cymbals, and deep bass in order to make a more complete evaluation, but the initial impression is very favorable! |
Sharok, I'm a fairly new customer with an IC and amp power cable so far but I'll be getting the speaker cables tomorrow. I run with the JansZen hybrid ESLs. I am also aware of another JansZen owner who has the full suite of cables with the same speakers. He is the reason I went this way and we chat offline often. Because ESLs are quite revealing, you would notice the quality of these cables quickly. I'll be completing my full set over time. Highly recommended. |
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