Cable Break In for the Naysayers


I still cannot believe that in this stage of Audio history there are still many who claim cable break in is imagined. They even go so far as claim it is our ears that break in to the new sound. Providing many studies in the way of scientific testing. Sigh...

I noticed such a recent discussion on the What’s Best Forum. So here is my response.

______________________________________________________________________________________________ I just experienced cable break in again firsthand. 10 Days ago, I bought a new set of the AudioQuest Thunderbird XLR 2M interconnects.

First impression, they sounded good, but then after about 30 hours of usage the music started sounding very closed in and with limited high frequencies. This continued until about 130 hours of music play time.

Then at this time, the cables started to open up and began to sound better and better each passing hour. I knew at the beginning they would come around because they sounded ok at first until the break in process started. But now they have way surpassed that original sound.

Now the soundstage has become huge with fantastic frequency extensions. Very pleased with the results. Scientifically I guess we can’t prove cable break in is real, but with good equipment, good ears, it is clearly a real event.

ozzy

ozzy
atanarjuat99,

I owned the Sopra 2’s for quite some time and enjoyed them very much.

They have beryllium tweeters and depending upon the source many think they sound bright. I didn’t, but at that time I was using tube amps.

I used mine with no toe-in, so you could start there. Silver cable may increase the brightness in the tweeters, but make sure your cables are really burned in.

I found that silver cables are all over the map in sound quality. Silver cables made from purer silver (.9999) sound great. But that can be expensive.

ozzy

+1 

Focal + Silver likely to = fatiguing

I'd go for Cardas Clear or Clear Beyond. Will be much smoother and more natural. 

@ozzy 

To avoid being perceived as being “irritably over-the-top” in my decidedly dim view of this entire discussion. 

Over the years, especially when suffering from severe cases of have FOMO, I tried well over a dozen high end interconnects costing in the low thousands per pair.

At the price points being discussed, I found no meaningful quantitative improvements. Ever. 

I sometimes thought that I may have perceived qualitative changes, but those perceptions could just as easily have been attributed to, in the immortal words of Ebenezer Scrooge, “An undigested piece of potato” that messed with the firing of any number of neurons between my cochlea and my auditory cortex.

One needs a cable that is thick enough, and shielded enough to do the job. Beyond that, the operative word, which you used, is “believe”. Meaning, faith, religion, occultism, voodoo.

Not for me. 

See my system on the about page of theaudioatticvinylsundays.com No mention of cables. 

unreceivedogma Thanks for your comments. I originally thought about cables as you do now. How can wire be different? It’s just wire, right?

My first experience into the great wire unknown was when a dealer years ago lent me a Synergistic Research Master coupler power cord to try. I was convinced that no way can a power cord do anything. It’s just thick wire? And the cost? 

But I tried it, and I couldn’t believe the difference. More bass, soundstage etc.

That one event sent me down the rabbit hole I am now in. 

By that I mean, I have found so many differences in the way cables sound and perform. That is, power cables, interconnects, speaker cables etc. And each piece of equipment may react differently with different cables.

But if your system, and ears are not up to it, you might let this pass you by.

Enjoy what you have and what you prefer.

ozzy 

@ozzy But if your system, and ears are not up to it, you might let this pass you by.

Exactly.  Enjoy reading George’s history and mastery of cabling, and his associated explanations. For those who can’t hear a difference, buy cheap cables, save your $ and enjoy listening whatever you’ve got.  Non-believers will likely never hear a difference, and whatever the case - only those who explore more will actually know and/or hear the difference. Some systems are not up to the task though... 

Starts here: https://www.cardas.com/deep-dive

With that, here’s what’s going on during cable break-in:

There are many factors that make cable break-in necessary and many reasons why the results vary. If you measure a new cable with a voltmeter you will see a standing voltage because good dielectrics make poor conductors. They hold a charge much like a rubbed cat’s fur on a dry day. It takes a while for this charge to equalize in the cable. Better cables often take longer to break-in. The best "air dielectric" techniques, such as PFA tube construction, have large non-conductive surfaces to hold charge, much like the cat on a dry day. ... 

 

So, I just purchased a used set of the AudioQuest Dragon bi-wire speaker cables. To help finance this purchase I just placed my AudioQuest Thunderbird speaker cables up for sale now on the Gon.

I know shameless plug, sorry, but the cables are really great. 

BTW, I also now have the AudioQuest Firebird XLR interconnects.

Getting back to the forum thread. 

This should get the Cable Naysayers nostrils flaring...

Has anyone experienced the need to break in used cables? I have. I guess it depends as to how long they have been used, usually it only takes a few days.

And I understand many people who have cable cookers often re-cook their cables periodically.

ozzy

 

Absolutely. Cables that have  been shipped, of taken from a system, transported... often need more break in time. 

I’ve never done a systematic evaluation of how much movement it takes. But my dealer will bring over used cables (12 mile drive) and they definitely improve in the first few days of use... as do those sent to me in the mail. 

 


From PS Audio; Audio myth

I’ve been doing this long enough to know better than to dismiss what people hear. If someone tells me their new DAC sounded harsh out of the box, and that it softened after a few weeks of play, I’m not going to argue. We trust our ears for everything in this pursuit. But when it comes to the subject of break-in, or burn-in as some call it, I think it’s time we get honest about what’s really going on.

Here’s the claim: new audio gear—especially speakers, cables, electronics—needs time to “settle in” before it sounds its best. Sometimes it's 100 hours. Sometimes 500. It’s often repeated, rarely explained, and almost never measured.

So let’s take it apart.

Speakers? Absolutely. Drivers are mechanical. You’ve got cones, suspensions, voice coils, surrounds—moving parts under tension. When you play music through a fresh set of speakers, those parts flex and stretch and settle into a state where their compliance changes. The spider loosens. The surround becomes more elastic. It’s small, but it’s real. And you can measure it.

We’ve seen it at PS Audio. A brand-new woofer might measure a few Hz higher in resonance than the same woofer after 10 hours of play. You can also hear it: bass tightens, midrange clears up a little, things feel more relaxed. So yes, speaker break-in is real. Not dramatic, but real.

Now, cables and electronics—that’s where the conversation usually gets uncomfortable. A lot of engineers will roll their eyes at the idea that a power cord or a preamp needs break-in time. But that’s because they’re looking for a mechanical or measurable change as obvious as a loudspeaker cone softening up. And this isn’t that.

With cables, it’s not the conductor that’s changing. It’s the insulation—the dielectric. In the first 100 hours or so, as voltage flows through the cable, the dielectric begins to polarize. That change affects how the cable stores and releases energy, which in turn affects timing and phase relationships—especially in the upper octaves where our ears are most sensitive to space and air. Some of the changes might be subtle, but they’re audible. I’ve heard new cables that sounded flat or edgy out of the box, only to bloom with use—opening up, relaxing, and becoming more natural.

The same holds true for electronics. Capacitors form. Voltages stabilize. Some materials behave differently when warmed repeatedly. And just like with cables, the changes might not show up clearly on a scope—but we hear them. I’ve heard solid-state amps that sounded stiff and closed-in for the first couple of days, then gradually opened up and gained body. Same with DACs. Sometimes the tonal balance shifts. Sometimes it’s dynamics or space. But something happens.

We don’t always know exactly why. Some of it we can explain—dielectric conditioning, capacitor forming, thermal stabilization. The rest? That’s a leap of faith. But after thousands of hours with gear in and out of the system, I trust the pattern. I don’t need a scientific paper to confirm what I hear when I let a piece of gear settle in and breathe.

What’s funny is that we never question this kind of process in other parts of life. Musical instruments open up with playing. Cars loosen up after a few hundred miles. Even our own ears adjust over time. Yet in audio, we’ve been taught to distrust the unmeasured.

I’m not saying we throw out science. But this is a hobby built around listening. If it sounds different—if it sounds better—after a few hundred hours, then that’s real enough for me.

Break-in isn’t a myth. It just happens in ways that aren’t always easy to see—but are often impossible to ignore.

 

@ozzy 

”ears not up to it”

Nice try, ozzy. That tactic does not work. 

As I implied, if not stated outright: my system is revealing enough to hear the difference, if the differences are there to be heard. 

To open another controversy: it is revealing enough that I can hear the difference between vinyl that is AAA vs ADA or DDA. Many in this forum, yourself perhaps, argue that it’s not possible. I was able to spot when MOFI quality went down, without understanding why. Then we all learned what happened. 

Nevertheless, to each their own. Enjoy your cult of what can at best be characterized as confirmation bias. I prefer the secular world. I prefer to spend my idle capital at Habitat for Humanity.
 

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unreceivedogma

Enjoy your cult of what can at best be characterized as confirmation bias.

Those who think differently than you are not necessarily in a "cult."

I prefer the secular world. I prefer to spend my idle capital at Habitat for Humanity.

That's nice virtue signalling! But guess what? Habitat for Humanity is anything but secular. See here:

Since our founding in 1976 as a Christian organization, together we have helped more than 62 million people in countries ...

I just received my AudioQuest Dragon speaker cables, and I need to let them breakin in a little. Probably about 100 hours since they are used. Does that sound right?

ozzy

Some interesting points but it was clearly written by a cable manufacturer.  Would have been even more interesting had they said,

"we put a comprehensive loom of our competitor's midrange products up against a mismatch of our reference products, and our competitor's cohesive mid-range loom beats our mismatch of reference cables every time."