Unsound - Here's one of our problems. I meant that the quartet would be there in 2 hours, meaning there was a setup deadline to meet. However, true to your contentious approach, you had to conclude that I meant it would take only 2 hours to do the recording. And so what if I did? That wasn't at all the point I was making and I'm sure you know as much.
Likewise you have been told numerous times very recently by people you should respect that there is no problem with imaging from horn speakers. Try to let go of your wrong assumptions about horns. You do not know what you are talking about and yet you continue to impose your wrong notions. What's the agenda? |
Macrojack, your post could have been interpreted either way, perhaps you should choose your words more carefully. If I knew that wasn't the point you were making, I wouldn't have made such a response.
I expressed my experience with horn imaging, and least one other person agreed with it. I do respect the other opinions. Something you don't seem capable of. With regard to the matter at hand, I posted with regard to my experiences, not my wrong assumptions. Perhaps it's you making the wrong assumptions despite proof to the contrary. How dare you assume I don't what I'm talking about? I continue offer the alternate perspective to your ongoing infomercial. How quickly you've forgotten Newton's third law. |
For any of you who do not know, Johnk is the owner of KCS loudspeakers.
He designs all kinds of loudspeakers to spec or by commission. You can check his website in the Industry Directory on Audiogon. Johnk favors horns despite the fact that he has designed and owned nearly every other format.
Ralph Karsten owns Atma Sphere, a designer of OTL amplifiers who has risen to the top of the industry over the past couple of decades. He has stated a preference for horn loudspeakers because he feels strongly that they provide desirable characteristics which cannot be duplicated by any other available option.
Duke LeJeune is the owner of Audiokinesis, a high end audio dealer. Duke has established himself as an authority on the parameters of loudspeaker design and has helped literally hundreds of people through his unselfish and tireless contributions on this and numerous other forums. His own speaker designs have won unstinting praise from all corners of the audio universe. Duke favors horn usage and will gladly tell you why if you contact him.
I have worked in audio in a number of different capacities on and off since 1974. I have no resume of interest and cannot claim to be an expert. I'm just another audio schlub who, through some accident of providence has stumbled across the best mid range sound reproduction currently available. This makes me proud and delighted and eager to share my discovery. Some here seem to feel that I am guilelessly lurking here as the head of a dangerous horn cult from which they are duty bound to rescue you. Please be sure to thank them on your way out.
Mr Decibel showed up here brimming with enthusiasm and good will. His emotion was countered and dissed by certain all knowing disproponents of the emerging horn trend. One of them went so far as to follow him to another thread whereupon he intruded one too many times and caused MrDecibel to retreat from our presence. All of this occurs with great pomposity and claims of good intention. Results are invariably contentious and good will and forward progress always suffer.
Can we get back to horns and why we like them? Are there any news items or personal discoveries to report? Can we possibly consider the costs and other objections while, at the same time, proffer suggestions as to how these matters might be overcome via solution or compromise?
If horns are not to your liking, go talk to someone who is discussing something you do like. Spend some time on the positive side.
I believe everyone here is fully aware that Unsound and Weseixas don't like horns. Is there anyone who needs to be told again? If so, please get in touch with them via private email and ask them all about it. They may tell you and they may not. I suspect their grandstanding negativity is more about bringing attention to themselves than bringing light to our topic.
I have provided a bit of info above about the credentials of some of our contributors. Perhaps the guys who so frequently remind us of the fact that they don't like horns would be kind enough to establish their credentials so that our readers can properly measure their comments against the others. As moderator of this thread, I would certainly appreciate that illumination. |
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Does anyone here know anything about tapped horns? |
08-19-06: Unsound
Oz, I do like the Thiel sound. I'v been using Thiels since 1988. While the 3.5's can sound a bit hard on occasion (and this is very dependent on the recording), I personaly think they might be one of the all time great classics,
With all due respects can you please diluge which of your music sounds erm, unsound through your Thiels? |
06-26-10: Macrojack
Ralph Karsten owns Atma Sphere, a designer of OTL amplifiers who has risen to the top of the industry over the past couple of decades. He has stated a preference for horn loudspeakers because he feels strongly that they provide desirable characteristics which cannot be duplicated by any other available option.
WE:
I don't recall Ralph stating a preference for Horn speakers over other topologies and not everyone likes to drop their pants in public, to prove anything to you, just to voice an opinion, so please spare me the condescension.....
For the Record:
I have never heard a horn speaker that met my criteria, my decision is based on hearing the best of the best,So unless the best of the best currently available to man is not good enuff, never setup correctly, had the wrong amps or yada, yada, yada , I will stick to my conclusion until i hear differently ...Dig !
Nothing to do with hating Horns !
You on the other hand sound like you have something to sell......... |
Unsound, you are definitely mistaken - many, if not most of the greatest symphonic recordings of the "golden age" were monitored with horns. To name the most famous example, the Mercury people most often used Altec A7's, driven by MacIntosh electronics. A great many orchestral musicians are of the opinion that horns come the closest to recreating the sound of a live orchestra. Electrostats come close as well, but do not have the dynamic range of horns in either extreme. I also agree with Atmasphere and Johnk that horns can image as well or better than any other type, something which indeed is very important for classical music. |
Here's a quote from Ralph Karsten of Atma Sphere that you can find on page 2 of this thread. If you are concerned about my lifting it out of context, you can read the entire comment there.
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So when I say I prefer the horns I do, its over mbls, Wilsons, Sound Labs, Quads, Magnaplanars, Appogees (and their current clones, which are quite good), Avalons, Dalis and many other excellent speakers too numerous to mention. Further, I don't expect horns to always be on top; all technologies improve and one has to be ready to pick up and move if you want to stay on top :)
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If I had a pair of Magnepans, I would make sure I lived near a beach with big waves, so I could use them as surf boards.
LOL. |
FWIW:
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/500728-monitors-used-classical-music-studios.html |
Weseixas since you say you've heard owned or have had much experience with the worlds greatest loudspeakers. Could you let me know brands of horns that you feel represented the best examples that you took the time to demo? You state [my decision is based on hearing the best of the best,] So lets hear it what are the best of the best? |
Gawdbless, I'm sorry, but, I don't understand the question. |
06-27-10: Johnk
Weseixas since you say you've heard owned or have had much experience with the worlds greatest loudspeakers. Could you let me know brands of horns that you feel represented the best examples that you took the time to demo? You state [my decision is based on hearing the best of the best,] So lets hear it what are the best of the best?
WE:
Jadis Eurythmie ...
Acapella High vioncello...
Acapella Violon
Avantgarde Acoustic Uno
Avantgarde TRIO
KlipschHorn
Klipsch La Scala
Zingali 20 series 1.12
Tannoy Westminster
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Numerous Altecs,JBL's, and custom built one offs over the years ....
Why not horns?
Again , everyone has there own preference, Maybe if you like small wattage tube amplifiers, this is your gig, maybe the only gig, they do not work for me...
I find dipoles/hybrids done right to be much better than all other topologies..
Better tonally
Better imaging
Better dynamics
But i have also heard really good sounding presentation from monopoles, much better than i have heard from the horn setups i have been exposed to...
For the record and the uninitiated amongst us, I'm not a Big maggie fan, I find them to be OK - good speakers, not great,same as some of the horns on the list, so go ahead and use them for surfing........
LOL..
Regards, |
06-27-10: Unsound
Gawdbless, I'm sorry, but, I don't understand the question.
We: Unsound you never will,It's a pointy head mystery..... |
06-26-10: Learsfool
Unsound, you are definitely mistaken - many, if not most of the greatest symphonic recordings of the "golden age" were monitored with horns. To name the most famous example, the Mercury people most often used Altec A7's, driven by MacIntosh electronics. A great many orchestral musicians are of the opinion that horns come the closest to recreating the sound of a live orchestra. Electrostats come close as well, but do not have the dynamic range of horns in either extreme. I also agree with Atmasphere and Johnk that horns can image as well or better than any other type, something which indeed is very important for classical music.
We:
Hello Learsfool,
Could you give me the name of one of those horns, My requirements are :
1. Good dynamics
2. Images well
3. Sounds natural
I would love to give them a listen ............
Regards, |
Hi Weseixas - you yourself listed several in one of your previous posts, and I already mentioned the Altec A7's, which I happened to hear again today as a matter of fact (my uncle owns a pair). Properly set up and driven with tube electronics, they cannot be beat for dynamic range, not only on the loud end but also and in fact particularly on the soft end; they image wonderfully, and most definitely come closest to a life-like presentation when we are talking about trying to reproduce the sound of an orchestra in a great hall. If that is not your cup of tea, that's cool with me. There are many fine speaker designs, some of which sound better for certain things than others, and one's taste in music will heavily influence your choice. As I said, a great many professional orchestral musicians who are also audiophiles feel that the old-school approach has never been equalled for reproducing the sound of an orchestra, let alone bettered. Much of it has to do with your third priority, "sounds natural." Horns driven by tubes do an astounding job of recreating acoustic instrumental timbres, and also do a damn fine job on the human voice as well. Altec, JBL, Klipsch - even if they are not your cup of tea, you have to admit they are extremely successful designs that have survived longer than pretty much anything else in the audio world. |
Unsound:
While the 3.5's can sound a bit hard on occasion (and this is very dependent on the recording),
Unsound, are you blaming the music for the hardness you are hearing occasionally? Please can you name the recording/s or artist/s?
Its an easy cop out to blame the humble cd or vinyl IMHO for dodgy quality of sound, I am talking on a hi-fi wide scale and not about any particular make or model of speaker.
Good speakers enhance the music regardless of how well or badly the music is engineered, once again all IMHO.
I mean why spend shed loads of the folding stuff if one is unhappy with certain recordings?
The object after all and why we are hi-fi enthusiasts is to get maximum enjoyment from our chosen music and speakers, no?!.
WE: what speakers do you use for your listening enjoyment?
Maggies are good speakers, as are many boxed speakers.
One man's meat is another man's poison.
No sea near me, so off to Aspen for some snowboarding,lol.
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Thank you Weseixas. For taken the time to list the horn systems. In audio we should be happy if we find what we enjoy. No right or wrong. Take care and happy listening. |
Weseixas, if you want to quote someone, you use the brackets around the word 'quote'. Once you are done with the quote, you use the brackets again, this time around the word '/quote' I can even quote myself: like this Sometimes its difficult to see what you are saying, since its hard to know if you are quoting someone or not. |
WE:
'Again , everyone has there own preference, Maybe if you like small wattage tube amplifiers, this is your gig, maybe the only gig, they do not work for me...'
I prefer SS amps with my horns. |
Hello 06-28-10: Learsfool,
Yes one mans euphoria can be another's anathema, so i do agree with you ... |
Hello Ralph,
Thanks for the lesson, i was not aware of such " American " education yuh know ...
regards, |
Yes Gawdbless,
A pity it took you this long to figure that out :)
Still open to this eye awakening episode . I'm not adverse to being proven wrong, give me a name of the horn speaker combo i need to be listening to 2 and i will attempt to do so, maybe all the ones from my list were never setup right,
I should also inform you, that most of those with the horn
systems listed were all exposed to what a good dipole system can do and to the man , they have all admitted not being there with their Horn setups, the last one as recently as last month, from a friend who is a recent horn convert and less just say after the comparison they are still tweaking ... LOL...
Convert me guys, Please do , i will enjoy the journey,,,,
regards, |
We: will you not share what speakers you listen to and that what floats your boat?
I have heard a few of the speakers you list, and I would say my Impulse H1's can be held in the same company as any of them and, any speaker regardless of price or type of speaker whether it be a planar or boxed sealed type without fear of deemed second rate. Alas, as there are only 19 pairs of my speakers on the planet, you probably have more chance of going to Mars on a PanAm plane than you have of hearing a pair, lol. The testament on how good they are is that there is never a pair for sale on the used market, why? A well respected hi-fi reviewer has had his pair for 20 years, why? because, they are bloody marvelous hi-fi speakers that satisfies the soul musically (for me anyway). You will have to believe my ears when I say nothing sounds bad through them, and I am sure you would like them just a little if you heard them, they may not be your cup of tea, but I am sure you find them very engaging musically, you never know, you may even be a convert to horns! lol.
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Learsfool, the golden age of classical recordings may have used many horns, but that was because other speakers of the time weren't viable due to amplification constraints and the yet to be developed alternatives. |
Gawdbless, I philosophically disagree with you, as I don't believe it's reasonable to expect speakers to "enhance music". If a speaker accurately portrays a recording for better or worse, I think it very fair to blame the recording in some instances. If one needs to tamper with a recording to make it palatable, I think there are better devices with much more specific controls available to those that feel the need for such things, than speakers. One good example of a recording that that can sound a bit hard is Miles Davis' "Sketches of Spain". |
06-28-10: Gawdbless
We: will you not share what speakers you listen to and that what floats your boat?
I have heard a few of the speakers you list, and I would say my Impulse H1's can be held in the same company as any of them and, any speaker regardless of price or type of speaker whether it be a planar or boxed sealed type without fear of deemed second rate.
We:
Well have to admit , i have never heard of them , much less heard them , yeah , so you are right , i did find this description.....
# Impulse H1: The big hit, and an evolution from the HT1, H2a and H3 models to the archectypal 'Impulse' truncated horn design. Folded exponential bass horn, tractrix midhorn with driver open to rear. Sensitivity 94dB/W, 8ohms. Drivers: 8.5" Seas bass; 4.5" Seas mid; Focal TD90K tweeter.
# Crossover ponts: 800Hz; 4Khz; 2nd order summed response.
# Size: 1100mm H x 350mm W x 685mm D
# Finishes/ cost: Approx. £2,800: built to order, customer-specified veneer with cloth inserts.
# Weight: if you have to ask...
# Available 1988 - ?
Reviews:Jimmy Hughes in HiFi Answers, February 1989. It's a bit of an odd review, for a rave write-up...
Page 1 Page 2 Page 3 Page 4 (GIF format, 120-220K per page)
http://www.acoustica.org.uk/impulse/impulse.html
If this is your speaker ?
If it is, then it is not the typical horn stuff now is it, Yes i can see this speaker sounding much different from what macrobaby has....
I have also disclosed that i was involved in the audio field for years, we sold speakers at the high-end, so i listen to my own stuff and since we have always done di-poles (dynamic driver versions since 88 and ribbon hybrids later) I do have different versions of speakers available to me from mini-monitors to full large scale ribbons for listening....
Currently my main is a 3 way, 4 column full ribbon in both the bass, mid and highs, not planer magnetic as apogee used to be or maggies currently .
They work for me and work for most who have had the pleasure in hearing them, including my recently converted Horn speaker friends....
Again to each his own , i know what i hear and like between the different speaker topologies and ribbons done up right works for me, I'm sure yours work for you and sound good 2, as it does for many others here.
Enjoy the journey ....
Regards, |
Macrojack, thank you for the introductions. Though I think these respected Audiogoner's are quite capable of introducing themselves. In fact, Atmasphere and Duke have already introduced themsleves many times over the years, JohnK hasn't been quite so upfront, but after awhile his threads do reveal his background.
As JohnK's products are custom made ones, comparing his speakers to other designs or even to other horns is like comparing apples to Pitahya/Dragons.
On this very thread Atmasphere has said that some of the worst sounding speakers he's heard were horns, and he is still dubious when confronted with new ones. While Atmasphere has always been forthright in his posts, we can't dismiss the fact that horns are particularly compatible with his products.
Duke has on this very thread posted that horns have common characteristic coloration's that some seem to be more sensitive to than others. Duke has also championed the virtues of speaker designs other than horns.
I have had many discussions over the years here with both Atmasphere and Duke, sometimes we agree, sometimes we don't, but, they are always polite and respectful. JohnK and I have had more limited discussions, but I don't believe they were ever disagreeable.
Are we to take the word of a stumbling audio schlub who declares in absolutes that he has discovered "the best midrange sound reproduction currently available" from horns without any hint of balanced reporting on a thread that begins with; "Why not horns?". This a public forum and those that disagree with your slanted opinion aren't on our way out. Those that appreciate the true concept of a forum, needn't thank us for staying in.
Another member (Mapman) cross referenced another thread that seemed relevant to this one. When I went to that thread I posted something with the caveat that I was "just kidding". Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in regard to the reference. Mrdecibel assumed it was aimed at him, and he cross referenced his objection here. I offered apologies if I unintentional offended him on both threads, and by e-mail. Mrdecibel accepted and appreciated my offering of an apology, and replied that he was still leaving this thread because he wasn't enjoying it. Now if you had actually read the follow ups, you would have known what ever slights that were felt were unintended and apologies were offered. The word that seemed to cause such hurt is apparently not in everyone's vocabulary, so I'll offer a definition here:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oxymoron
You can now understand now harm was intended. In that you have made many absolute claims with little to support them, one can only ask who is being pompous? If you were aware of the out lined previous chronology of events and the meaning of the words used, one can only ask who indeed is aiming for good will and forward progress?
Perhaps we should really get back to: "Why not horns?". If you just want to have a circle jerk with some other horn enthusiasts, you should use a different thread, and please title it in such a manner to give warning to the rest of use who don't care to participate.
If you don't want to hear from those who don't care for horns, you shouldn't title your thread; "Why not horns?" Of course if you really wanted to consider "costs and other objections" you would welcome the objections.
I really don't appreciate you inviting people to e-mail me.
Grandstanding? You started this. Once again, you seem to have forgotten Newton's third law.
Moderator of this thread? Pompous, grandstanding? Ha!
Being just another audio schlub is good enough credentials for you, but you require something more commercial for everyone else? I'm confident that those contributors whose credentials you've espoused would have the diplomacy to not to criticize manufacturers of alternate designs, and by the same token I would expect those manufactures of alternate designs to exercise the same professional courtesy. While professionals that identify themsleves as such, are very much welcome here, this forum is by and large made up of consumers and hobbyists, and in the end that's probably for the best. If you truly want to illumination, you wouldn't promulgate such a slanted perspective, which only casts a shadow on alternate points of view.
The tone of this thread could improve dramatically if you could keep on topic and not make such judgemental personal attacks. |
Gawdbless, I philosophically disagree with you, as I don't believe it's reasonable to expect speakers to "enhance music". If a speaker accurately portrays a recording for better or worse, I think it very fair to blame the recording in some instances. If one needs to tamper with a recording to make it palatable, I think there are better devices with much more specific controls available to those that feel the need for such things, than speakers. One good example of a recording that that can sound a bit hard is Miles Davis' "Sketches of Spain". I'm with Unsound on this one, except for the comment about Sketches of Spain. I have original vinyl on that and its got no harshness at all, so long as the system I am playing it on can track it. It *does* have a lot of energy... |
Atmasphere, thanks. Not to belabour the point, but, I don't think "Sketches" is harsh, but it does sound as though the mike is right in front of the bell of the trumpet, hence hard. Truth be told my speakers are not too forgiving of such things. Interestingly enough, I consider the Threshold to excel in reproducing horns. Perhaps, it didn't transfer to digital disk too well? A bit of odd sound staging with this recording, deep and narrow. All in all, a bit unique, if not down right weird. Love the music though. |
Weiseas, yes the very same as the reveiwers, although Mr Hughes has done a few modifications to his pair over the years that he has owned them.I have not done any mods to my pair.I believe he also uses the Townshend super tweeter with them. |
06-28-10: Unsound
'Gawdbless, I philosophically disagree with you, as I don't believe it's reasonable to expect speakers to "enhance music". If a speaker accurately portrays a recording for better or worse, I think it very fair to blame the recording in some instances.'
Thats the difference between a really good speaker and an extremely average pair.
I mean, do you not want to hear every possible tiddly pom and nuance of every Instrument and vocals to die for when you play your music?
If not, you should have bought a $100 boom box instead and saved yourself a lot of money.
Seems like we have different views on the track you mention regarding hardness. |
Gawdbless, I'm sorry, but I don't know what "pom" means. As for a speaker that can play every possible nuance of every instrument and vocals to die for (a bit over the top, wouldn't you say), well if a speaker is truly capable of such detail it will also demonstrate the warts on a recording. I've yet to hear a boom box capable of either. The Thiels certainly don't gloss over the subtleties. As for the financial advice and shopping help, I'll manage on my own, thank you very much. |
"do you not want to hear every possible tiddly pom and nuance of every Instrument and vocals to die for when you play your music"
Yes.
Also I find few recordings so bad they are not listenable. In fact, when things are going well on my system, I find most tracks to have something appealing enough to offer to make it worth a listen. When not, then I find myself discounting a lot of recordings that in fact should be quite enjoyable if not still far from perfect. |
Unsound ,
You had your s500 modified , Yes?
In the past , I have found the threshold pre-amp combo very sensitive to the cables/CD player output impedance/ cable type combo. Playing around with the cable from the CD player to the FET/10 makes a huge difference in perceived harshness picked up in the upper midrange area.
regards, |
The Better any system get's to the truth, is the less you will experience these so called un-listenable tracks...
This has been my experience over the years and Currently I can play any type of recordings or Music, my only concern is popping the 15 amp fuses in the amplifiers on really loud crescendos....
regards, |
"The Better any system get's to the truth, is the less you will experience these so called un-listenable tracks... "
I agree. I suspect this may be the most useful metric regarding system quality of all. |
I think we might be having a linguistic challenge. I don't consider hardness and harshness to be synonymous. For the record I have not complained about harshness from my system. On rare occasion I detect a bit of hardness. I am confident that this is recording dependent. |
The better a system the less likely it will exaggerate problems in the recordings, but, unless one manipulates the recording play back, the flaws won't be hidden either. If the flaws are minimal one can easily overlook them if the balance of the recording satisfies. |
The Better any system get's to the truth, is the less you will experience these so called un-listenable tracks. IME bad recordings bring out the worst in the system as well. So if the system allows you to listen to bad recordings without editorializing, so much the better. I often use bad recordings to give me an idea of hidden artifact in a stereo. What has been interesting about this is that I have found recordings that I **thought** were bad, but in time were found to have so much energy that a bad system couldn't play it right! As you might imagine this has nothing to do with horns one way or another. Unsound, if you can I recommend trying to find a way to hear the original pressing on LP of Sketches. I think you will find that the mic technique is not that bad! I've spent a lot of time in the studio and what you find when you do that is that digital systems lack more than just low level resolution. To make them sound right, you have to accommodate the differences and do the mix differently. I've had to go back and forth in digital mixdowns dealing with this issue: what you hear when you mix is not what you hear in the digital result. Older recordings from the analog era can't benefit from this process, so things that might seem to sound a certain way are found to not be so once you hear the original. |
"What has been interesting about this is that I have found recordings that I **thought** were bad, but in time were found to have so much energy that a bad system couldn't play it right! "
I have found this out in recent years as well and suspect this is a common malady for many.
I find a lot of modern "loudness wars" recordings and remasters fall into this category. They have a lot of "energy" as you say which exacerbates their inherent limitations as well when the playback system just cannot handle it.
This is where I have found the Class D amps I am using currently to be a godsend with my less efficient speakers that I am fond of otherwise.
Similarly, good higher efficiency speakers with perhaps fewer quality watts driving them are the other solution scenario I believe. |
Unsound, I should have used the word 'one', rather than 'you',
in my comment about a boom box, sorry If I offended you, I was talking generally.
'Tiddy pom' is sort of like the word 'widget',in this context it means musical information passed onto the listener. |
Mapman, ironically, I think "modern"loudness wars" recordings" are designed towards the low end of audio playback. |
"Mapman, ironically, I think "modern"loudness wars" recordings" are designed towards the low end of audio playback."
Yes that is true. Ironically, they can also be harder to play back accurately, for better or for worse, on home systems due to the higher overall "energy content" as Atmasphere accurately described it. |
I've been watching this thread with a good deal of amusement. I don't think many people here have any idea of what horns can be. It's that simple. So here is the Disclaimer- my company, OMA, manufactures conical horn based systems which are created by the same designer Bill Woods, as the thread author MacroJack uses.
These horns are, to put it bluntly, unlike any horns which have been on the hifi market over the last 50 years. They were never used for hifi, and also never used for theater systems, as they required a larger horn for the same flare cutoff frequency. No company in the world, besides OMA, uses a conical flare profile horn in their speaker product for hifi, and thus no one on this thread is going to be able to make a useful judgement about the sound of such horns until they actually hear them. I will admit that Duke of AudioKinesis makes a very similar product, which I like alot, and I consider Duke a fellow traveller. But outside of that tiny circle, whatever you think of horns is pretty useless, as you are thinking of a different animal entirely.
Many of you may be thinking, that's not fair. How can I make up my mind if I can't hear these things? I'll make that easy- OMA has a new, NYC Showroom in Soho, Manhattan, right at the corner of Broadway and Houston, and you can compare this kind of horn system to the top of the line ATC speaker, the EL150 SLP, which is about $60,000, depending on exchange rates, and also hear the only Wadia System 9 in the NYC Metro area.
Our most recent clients have mainly been musicians- Ben Folds, Phil Palombi, and the mastering engineer Andreas Meyer. The cellist Lorie Singer came in recently to the Soho Showroom, and I played her the Bach Cello lp's from Mercury with Starker. She called me up the next day, to tell me that she had been a student of Starker, and that for the first time in her life, she heard cello reproduced properly, and that she actually felt Starker in the room.
This does not happen with direct radiator speakers. It does not happen with planars either, nor electrostats.
Jonathan Weiss
Oswaldsmill Audio |
Darn, just did my once a year NYC jaunt the other week! I would have liked to heard these. Maybe next year. |
Hello Jonathan ,
Thanks for the showroom info, one can finally get to hear this Beast. I do find musicians to be a funny breed, I'm sure there are many in the business with similar stories, regardless it does seem based on your comments that the speaker is a serious speaker and worth a listen ... |
Was that a post or an advertisement? |
Unsound ,
It was an invitation to hear the greatest speaker in the world. :)
Hello Jonathan,
I took a look at your speakers, very interesting and i have a few questions..
* What makes this horn unique? because it's "conical " there are others using conical horns.
* Wouldn't using a dodecagon type Horn flare as you do have an disadvantage to a straight flair, one would think that a straight flare with the edges rolled (ala Avant garde for eg) have better aero and suffer from less refractions (noise) than a straight dodecagon type flare as yours, No ?
* Why not an Octagon , less refractive edges and i can't see you giving up anything in doing so over the 12 sided dodecagon, just a thought !
Anyway good luck with the new store, it's a tough business, but you know that already ....
Regards, |
