'The Better any system get's to the truth, is the less you will experience these so called un-listenable tracks.'
absof*ckinglutely................ |
05-23-10: Eldartford
If you want violins to sound like trumpets, get horns.
On the other hand for, Dixieland Jazz, a horn speaker is ideal.
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Actually, from personal experience some horns sound very good on all types of music, and I've not heard Ms Hahn or Ms mutter playing a trumpet with a bow. Perhaps you have? |
The best horn I have heard to date, which has just been solidly reiterated by me recently been listening to my Impulse H1's (Aspara Acoustics same people)for the first time in over 4 years, it has just dawned on what I have been missing for these past years whilst living and loving the US, my usual speakers Oris 150's are good speakers, but not a patch on the H1's in terms of everything with the exception of bass depth.
Having heard the Acapella's, Classic Audio T's etc, none are as musically involving as my long time departed H1's.
So when I head back to the US they will be shipped over for sure, whatever the cost. Sorry for ranting on, but in horn terms from what I have heard they are the mutts nuts, and are comparable musically (deep breath, hand on heart) with any speaker at any price that I have heard and possibly musically streets ahead of many.
Only from what I have heard and am now hearing with my ears again folks. Sheer bliss.
In my personal case its 'not horns?, why'? |
I have a suggestion, I think all those that slate Horn speakers here who have not divulged what speakers they are running should. |
06-15-10: Eldartford
As I have said, horns do Dixieland jazz superbly, but I can't listen to Dixieland all the time.
Thanks for setting us all straight on that crucial statement, I will now have to sell 99.9% of my collection. |
Horns will always sound like hi-fi, never real , they project sound in a manner where all instruments and voices have the same projection and size.
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Utter tosh. |
Horns will always sound like hi-fi, never real , they project sound in a manner where all instruments and voices have the same projection and size.
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With all due respects you are talking out of your
unwiseASS. |
W,
old fruit,are you sure you were not in politics rather than hi-fi? you seem to duck and dive, bob and weave around questions better than a boxer!, the pugilistic kind rather than the canine.
TKO.
lol......................... |
Hi-fi sounding only c/w poor bass sounding horns?
sure seems like we have entered a silly season.
I like my horns (Impulse H1's and Oris 150's) simply because to my ears they have more good points that far outweight their minus points, but the most important factor is they make even the duffest recordings sound musical and very enjoyable, and of course well recorded music sounds sublime, and I am never embarrassed to play any cd that I own that a visitor may request.
Can you say the same? |
I would like to see those who query those that are in the know, to actually design and produce a loudspeaker and make a pair to be scrutinized. I own a pair of JohnK speakers and have heard Dukes loudspeakers on at least 2 separate occasions,they are very good sounding speakers. I do not know (or care) how they are designed or how many bottles of glue are used, I only know by my ears that they sound good.
Severely delayed? would that be like, er tomorrow? |
08-19-06: Unsound
Oz, I do like the Thiel sound. I'v been using Thiels since 1988. While the 3.5's can sound a bit hard on occasion (and this is very dependent on the recording), I personaly think they might be one of the all time great classics,
With all due respects can you please diluge which of your music sounds erm, unsound through your Thiels? |
If I had a pair of Magnepans, I would make sure I lived near a beach with big waves, so I could use them as surf boards.
LOL. |
Unsound:
While the 3.5's can sound a bit hard on occasion (and this is very dependent on the recording),
Unsound, are you blaming the music for the hardness you are hearing occasionally? Please can you name the recording/s or artist/s?
Its an easy cop out to blame the humble cd or vinyl IMHO for dodgy quality of sound, I am talking on a hi-fi wide scale and not about any particular make or model of speaker.
Good speakers enhance the music regardless of how well or badly the music is engineered, once again all IMHO.
I mean why spend shed loads of the folding stuff if one is unhappy with certain recordings?
The object after all and why we are hi-fi enthusiasts is to get maximum enjoyment from our chosen music and speakers, no?!.
WE: what speakers do you use for your listening enjoyment?
Maggies are good speakers, as are many boxed speakers.
One man's meat is another man's poison.
No sea near me, so off to Aspen for some snowboarding,lol.
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WE:
'Again , everyone has there own preference, Maybe if you like small wattage tube amplifiers, this is your gig, maybe the only gig, they do not work for me...'
I prefer SS amps with my horns. |
We: will you not share what speakers you listen to and that what floats your boat?
I have heard a few of the speakers you list, and I would say my Impulse H1's can be held in the same company as any of them and, any speaker regardless of price or type of speaker whether it be a planar or boxed sealed type without fear of deemed second rate. Alas, as there are only 19 pairs of my speakers on the planet, you probably have more chance of going to Mars on a PanAm plane than you have of hearing a pair, lol. The testament on how good they are is that there is never a pair for sale on the used market, why? A well respected hi-fi reviewer has had his pair for 20 years, why? because, they are bloody marvelous hi-fi speakers that satisfies the soul musically (for me anyway). You will have to believe my ears when I say nothing sounds bad through them, and I am sure you would like them just a little if you heard them, they may not be your cup of tea, but I am sure you find them very engaging musically, you never know, you may even be a convert to horns! lol.
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Weiseas, yes the very same as the reveiwers, although Mr Hughes has done a few modifications to his pair over the years that he has owned them.I have not done any mods to my pair.I believe he also uses the Townshend super tweeter with them. |
06-28-10: Unsound
'Gawdbless, I philosophically disagree with you, as I don't believe it's reasonable to expect speakers to "enhance music". If a speaker accurately portrays a recording for better or worse, I think it very fair to blame the recording in some instances.'
Thats the difference between a really good speaker and an extremely average pair.
I mean, do you not want to hear every possible tiddly pom and nuance of every Instrument and vocals to die for when you play your music?
If not, you should have bought a $100 boom box instead and saved yourself a lot of money.
Seems like we have different views on the track you mention regarding hardness. |
Unsound, I should have used the word 'one', rather than 'you',
in my comment about a boom box, sorry If I offended you, I was talking generally.
'Tiddy pom' is sort of like the word 'widget',in this context it means musical information passed onto the listener. |
I would dismiss Beethoven's opinions,
if he were alive today. |
The Dutch should have to much in their arsenal for Uruguay, although the Dutch have always been a bit suspect in the knock out stages of the World Cup, they need another Cruyff!
Spain can and do play beautiful football (if they show up that is) with their marvelous array of talent, but have been under performing, especially Torres who has been truly woeful. The Germans are playing like a team on a mission with verve and passion, I mean how many teams could stop Argentina from having a sniff of the ball, never mind score a goal?. So, its Germany for me to beat Holland in final.
I hope FIFA pick Mr Howard Webb as the referee, a no nonsence kind of chap who is a top notch referee for the final. |
Holland through to the final.................
Has anyone noticed, well for that are interested anyway,
how long the players celebrate the goal when one is scored?
seems like they are having a 'time out', or is it a new way of time wasting?
Horns have bass. |
WTF was Herr Loewe thinking last night with his tactics? Jeez.! Now I am not saying I know footie better than him, but
he played a wait and break game, totally the wrong tactics IMHO, they (the Germans) needed to get on the ball and press , not sit back and let the Spaniards (possibly the most complete 'footballing' side at present) take control and dictate the pace of the game, the odds on keeping a clean sheet when Spain had so much of the ball is slim. Shame they waited until ther knock out stage to perform so badly and without direction, so un-Germanic.
Joke:
David Blain is said to be gutted because his record of doing sod all in a box has been beaten by Wayne Rooney.
and another....................
I met a fairy the other day who granted me one wish,
I said 'I want to live forever'!
'Sorry' she said fairy I'm not allowed to grant wishes like that'!
'Fine' I said
'I want to die when England win the world cup'
'you crafty bastard ' said the fairy. |
We: there are some lovely looking speakers on the bd site. |
Is pissing with rain so I thought I would share a joke;
A simple spelling mistake caused my divorce, I went
to Amsterdam and sent
a message to my wife, 'having the most amazing and
wonderful time wish you were her'! |
http://www.bd-design.nl/
is a good site for Oris lovers. |
A bargain at $53,000?
HELLO, earth to reviewer.
Those cost of those speakers (to me anyway) are a sure case of 'why don't I try and build my own'? |
Is there a sonic difference between a fibreglass cone and a wooden cone? if so, can someone please explain the benefits and or negatives of both materials? (one benefit with fibreglass is I suppose there is no chance of it getting attacked by woodworm,lol). I think my cones are made of fibreglass, although I am willing to be corrected on that.
Johnk- did you ever dabble with wooden conical cones? |
Thanks for the explanation JohnK, you lost me in the first sentence though. Makes me wonder why wood is still used then if there is better available? $53,000 is just plain ludicrous for a pair of speakers in my eyes. Would love to hear them one day though. |
Macro, I am in same corner when it comes to sound for pound (sterling/dollar). I have gotten good sound (I think so) from my horns, purchased very reasonably on here.
If I had to I would possibly try and have a go at making a DIY pair, but as I am happy with the Oris's and simply over the moon with my H1's, I have no need to venture down that road.The H1's are my perfect speaker and I could not be happier and would never sell them.
If I ever venture to New York, I will for sure make Highwater Sound (jeff is a nice guy) my first port of call.
Got the hear the latest version of the Aspara Acoustics HL1 and their top of the range HLR. |
In these depressive times of big brother cock ups, its nice to hear someone that is busy now, and tomorrow. |
Verneal, I think your comments are stuck in a groove.
My horns do not appear to be much larger in footprint than your Thiels. |
I wanna hear a pair of Living Voice's flagship 'Vox Olympian' horn speaker.
Check out the 6moons feature on these simply gorgeous monsters. They make my heart swoon and palpitate at the same time.
Why not horns? for me this pair needs 6 correct lottery numbers, or an IRS three more noughts slip up.
I think they cost about $300,000. |
