Why are you so triggered by what others say or think? And so much so that you have to repeat the topic over and over. As you say, we are all grown men, so grow up and get over it. YOU are the only one in control of how you react to what others say here. Why are you always so defensive about your position? You have other problems if you let some random guy on the internet get you so riled up over a comment.
WHY IS THERE SO MUCH HATE FOR THE HIGH END GEAR ON AUDIO GEAR?
It seems like when I see comments on high end gear there is a lot of negativity. I have been an audiophile for the last 20 years. Honestly, if you know how to choose gear and match gear a lot of the high end gear is just better. When it comes to price people can charge what they want for what they create. If you don’t want it. Don’t pay for it. Look if you are blessed to afford the best bear and you can get it. It can be very sonically pleasing. Then do it. Now if you are also smart and knowledgeable you can get high end sound at mid-fi prices then do it. It’s the beauty of our our hobby. To build a system that competes with the better more expensive sounding systems out there. THOUGHTS?
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All is a question of informed choices ... I choose low cost or vintage components + Acoustical,mechanical and electrical embeddings controls over way higher cost gear ... Top vintage gear is not obsolete ... low cost dont means bad sound ... I am not jealous of anyone nor of any gear ... It is the opposite which could be true , many will be surprized if they listen what a 700 bucks speakers/system can do well embedded and synergetical ... My system is not high end for sure but not as far from high end that many people imagine ... Acoustics is the main key not price tag ... Acoustic deefinition of immersiveness and timbre and his qualities dont change with price tag but change with acoustically well embedded basically good gear ... I enjoy what i called the minimal acoustical satisfaction threshold ...This is defined by a general good balance between all acoustic factors defining all aspects of sound in acoustic for ANY gear at ANY price ...For sure this threshold is independant of the price because it is a balance relative ratio not an absolute classification... The fact that better system than mine exist dont means that my soundfield is trash in a word ... The problem of sound is solved in my system , i listen music without being bothered by the sound defects, and i choose the best system in the world for my taste : the best S.Q. possible at the lowest price ... I am not jealous at all but you, you must be, if you spoke about jealousy here because i am not so far from high end that some claim ... 😊 Here i always promoted creativity, homemade tweaks only and especially studies of acoustics and basic experiments ...I never promoted costly upgrades because it is up to each person wallet dimensions and half the time it is bad informed choice...I never bragg about high end products ...I dont needed to for justifying my expanses ..... Anyway my 100 bucks hybrid headphone is unique and is a high end product never reproduced or imitated again for 45 years ...it beat most speakers in a living room because he gave when optimized a soundfield out of the head and speaker-like and bass near 20 hertz with non artificial headphone timbre which i experienced with all my 9 others headphones ... My low cost speakers dont beat my TOP headphone for sure so good they are but beat most headphones , it is enough for enjoying music ... It is not enough to bragg about high end price for sure, i pay them 100 bucks 12 years ago ...😊 i am very proud to be creative... It is enough for me ... Keep your high cost upgrades... my only upgrade will be a BACCH filters DSP ...
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@coralkong yes I see it’s serious. Must be when you are telling someone that posting in caps will get them violated. Lol |
@coralkong @mitch2 i guess I should be surprised by the snarky comments. If you will tell a guy how to spend his money on gear. You will also have the nerve to tell him when, where and how he can say what he wants to say. The most annoying part is that it comes from a place of stereo knowledge superiority complex. It’s a new sickness that I have diagnosed most that speak this way with. STEREO KNOWLEDGE SUPERIORITY COMPLEX! |
@lalitk wow I didn’t know you owned WBF and that you can make me not say what I wanna say. Didn’t know that at all wow. All in fun man don’t take this that serious. |
@ghdprentice i agree 100%. The crazy part is they wanna tell you how to spend your money. Also, if you spend X$ you are an idiot for doing so. I chose my gear carefully. Yes it’s expensive. But I believe in the science and engineering of how my electronics and speakers were made. Are they expensive yes but I research and listened to these items and I’m sold on the sonics enough to be happy for a very long time. |
Look everyone I posted this because this particular subject over the years is something I see repeatedly. Dissing of high end gear. The rest of us ignorant for paying the prices. The snarky comments about the gear. The snarky comments about you discussing their snarky comments about your gear. The thing that surprises me is that most haven’t heard a lot of high end gear. They haven’t lived with it for months or years. They are annoyed by it. They don’t get it properly matched in their systems if they have heard it. Most don’t have systems resolving enough to tell the differences. They don’t understands the depths that people go to to create the gear. To get the low noise floors. To maximize the gear performance. It’s a lot that goes into cables and components to make things happen. |
@jacobsdad2000 Schtick? Man to each his own. Look we are all men who say what they want and do what they want. I might not like your comments but you have a right to say them. If I get tired of you or what you are saying I just don’t comment on your post or don’t read them or respond. Best wishes take care. |
I can afford a lot of audio gear; however, I have learned that you do not need to spend as much money as I did in the past to get comparable and sometimes better sound. First thing for good sound is the room. Cables make a difference in most gear (not all). Speaker cables always make a difference. Good hearing also makes a difference. |
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@lalitk i would do it if I wanted to. We are all grown men. Come on let’s keep it real. We are all 50 and above. Grown men don’t tell other grown me what to do. But anyway. |
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@mitch2 there in lies the problem. They take it way too seriously. They make themselves experts in technology, science , hearing and finance all in one degree ! |
@calvinj - At the end of the day, its just a stereo. |
@coralkong exactly. I had a great conversation with our cable maker on how he chooses materials, shielding, connectors etc. Keeping outside noise out. Limiting things that can affect and change sound negatively and it all makes sense. But you can’t have that conversation with them. It turns into a measurement argument. Then they tell you. You can’t hear. When it’s actually them that can’t hear. Lol |
I find these are usually the "measurements only" folks who are seeking confirmation that their equipment is better, just as good as, or best because some guy on YouTube with a multi-meter gave it a Pink Panther stamp of approval, LOL. Cables can’t possibly make a difference, because copper is copper.....they’ve never tried expensive cables, mind you....but they KNOW it can’t make a difference, and they’ll argue until they're blue in the face about it. Usually hurling thinly veiled insults while they’re at it. Same goes for fuses or what-have-you. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." 😉 Ignorance is bliss, I guess. I enjoy a lively conversation as much as the next guy, but the idea behind the conversation is that I should get something out of it. In other words, I should learn something or teach something. Most of these folks don’t want to learn anything, they just want to appear (at least in their own mind) that their set up is just as good as someone else’s, usually at pennies on the dollar. "Giant slayer", "Punches above it’s weight class", "Just as good as..." are all turn-offs to me. |
@mitch2 @coralkong i agree with both of you. I see that hate because some people either are A. Jealous or B. Think we are idiots and they know more in a nutshell. Like when they say cables don’t make a difference. I’ve seen them take a system from blah to really good if done properly. |
Buy what you like, and like what you buy. Everyone has a budget. *shrugs* I think there’s a lot of jealousy in this hobby. That, and people who think they’re smarter than everyone else. Either way, you end up with a lot of butt-hurt know-it-alls that tend to lash out, rather than try to learn anything.... |