whatsbestforum - what's going on


I thought I could reduce my presence here and participate elsewhere so I registered on this site called whatsbestforum. First it looked harmless. I did not read the about section. 

I made one comment, a speaker recommendation - did not name or mention anyone - just posted a link to a speaker site and I was immediately banned. The site went into an endless loop, with the you are banned message. I can't log off or view anything, the only way I can view it is if I start another private browser. On top of that, a few hours later, the message changed to "Your IP address has been banned."  Like I am some kind of criminal to be kept away with a restraining order and pepper spray.

I wonder if it's an exclusive site or a cult, and if anyone from here is a successful member over there. The about us section is truly disturbing. I am not taking it personally, but it does bother me of course.

 

gano

Treitz3 — “The use of VPN’s and multiple accounts when registering will result in an instant and automatic ban”.

 

As a 30-yr tech industry veteran, all I can say is what a great idea….lets vilify VPN’s (one of today’s most basic and necessary privacy/security tools that not enough people use)…let’s force people to forego their primary privacy/security tools because we’re so bad at security management.    Let’s make it ILLEGAL to use that tool on our little audio platform.   Hire a different IT Director than whoever you have today and get with the 21st century.   Jeezus, just utterly ridiculous.

If you want to remain private, you can remain a guest. It’s as simple as that.

Tom

we will be implementing a new system (along with an appropriate email address) to contact the WBF

that will be very user friendly!

UPDATE - We have created a change in our log in and are implementing it now. If anyone has any issues trying to become a member, please reach out to this email and if cleared, your account will be activated. 

wbfhelpdesk@gmail.com

Tom

The site owner Ron is VERY touchy about anything that deviates from his opinion. I posted something a couple of years back that got huge traction.  But he didn’t like the discussion. He even baied me with a challenge to my argument which I happily agreed to.  His response.  He banned me.  What a pathetic hypocrite. 

I too have been banned. I innocently, or so I thought, created an alternative name because I could not post under my previous Username, or I forgot my password, or something like that. I understand that I violated their terms but it was unintentional. Coincidentally, prior to seeing this thread, I just sent an email asking to be reinstated because I do think it's a very valuable source of information.
 

Yes very much so, more than others.

I just sent an email asking to be reinstated because I do think it's a very valuable source of information.

I'm no expert but I think that posting a link of any kind in your first post in a new forum is a red flag to their spam blocking protocols. Most forums are very strict / cautious about people posting links to anything due to many being spam.

I have been a member of WBF for many years, and have never experienced any problems.  I  have found it to be a great site and I often get some different perspectives there as well.

WBF like all “social media” sites have problems with folks not being respectful or thoughtful with their comments. There are some really well informed members and unlike Agon they rarely get negative on gear because of its price. My main complaint with the site is it’s heavy handed censorship on things that are often very harmless comments. I also felt there was way too much “protection” of dealers and support for manufacturers who advertised on the site. It often feels like one big advertisement rather than audiophiles simply discussing gear and ideas. OMO

Only got banned from one site, the Leben Facebook site because the owner of Leben told me he had a kit to make the old 600 into the new version. The guy that runs the site, and I think imports to the US got prickly about it. Probably couldn’t afford 20 year scotch is people started updating instead of buying new? 
most of these sites become overrun with dealers it’s pretty much a hot lead.

OP...The About Us page is "truly disturbing"???? I'm avaliable for on-line counciling for the low low price of only $499 per hour...Or I take low milage "Teslers" in trade...

@ozzy 

I read your story about Clarisys speakers and Coda amps.

I'd like to know what you think about the Clarisys speakers now that you've had them for a while. Do you think they're worth the high price? Are they the best planar magnetic speakers? Do you like the amps?

My dream system is Clarisys Minuets, and Accuphase A-300 monoblocks. What do you think?

 

unclewilbur,

I actually don’t have the Coda amps. I am using the Michi 8 mono blocks.

As to the Clarisys speakers, they are the best I have ever owned or quite frankly any that I have heard. That is Wilson, Focal, Magnepan, Martin Logan and many others. I can only imagine what their top-of-the-line sound like. (and the size, weight, cost, yikes!)

To me, they have all the sound quality of the best box speakers with the soundstage of Planers. Surprising, the bass is very powerful. But I still use subs at 45hz at a low level.

As to the price, yes, they were more expensive than I wanted to pay. I was able to trade in my Focal’s and negotiated a good overall deal delivered price.

ozzy

@ozzy 

Thanks for taking time to describe your Minuets. I'm two thousand miles away from the speakers at Suncoast Audio,  so actually hearing them is a big challenge. But I've read everything I can find and my gut feeling is that the Clarisys is the best. They seem overpriced, overbuilt, but looks like the best design for a planar magnetic speakers. 

~Thanks for the information!

I have seen and read about some amazing systems on What’s Best Forum. The only site whose users give Mike Lavigne some competition in all-out no-holds-barred achievements in home listening rooms. The squabbles there are similarly elevated. The horn people vs the planar people have gone some rounds, and I learned a lot just reading the back and forth. I’m just a box lady myself. Since I retired I have tried a taste of some other speaker technologies, but so far only a single-driver speaker by Omega with a low-powered tube amp by Alan Eaton sounds as good to me as my Audio Physics with BAT tube monoblocks. The guys on What’s Best Forum are way way beyond my knowledge and experience, but I enjoy their perspectives.

@ozzy 

The Accuphase A-300 doubles all the way down in ohms. It's 125w into 8ohms, 250w into 4ohms, and about 235w into the 4.25 ohms  of the Minuet. So, what do you think of 235 watts of high current driving the Minuets?

I would prefer at least 350 watts, but what do you think?

unclewilbur,

I think it sounds like that amp would work well with Clarisys. Is it mono blocks?

I think the Minuet is supposed to be 6 ohm nominal.

sc53,

Have you heard the Clarisys speakers?

ozzy

@ozzy 

Yes, the Accuphase A-300 are monoblocks, and double down all the way to 1 ohm. 

The Minuets are 4.25 ohms with the neodymium magnets according to the Clarisys website. So the Accuphase A-300 monoblocks would be putting out about 235 watts into the 4.25 ohm Minuets. 

I have not heard these speakers at all. I’ve just read everything I can find about them and apparently they are awesome if the articles aren’t hyping them.

I've listened to the larger Clarysis speakers at the Munich High End show. They sound superb and are beautifully built. They are not over priced for what they are especially considering the number of neodymium magnets required. They have all the good aspects of Apogees with none of the drawbacks.

I own the Accuphase A300 Monos and prefer them to (owned these, Parasound JC1+,ARC M160s, Gryphon Antilleon EVO stereo) tried on demo the REIs. Accuphase A300 is a long term keeper. They easily run my Rockport Cygnus, but have no experience with Clarysis. Good luck.

Based on the reviews I have read, I would think the Accuphase would be impressive with the Clarisys speakers.

Here is a link to the Michi 8 amps that was compared to the much more expensive darTZeel NHB-468 amps.

ozzy

Rotel Michi M8 monoblock power amplifier | Stereophile.com

I am impressed that this thread has evolved to discussing audio (cool speakers!) and not fallen into a nasty debate like many of them! 

I listened to the Clarisys at The Show in Costa Mesa this last weekend along with many others. If I had the money in my pocket and was there to buy, I would have left with a pair of Piega Coax loudspeakers. By far my favorite of all I listened to at the show. Of course, the 90k system that was running them did have a little to do with it. J Sikora turntable and phono stage, Lyra cartridge, Air Tight amp and  pre amp, Luna and Shunyata cables. 

 

charliee,

I guess that is why it’s called a system. Or "it’s only as good as the weakest link".

We all are striving for that elusive magic combo.

ozzy

besides the system, maybe the synergy too. Cheaper components can have synergy also and can sound great. That's my excuse for being poor. 

Getting banned from the pathetic forum known as WBF was one of the best things that has happened to me in years. The forum morphed into a soap box for its owners who think they know a ton more about audio and music than they do. To that, there are always the same actors arguing amongst themselves and initiating threads that are nothing more than exercises in total boredom.

There are so many better forums to belong to, including this one. 
 

When I first started my Audiophile journey many years ago, I learned about the Audiogon website.  I utilized it daily with much interest in people's ideas.  However, I found too many comments from caustic people, comments made without experience with the product, or slamming manufacturers without knowing the full background.  I had to have a thread I started removed to give audiophiles a review of a high-end DAC.  I was criticized for discussing a $ 50,000 DAC when all I was trying to do was share my viewpoint.  

About 6 years ago, I discovered WBF, and I am super happy that I did.  The WBF forum members have taught me a great deal about audio, and I genuinely respect their opinions.  I now have friendships from all around the world.  I have even purchased many components without ever hearing them based on recommendations from WBF forum members.  

 

The way you can communicate on WBF is far superior to Audiogon.  Audiogon is more focused on selling used equipment.  They both serve a purpose.