What speakers would be an upgrade from my klipsch la scallas and my Klipsch Chorus

I spent a lot of time recently, post damping, listening to familiar stuff, and it does sound better...although I'm not particularly "tuned to the differences," it is an improvement seemingly to the clarity and mid range tonal coherence, and my skills cutting up rubbery stuff. I wish I'd put the first damped horn back in to A/B it with the non damped horn but I already had them both out of the boxes so...meh...in any case a cheap and interesting useful tweak. By the way, the 2 12" squares of Dynamat is pretty much exactly enough for both mid horns in a Heresy III.

Wolf, great..........subtle is good I suppose. I hear dramatic changes each and every time I do it. My ears are very tuned to the differences. With time, I believe, with recently listened to familiar music, you will hear a cleaner presentation. Enjoy ! MrD.

So I carefully Dynamated (as opposed to dynamited, which would be too explosive) my midrange horns in the Heresy IIIs and it’s a nice but subtle improvement, although they were fine before the Dynamat operation and I did both at the same time so I didn’t A/B them. However, as with many tweaks, the fact that I know the horns are damped makes me feel better about them, and that's what matters...me...it's all about me...

Well everybody I tried the definitive technology 9080x speakers for about three weeks and I’m not happy with them I was on the fence until the atmos speakers blew and started popping. They are getting boxed up and sent back. I already hooked up my Klipsch Chorus and LaScala. And rediscovered how good they sound. Lesson learned 🤪

devaultcarl1 The Lascala, Khorn and Belle all use the rear horn support, as it is a larger and heavier horn than say the Cornwall, Heresy, Chorus and Forte, so I knew you were talking about the Lascala. I am guessing you have the metal horns, and they too need damping. As far as an upgrade, I do not think so at the price, but I am very partial. A pair of fast subwoofers will do nicely, and it can take awhile dialing them in to where they are coherent with the Lascalas. What are you trying to achieve with your sound system ? Enjoy ! MrD.

Autospec…+ 1     Enjoy ! MrD.

So my take on trying to upgrade to another speaker brand in my price range is there isn’t an upgrade, so you improve what you have to suit your personal tastes.
ps. Mr.d can I mount my midrange horn on the outside of the box instead from the inside by simply loading it in from the front and moving the rear support? Sorry I didn’t mention the speakers I’m referring to are my LaScalas 🤪

If you take the Dynamat and put it on the back side of the horn , Then take a heat gun or hair dryer and warm it , you can form it anyway you want with out any issues.....

P.S. Important ! P.S. I forgot to mention that you need to leave some space around the perimeter of the widest portion of the horn, so the horn can fit flush, again, with the cabinet. This was not a concern, when the horns were mounted from the rear of the baffle. Enjoy ! MrD.

Wolf, Awesome ! I know how you feel about your H111s, but you will appreciate the design more, and of course, the music. Ozzy, I have never used modelling clay, although I don’t see why not. You do need something that will not peel or loosen off, change it’s shape, or be vulnerable to differences of hot and cold, in which it’s damping properties might change. Good luck, and take your time, as you will be rewarded for your work. Enjoy ! MrD.

Mr. D

I purchased modeling clay with the intention to damp my K-400s. Do you think this would work?

Oz

I've got the Dynamat, I've got the time, I'm gonna do it.

Wolf, Roxy, and everyone......Listen, all I am trying to do is to help folks maximize their investment with their horns. Why Klipsch ( and other manufacturers ) do not add damping material is understandable, because, they are " still " built to a price point; they always have been. Besides various thicknesses of Dynamat, there is a product you can buy at your local Lowes / HD, that does an excellent job of damping horns. It is a roofing repair tape, UPC number : 099713034013 , at the HD. It is easier to work with on the smaller horns than Dynamat. I tried posting pictures here on several horns I have done, but with no success. The adhesive side is sticky, and you need to use your thumbs to press down firmly onto the horns. Do a piece on 1 horn, than the other horn, as exactly as you can. Mirror image them. You can cut larger or smaller pieces, and the pieces can overlap. Make sure each pair of horns are matched, because it does make a difference. I generally do the horn tweeters as well as the woofer frames, if I have the entire speaker in my possession. In the early days, I used Mortite to do all of this damping ( mortite was great for the underside of ringing turntable platters as well, as I am now dating myself ). And my math was incorrect, as it has been 50 years I have been damping speakers. I dampen everything, actually. Anyway, I apologize if I came on too strong, but this is what I do, all for the greater enjoyment of music listening...………...Enjoy ! MrD.

Wolf, the series II horns are the same way, with all of the ridges. Unlike Roxy, I feel it does need to be near perfect. Each piece needs to be cut identically ( per pair ) and adhered to each horn in the same area of the horn. This is why I say it " is " labor intensive. Customers pay me to do it, because I am a perfectionist, and it does matter how exact. I am sorry, but 40 plus years doing this damping ( on metal horns as well ), gives me the right to suggest otherwise. However, as Roxy does say, it will pay off big time. Enjoy ! MrD.

Wolf,
I know what you mean about the ridges, and the horns on my Epics don't have them, so you'll have more difficulty, but remember, it doesn't have to be perfect. Just sit down with a good pair of scissors or a razor knife and take your time. It will be rewarded.  

The horn in the Heresy III isn't metal (plastic), which could arguably ring...and it's full of little bracing ridges so cutting the damping panels seems fiddly. Please say you (pr anybody else) damped a horn like that and I'll do the operation. Prodding...I seem to need prodding.

Wolf,
I would say take the minimal time required and damp the horn. I did it years ago with my Klipsch Epic CF-4 speakers, and yes, it sounds smoother and more composed.

Wolf, yes, and a few pair of Cornwall IIIs( I have done many pair of various models ). Not difficult, but very labor intensive, but worth it. If you PM me, I can give you more info. Enjoy ! MrD.

Best deal ever.  There’s a pair on eBay in Connecticut for 900 but you have to pick up. 

The last pair of LaScala's I bought I paid 500.00 for  delivered to my home in Idaho....The person I bought them from drove 200 miles to deliver them...........I don't think you can match that deal.......

2800 for my beautiful LaScalas 

I do like the LaScala in it stock form....I don't like the look of it...I like that big horn look, so I have worked on it from that view point....If I could find a pair of Belle's that would also work.......The best thing about the "Heritage" Klipsch speaker is the front loaded horn for bass......I also have a pair of Klipsch horns which are stock.......

Auto spec  so you don’t really like the LaScalas the way they were supposed to sound. I don’t understand why people still call them LaScalas when they change every speaker in the cabinet and when that’s not enough they cut up the cabinets. And then call them modified LaScalas.
i replaced my old crossover and caps and tweeters because on was blown. I think they sound amazing.

I have newish Heresy IIIs and they're great. I have the "stick on" damping stuff but I’m too lazy to stick it on the mid horns...so far...I took a horn out and the ribbed plastic just made me put it back in and save the operation for a rainy day. Has anybody around here damped the horns on a new version Heresy?

I own and listen to many speakers to include Wilson Cubs, Wilson Watt Puppies, Sophia s, Several Pro-Ac, Altec A-7, Klipsch K-horns and modified LaScalas.....The speakers I use the most are the K-horns and my LaScalas (modified)   The LaScala cabinets have been cut in half, to leave only the Bass cabinets, A very large Altec horn on top with a JBL 2445H driver and a modified Klipsch "AA" crossover with the tweeter section removed.......If you had this tube driven system you would through everything else out.....Thats my story, try it     WILL

If the def techs don't work out look at the Legacy Audio speakers. A little over 2 years ago I bought a pair of Klips RF-7II. I kept these speakers in my family room system for about 5 months, speakers were way to bright for any long time listening and would cause fatigue, so I packed them up and put them in my storeroom at work.  I went out and bought a pair of Legacy Audio Focus SE's and problem solved. The AMT Twitter reproduces a smooth and detailed Higgs. I know the Focus SE (new) are outside your price range, but sometimes a used pair pops up that comes close to your budget. 

So sorry I hate auto spell

Don't mean to be the grammar police, but at least proof read what you write. Please..........

Update I just opened my definitive Technology bp 9080x speakers.listened to them on songs that are new sounds good on my chorus & LaScalas and I’m not shyer if they were an upgrade. The def tecs have more lowend and I here this word a lot transparent highs, but I miss the part that I didn’t like about the chorus is the loudness of the horns. Nothing sounds like the horns . The only thing I didn’t like about them is when you turn the up around 100+decibels. I will give the def techs. A while to burn in and move them around before I make the call to send them back.

I dunno why you would want to upgrade. Colleen "Cosmo"Murphy uses only La Scallas for her Classic Album Sundays:

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Only one smart ass😁

Did some smart guy say
"Anything" ??

@rxonmymind...….Have you damped the mid horns of your Bells ? I have been advocating this simple mod on a couple of threads here ( a big subject on the Klipsch site forums ). It truly takes the speakers to another level. Enjoy ! 

Op,
I have the Bell's I'm happy with. Now IF o were to get a second pair I've heard a LOT of good things about the Forte III. If you can find a dealer nearby do so. I know what you mean about horns and some vocals. I was just listening to Kate Melua song titled Piece by piece and there's a freedom that her voice is given on horns. Unbelievable. While my Yamaha NS-200M are have a better sparkle up top nothing comes close to reproducing jazz like horns. 
Good luck in your search. 

^^That was hilarious. That's why I didn't get into tubes. Pretty much covered it. 

Great tube amps aren't "euphonic" or muddy or anything other than musically accurate, more linear, and hipper...unless you have one of those new Pass amps, which in itself is pretty hip even with zero tubes. Otherwise I get that many don't feel like chasing after the lure of "better," older, more rare, less rare but great and you don't know it, expensive or not, finger burning, well regarded, pure crap, U.S.A. sourced, Chinese, Russian, beautifully glowing, exploding, gold pin, rusty pin, SS (although replacing a tube with a SS device seems like heresy), or otherwise always burning out eventually, tubes. I get it.

Good luck with your new speakers....  just know that you don't need to be afraid of tubes, especially if you have efficient speakers.   There are many good tube amps that are reliable and affordable.   Quicksilver and Rogue come to mind first , but there are plenty of others.   

Thanks mr D I just bought a pair of definitive Technology bp9080x there on the way as I wright this. I think to get the mist out of these klipsch speakers you have to run a tube amp and I’m not ready for that yet.

Very familiar with the model 19s. The lack of coherence ( between the woofer and horn ) is something I cannot live with. As far as the B&Ws, never have I heard a pair that can reproduce the trumpet playing of Miles as accurately as my Lascalas ( as well as some other " good " horns ). To each his own, right. To the OP : I am aware that you are new to the Gon, and we welcome you, but I feel you are very confused, and not sure of what you want, so you should start listening to other things before you make a switch of any kind. We are all here to help you, given the fact, however, that each of us have our own priorities of what sounds best to each of us. Enjoy ! MrD.

I sold my vintage lascalas for vintage altec model 19s .Couldn’t be happier. The altecs go very low and are more dynamic and just as sensitive. Love these altecs. a nice pair is within your budget. 

I recently traded La Scalla IIs for some B&W 804 D3s. Fantastic upgrade!  If I were you, I go with some Klipsch Forte IIIs. Then start saving for a Pass XA25. I think this is a match made in heaven.

Don’t get me wrong I do like my klipsch speakers. The reason I bought the La Scalas was to find a speaker that my chorus’s wouldn’t drown out because of there super sensitivity and the La Scalas hold on here own

Have you thought about trying a different amp?  I would give a try if possible, I think the Emos are extreme overkill for Lascalas

Enjoy ! MrD.

I’m located in Michigan, I just bought bob Crites compleat crossovers and tweeters
i can’t sell the la scallas for no less than $3000 and 800 for chorus. 3500 for both

Klipsch Heresy IIIs (since you seem to like Klipsch) and a couple of subs (RELs)...I recently started using this setup and it’s sounding astonishingly good, and it’s all within your 4 grand budget. You’d have money left over to get that Dennis Had 10 watt per side KT150 triode amp on Ebay (although it may be gone by the time you see this).

Where are you located, as I will buy, for the right price, your Lascalas. I guess from your other thread, you are not interested in doing the midhorn damping ? Too Bad, as it is very significant in how this cleans things up. Maybe try a smaller, high quality ss amp, or a tube amp. Anything else in speakers you go to, will be quite extreme in differences, a complete 180. Enjoy ! MrD.