What is "low ball"

Don't hurt yourself Herman. Some people can't stand others success, weather they buy or sell. If talking out both sides of my mouth makes me successful, why take it out on me? Crying about anothers success won't help you any more than make up helps an ugly girl. Happy listening.

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It's funny that you found my, and others, taking offense offensive yourself.

Once again, somebody putting words in my mouth. I never said I found it "offensive" or anything even close to that.

Why do you feel the need to misquote me and make things up to try and make your point?

You and Polk are a couple of clowns. You get backed into a corner with illogical arguments and then make things up to try and get out.

It is obvious you are just arguing for the sake of arguing since you keep making things up just like Polk has. The post above proves that Polk talks out of both sides of his mouth. In this thread he is offended by negotiators and in previous threads he revels in beating them into submission.

cash is still King and the sellers will finally give in.

You are what I call "internet idiots." Not that you're really an idiot, but you get on these forums, say something idiotic, and then defend it to death with even more idiotic arguments.

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Again, a deal that is good for both parties is usually a good deal. I still have a much better position through honest dealings than most people that want things for free. Why can't lowball losers just figure out that they can't have everything, anymore than a person that can pay as they go? As you can see by my comments it goes both ways. I purchased 4 new Mustangs in 8 years, and did not get the deal I wanted on car 3, so I paid a little more to another dealer and you can bet your boots when I bought car 4 I got a much better price than both. I will still not cater to a lowballer. I can afford a non sale and a purchase after anyway. Don't be mad just because you can't. Best of luck.

Again, a deal that is good for both parties is usually a good deal. I still have a much better position through honest dealings than most people that want things for free. Why can't lowball losers just figure out that they can't have everything, anymore than a person that can pay as they go? As you can see by my comments it goes both ways. I purchased 4 new Mustangs in 8 years, and did not get the deal I wanted on car 3, so I paid a little more to another dealer and you can bet your boots when I bought car 4 I got a much better price than both. I will still not cater to a lowballer. I can afford a non sale and a purchase after anyway. Don't be mad just because can't. Best of luck.

01-02-11: Polk432
when I was working, and have been lucky enough NEVER to have paid retail for anything in my life. NEVER will either. I'll go without as long as I have to, but cash is still King and the sellers will finally give in. I'm happy

Enough said!

02-03-12: Polk432
If a buyer thinks they can pay whatever they want, then step up to the plate and pay retail...unless you don't have enough to be in the hobby to begin with.

He said it...

02-04-12: Polk432 I'm still standin.

California, don't bother recording that little tremor. It was just Polk432 hitting the canvas in Florida...

AMEN! You make sense, but if he stops now the funs over. Cars take some homework but it's well worth it.

If I bought a car I would know the price I could realistically get it for when I arrive. It's called doing your homework. I guess getting offended one time out of the many negotiations I have had should immediately diqualify me from participating in them any more. I just avoid the bottom line question and ask the buyer to make an offer. It's funny that you found my, and others, taking offense offensive yourself. I mean you found my initial comment "so foreign to me that I don't know how to respond." Yet you did and have over and over. It could be inferred from your logic that you shouldn't participate in this type of thread anymore. AMEN!

Is this lowballing or just the "Art of Negotiation"?

Guy: “If I gave you a million dollars, would you sleep with me?”

Girl: “A million dollars is a lot of money, and you don’t look that bad, so I guess I would consider it”

Guy: “Ok, since I don’t have a million dollars, would you sleep with me for $100?”

Girl: (outraged) “What kind of girl do you think I am?”

Guy: “We’ve already established the answer to that question. Now we’re just negotiating the price”

I'm going to Wanted to Buy section. Maybe I find someone else willing to sell.

Mullet?

Well, any takers on the Guitar?

Here's one for ya. How about a New D-35 Martin Guitar for 1700.00 free shipping and insurance, no paypal fees. Case, 3 sets of strings, Combo hygrometer therometer, combo tuner metronome also free.

Maybe, but I still want to know how it sounds. You just don't get it do ya Hifi. High&Dry I'm still standin.

Maybe THIS THREAD qualifies Polk432 for a Foot in Mouth Award.

But sir, it's valued at over $3000.00. Why such a low offer?
I would be willing to let it go for $3000.00 and no less!

Let us know how it sounds!

$750 is my final price.

3100.00 not 350.00? I wonder what Herman would bid?

"Folks,
Anybuddy has Accuphase DP75 for $350 ready to buy it tomorrow.
THANKS!"

Got one. Asking $3100.00. That's the lowest I'll go.

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you completely missed my point.

When my best offer is asked, I have already negotiated against myself. Negotiations are done at that point, period.

Why do you believe everyone negotiates like you do?

Many will not give you their bottom line at first in hopes of getting more.

Unfortunately I am not psychic. How do I know which type you are unless I ask you to reduce your price? It is a process of feeling out the other party to try and discover what their true bottom line is. It has nothing to do with courtesy.

I would love to be the car dealer when you come in. Do you really believe they give you their best price just because you ask for it.

Like I said, if you are offended by negotiations just don't do it.

Amen

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Folks,
Anybuddy has Accuphase DP75 for $350 ready to buy it tomorrow.
THANKS!

A-men.

Let me put it another way. If that person opened with their offer, I would have negotiated and not had a problem with the offer. We certainly would never have reached an agreement though. The bottom line is not known until you get there. When my best offer is asked, I have already negotiated against myself. Negotiations are done at that point, period. No different than your suggestion of listing a firm price.It is exactly that, firm. If that price is too high, look elsewhere. Don't ask for a significant reduction from the lowest price. That is a lack of courtesy. I have negotiated deals many times on this site without incident. Many were successful, some were not. This was the only incident that I have felt that way, so don't tell me I have thin skin. One thing I certainly do when my best price is asked since that incident, is ask the buyer to make their offer. I will not negotiate against myself again. At that point, we can negotiate or not. If the sale doesn't happen, no big deal. If you still don't understand my POV, I don't really care.

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Your straw man argument is idiotic. Please quit making things up and attributing them to me.

I said you should not get offended by an offer. I did not suggest you had to accept it.

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So in other words, give it away.

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It is called courtesy.

No, it is called negotiation.

if someone asks you your bottom line and you give it to them, then don't bother offering lower because it is the bottom line.

That's not the way the way the real world works. When you give your bottom line you may be firm, but a lot of people respond with a price higher than they are ultimately willing to take. Since I don't have any idea whether you are firm or not I have to offer lower to find out. Again, it is called a negotiation.

If you are so easily offended then don't negotiate. Say so in the first place and list it firm then ignore anything below your price. Once you open the door to a negotiation it is ridiculous to get "offended" at an offer, any offer.

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I'm happy the way things are, and hope others are too. There's just no way anyone will convince me that I should cater to lowballers. I really don't feel my attitude is sad pathetic or uneviable at all. Being happy just to be able to see, hear, and use all of my limbs is good enough for me. Making the sacrifices that I have to keep from being a burden to society isn't exactly what I call the sign of a loser. If people are in debt, that was their choice. No lowballers please. I agree with Yogiboy on paypal.

Don't be sad Herman, she'll get over it, and I already have. Lowballers have nothing to lose, and I'm just not into the Leave it to Beaver lifstyle. You have to make it with or without someone.
Polk432

Polk, I'm pretty sure Herman is not saying he is sad, meaning unhappy or depressed, over your situation. He's saying your situation/attitude/outlook is sad, meaning pitiful, pathetic or unenviable.
But you ain't gonna get it.

When I list something, I put free shipping and no paypal fee with price firm. This blocks out all lowballers without saying no lowballers. I have always sold listing this way. I think it takes more balls to ask for the buyer to pay for paypal.

Another lowball part of this thread is the family counseling.

I like to go to urban dictionary for most of my slang:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lowball

Don't be sad Herman, she'll get over it, and I already have. Lowballers have nothing to lose, and I'm just not into the Leave it to Beaver lifstyle. You have to make it with or without someone.

If someone asks you your bottom line and you give it to them, then don't bother offering lower because it is the bottom line. It is called courtesy. Lack of sourtesy is offensive, period. If you don't get it, sorry. What is sad is thinking lack of courtesy is ok.

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Csmgolf, "offensive" ?????

That is so foreign to me I have no idea how to respond. You get an email for lower than you expect and you are "offended." Very sad really.

Polk, I see we are so far apart on life experiences that further conversation is pointless. I married the love of my life 25 years ago and everything WE have is OURS. I pity someone who goes through life looking over their shoulder worrying about splitting up. We have joint accounts, everything is in both our names, We plan to go to our graves with whoever survives getting whatever there is.

Very sad you feel the need to flaunt what you have to your partner to feel superior and hide what you have to protect it.

very sad

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I was able to sell for between my original asking price and my offer to the other "buyer". The person that bought was happy with the deal they got, go figure.

I'm glad you were able to stick to your guns. If 2K was a fair price to begin with, your 300.00 discount was more than generous. Best of luck.

I've had multiple low offers that have ended up resulting in a sale thru negotiation. As others have said, you never know. I alway leave myself some wiggle room between what I would like to get and what I am willing to accept. I pay attention to listing prices for gear I own on the chance that I may sell it. I price items near the middle of the going range and allow for condition.

I've only been low balled by one potential buyer. I had an item for sale and was asked the dreaded "What's your best price?" question. I gave an answer which was about $300 less (for a $2000 item) than what I was asking and was lower than I had ever seen it go for. This person responded with an offer that was 25% lower than my offer. I did not respond back. After several days I was asked if I received the offer. I responded by asking if my lowest offer had been received. I never heard from that person again. Certainly, that was both low ball and offensive. I have no desire to deal with people like that but realize that to a certain extent it goes with the territory of buying and selling online.

Money means nothing. You can't buy your health with it. I feel rich because I have use of both my eyes, ears, and have use of all of my limbs. I've seen my share of those who don't, and they're still standing if you know what I mean. As far as relationships go, domination is only a bedroom thing for some. People don't come with guarantees, so if things don't work out, I don't want to be out any more than my ex. Why should I? Some people are just screw ups when it comes to money and/ or responsibilities. If I want big ugly speakers and pay for them, why not. If she pays for ugly drapes and likes them, I'm not going to complain. I may not have as much as a lot of people, but I'm happy for what I do have. I sure hope all the bad guys on Smackdown win tonight. Happy listening.

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First reaction is how can you say you have no more than others when you retire at 49 and most people live in debt? I'm doing OK myself but realize how fortunate I am to be in the situation I'm in.

So I'm thinking;;; I really don't know you, maybe I'm taking your rants about welfare cheats, whiners, and bottom feeders the wrong way so I look at your other responses and find this response about dealing with wives and girlfriends.

Stay out of debt, always make sure you have more money than her (so you can stick it to her how much more responsible you are than her) and keep separate bank accounts. Then go out and buy what ever the hell you want. Remember to hide your gold. Happy listening.

When I got to that I understood. No wonder you have such contempt for lowballers when your idea of a good relationship is one built on dominance and deception. If you don't see how that is wrong on so many levels we will never be able to see eye to eye.

Wish I had seen that earlier so wouldn't have wasted my time trying to reason with you.

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Herman, I do not have any more than anyone else. This is supposed to be about unacceptable lowballing. The reason some people have less than others is because they can't control their spending and expext someone else to make up the difference. Not that I feel that I have to explain to you or anyone else, but if you don't manage your money, it'll manage you. As far as the few that really deserve to be on welfare, (ask anyone that collects) the Gov. makes it too easy. They people that can work feel it is not in their best interest to work 40 hours a week just to make a few extra dollars. 88% is a lowball figure. Happy listening.

wow,

You've posted 36 times to this thread so far, repeating the same theme multiple times. Freud would have a field day with you.

We get it, you've got yours and to hell with anybody who does not. You are a superior being because you made a lot of money and people who are struggling should not be bothering you.

BTW, how did you calculate 88% of those on welfare don't need it?

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When the seller refuses to lower their price, they ARE tyhe ones with the gold, not the buyer that can't pay retail.

If a buyer thinks they can pay whatever they want, then step up to the plate and pay retail...unless you don't have enough to be in the hobby to begin with. If something is priced too high the seller is a bad guy, but if the seller steps down to a lowball price, he's now a good guy. There are enough freeloaders in the world already.

Low ball is, simply, the price where the seller thinks ''ridiculous'' in his mind when he sees it. Not even worth a reply if you asked me. And if you feel it is ridiculous, you can bet the "potential buyer" knows it too. Shame.

Many prices listed by Sellers on Gon are absurdly high, for used stuff - especially cartridges or tubes "with only 200 hours" on them - with no warranty or realistic return option, and considerable legal risk. You see the same things which haven't sold listed repeatedly with only trivial reductions in the asking price. This is a tiny market, the offerer may suspect that there may be few if any potential buyers for old, obscure gear, and it is not uncommon to get no offers at all. A buyer has almost no legal recourse (sue in another state? get real) on a bad deal, and the aomunts involved are too low to justify suit in any event. The risk to the seller, who doesn't ship until payment is received, is relatively small, but the risk to the buyer is rarely factored into the equation in a reasonable way. So if someone responds to a price that's too high with an offer that's too low, that is not unreasonable. People can offer whatever they want, it's still a free country! You never know, the Seller may be more interested in unloading something he doesn't use and moving on, than messing around trying to squeeze a few more bucks out of the deal. A seller can ignore the offer and let it die on the vine, or make a counter-offer. Give the stuff away if you can't get what you think it's worth. Whining about "lowballers" is pathetic. It's just spam, delete it. Besides, deals are governed by the "Golden Rule" - the one with the gold makes the rules, not the silly seller.

Yes, yet another of the classic scam formats, and a great opportunity for you to relinquish a barrage of creative expletives you've been reserving for your final day of employment.

Classic scam to procure your personal information. Do not even respond to it.

I didn't engage him at all. Just too many oddities in a generic email. Offering $50 more and telling me to cancel the ad. Having his mover pick it up? Just seems like someone looking to cause trouble. Will his mover need my social?

In regards to low balling, if the buyer has a decent price but says B/O, I think it's fair to ask them to include shipping or to go for 5-10% less.

I've listed nice gear in the $4k range that sold in hours with a few $1500 offers in there. Wishful thinking, but I also think that some of these people are just looking for interaction. Maybe they don't get out much.

I don't see anything fishy at all. I'd give him all the personal information he wants to know and throw in my PayPal password just in case he might need that as he was ripping me off.
Just make sure your bank can process checks FROM NIGERIA!

I wouldn't ship the item until the check clears at least 30 days (in case it's a phoney ) this way you'll still have your item. Don't ship until you cash the check. Even a money order can be reversed if a person pays for it by check and not cash. Be careful. Have you got the all of the buyers info? I'm just sayin'..............

no, you're not overreacting.