Ron and his whole family have been battling Covid for a month. This is a update he posted on YouTube. Good to hear things are improving and wishing him and family the best.
Watch "Where have I been? Covid-19" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/Dl7xO3zMbDo
First Fauci control is a fact...useless to debate about a fact...
Second i dont negate Russian and chinese propaganda EXISTENCE..
I claim to be insane the way you use this fact in your post frantically like mcCarthy used the REAL communist propaganda in america to DIVIDE people in 2 groups: vaxx anti vaxx......
you catch it?
America political choices are not directed now by Russian and Chineese propaganda save for reader of comic books..
Communist propaganda exist but dont explain corporate greed and control in america and world wide...save in super heroes book...
You don’t even have enough research skills to even know where that article came from. Yet, you expect anyone with any sense to believe you know anything else except what you have heard parrotted by someone else. Sure Polly. Sure. Get off the perch and learn something
Sane: Anthony Fauci controls Big Pharma and has for years!
Insane: Russia and China promote false propaganda on social media in attacking America’s national security (never mind what our national security and intelligence apparatuses say....).
Do you believe mass vaccinations have saved lives on a massive scale?
if you don’t we can stop there.
if you do, then how do you balance the loss of freedom incurred?
First i apologize to you...
i misread your intention sorry...
Yes vaccinations have saved life...
but vaccination on a massive scale in the actual conditions is not science it is political control...
Especially with a very mutating viruses..A non mutating viruses can be adressed by massive vaccination of a precise designed population yes but a mutating reoccuring virus like flu is not... vaccination of ld people and some other people at risk yes and preventive solutions for others are the way...
We then need with vaccination for at risk people on all earth low cost drugs for the non immune compromised majority of people..
A large portion of the garbage being pushed out is nothing more than Russian and Chinese propaganda. You don’t think they’re busily taking notes on how easy it would be to effect a massively successfuly biological attack on America, do you? Hell, now they see how easy it would be to kill off hundreds of thousands of Americans because...................."freedom".
Insane....Too much insanities claims to rectify...
Except for some people who use his beef with Anthony Fauci to attack Fauci's credibility and are engaged in a massive character assassination attack on him.
Evidence is now clear that in fact, "natural" antibody response is not as effective as the mRNA vaccines. And no one knows the length of antibody activity at this time.
This is correct.
Funny, I just took a phone call yesterday from a business owner who I have dealt with in the past. She wanted to know about the status of the federal vaccine mandate (it's lingering, no immediate action pending anytime soon - likely be 1Q 2022 before anything is decided - it's going to SCOTUS regardless of what the Sixth Circuit decides). Any way, she also wanted to know if vaccinations would be required for those who already had Covid because, you know, those people are "27 more times protected against a re-infection as those who are vaccinated". I had to gently tell her "no, m'am, that's not the best information available." I advised her that, while "natural immunity" based on prior infection is certainly valuable, and that it could surely be enough to prevent one from being re-infected, there is no credible data out there to suggest it's better than vaccinations. Data is piling up by the day that vaccines are more effective at preventing infection than "natural immunity". It's better than nothing, sure, but it's not better than a double dose of one of the vaccines (which, as has been pointed out, are NOT "experimental"). There really is no substantive scientific debate about it. A few outliers with agendas, sure (Scott Atlas, anyone?) but.........it's background noise.
Thankfully, as she always has been when I've had to correct her misinformation during prior interactions, she was very receptive, not argumentative at all. She wanted to know what information I was working from ("CDC?"), and I politely explained that the CDC is the clearinghouse for all the in-house studies being done by teaching hospitals, healthcare foundations and institutions, regional health departments, etc. They're crunching their numbers and passing them on: some are on a community-wide basis, county-wide, state-wide, even hospital-wide. All manner of numbers are coming in daily from anyone and eveyone who has a hand in tracking, diagnosing and treating Covid cases. It's unfortunate that the other side just keeps making stuff up at almost the same pace in their zeal to deny reality. A large portion of the garbage being pushed out is nothing more than Russian and Chinese propaganda. You don't think they're busily taking notes on how easy it would be to effect a massively successfuly biological attack on America, do you? Hell, now they see how easy it would be to kill off hundreds of thousands of Americans because...................."freedom". Very easy to politically divide and conquer with simple propganda. Make it about..........masks. Make it about something that Americans of all stripe have gotten for DECADES: vaccinations. Little Johnny play Little League? He needed a "forced medical procedure" in the way of a simple physical exam. "Forced immunization" to attend grade school. Now suddenly this is new? Time to plant a political flag about "too much government control!"?
They're now calling it a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" for good reason. When 99+% of serious hospitalizations and deaths are of the unvaccinated....well.
Look at this way: if you walk into a casino and have a 99-to-1 chance of winning $1,000,000 on a $10,000 bet.........who's NOT going to take those odds in a New York minute? You'd be crazy not to, right?
is your freedom threatened by mass Covid vaccinations?
Do you not believe they’ve saved lives? (Perhaps you don’t .)
Or do you believe massive loss of life is worth it for your freedom?
Another accusation resembling a fact put in my mouth...
I never contested the usefulness of vaccine i contested the MASS INSANE forced politic mandates obligation...my refusal of mandates is based on mass evolution dynamic of mutating viruses in epidemiology first, then on democratic freedom second, yes...Not on Trump or Biden clowns politic...
Vaxx are tools like any drug( ivermectin and others)
Dividing people between "vaxxer" and "horse paste" user is insanity...
Dont put me in these 2 groups of people with words you put in my mouth...
It seems someone who dont take for cash all the " black or white" opinions by these 2 insane group: mass vaxxers and fools " who think Mullis was assassinated" is no more understood...
count me out...
In a schoolyard where there exist two groups of foes ANYBODY is compel to choose.. Sorry i am not one children in your ball park...i think then i am with no groups of extremists: insane political vaxx mass action is not for me nor is negation of the existence of this virus...
Your reaction resemble a child reaction when he "proudly" spot an error in the discourse of a grown up...
Uhmm OK, so read further in that asinine post by @artemus_5:
"Why is the vaccine mandated or lose your job?"
Why have vaccines always been mandated for children if they want go to school? Same reason. They don't call it PUBLIC HEALTH just for giggles, you know?
"Why do you still need a mask IF the vaccine works?"
Because vaccines are NEVER, EVER 100% effective, and you can be transmissive anytime you are infected, whether you are symptomatic or not. Exactly as with Influenza, measles, etc. etc. As pointed out ad nauseum by every expert everywhere, while ignored in the fever swamps of the internet.
"Why is ivermectin, hydrochloroguine et al not allowed to be used despite its efficacy rate?"
There is no established "efficacy rate" for either of these. Just anecdotal nonsense. YOU tell ME why anti-parisitcal medications *would* be efficacious against a VIRUS? All real studies have shown hydroxchloroquine to be ineffective. Both have side effects as well. Yes, vaccines have side effects, but they are also efficacious.
"Why is the vaccine mandated even on those who have had Covid and have better immunity than the vaccine gives?"
Evidence is now clear that in fact, "natural" antibody response is not as effective as the mRNA vaccines. And no one knows the length of antibody activity at this time.
So, @mahgister6, you tell me whether, in light of the baseless nonsense in the rest of his post, I should assume he a) obviously knew what he was talking about, but made a simple ommission, or b) he's clueless about biology and vaccines? If you choose a) then I submit you are hopeless. And, it's not my job to pick out the rare omission out of a trough of swill.
Sorry, but we "children" are wont to read and react to the tone and content of the entire post/response, instead of instead of working ourselves up into a slathering froth on perusing merely the response lede.
Kind of like that Federalist article "documenting" how masks were hazardous to children! Maybe we should just peruse a few issues of that one - I’m sure we’ll stumble across something that talks about Tony Fauci’s iron-fisted control of Big Pharma (in partnership with George Soros) and his minority interest in the Rothschild’s space lasers! ⚡⚡
hartf36 Are you conscious that your post content is a political rant like those you attack rightfully or not?
Sorry mahgister, but this time you're painfully wrong on this one. HIs post was a medical one based on his expertise on the subject. The fact that he points out how wrong others are due to their politics doesn't make his doing so political.
And, don't you just love the censorship going on from the snowflakes who rail against it? What blatant hypocracy and cowardness on display.
The opinion of many ...and among them of 2 Nobel winner prize who know this man are not a proof but they had more value than your opinion about Fauci promoting him here...
Then read my opinion like you read your own...
You dont know who is Fauci, these 2 guys know him professionnaly ...
Call me an idiot but keep your hypocrital acusation for yourself...
you have only post political motivated attacks here...
There is no attempt at wisdom by the way....Wisdom is wisdom...
Even a crook could spoke and mimic a wisdom seer...
Wisdom is simple for sure; for example "dont insult" maxim ...
if a crook say "dont insult" ; the fact that a crook say it, substract nothing to the value of the advice itself ...
Then accusing me of "faking" wisdom speak about you not about me...
You are completely ignorant of facts about the power and greed implication of corporations in Fauci business control...Easy to verify...
Another insane post politically motivated, taking a non proved, probably and certainly false fact, and putting it in my mouth and attributing it to me...All that to hide a verifiable fact about Fauci reputation...
But someone unable to think inevitably will destroy even the branch where he sit unbeknownst to him and visible to all...
Insulting is not thinking sorry....But it is well known that some has no care for truth...Only count political points in their game...
Quoting your post like i did is stupid on my part i agree...I am not perfect for sure...
Discussing with fools is itself a fool business...
My best to you ...
Do you also believe that it was FAUCI, of all people, who had Mullis killed.....?
Another strawman politically driven post against truth by promoting half truth...
Even a child understand that a new technology always is born by a STRING of scientists works, not one..But is this contradict the fact that there exist a man who devise the first idea? No save for someone reading self promoted "fact chekers" employed by the censorship google itself...It is easy to verify who has the idea of mRNA technology...It is a year date in all books....Even biased wiki said so....
Newsflash: Robert Mallone did NOT invent mRNA vaccines. He was simply one of many who had a hand in their development. He sounds rather sour-grapes-ish about things.
Newsflash: Robert Mallone did NOT invent mRNA vaccines. He was simply one of many who had a hand in their development. He sounds rather sour-grapes-ish about things.
I cannot fathom the general stupidity about masks...
Yes we must keep one in risky environment...
No forced mandates about masks EVERYWHERE are not a solution here...like MASS vaxx...
Education,rational action, free consent of a population are the hallmark of democracies...
We cannot imitate china and beat it in dictatorship... They are stronger than us in this field...But are they ? Who is behind mass forced insane vaccinations here?
"including the inventor of mRNA?" Good lord man, do you *really* think mRNA was invented by a man??? mRNA was "invented" by evolution (or God if you believe in that...stuff). mRNA codes for proteins, and the vaccine is just mRNA strands that code for a specific spike protein, and has the body’s cells produce it to tirgger the immune response. You can either learn facts, or spout nonsense. Clearly you’ve chosen the latter.
Your reaction resemble a child reaction when he "proudly" spot an error in the discourse of a grown up...
Do you really think that a simple evident OMISSION error writing in a post justify your insulting post instead of a polite correction ?
Look in a mirror and analyse yourself your own reaction... Call that a free medical advice by me...
You agree that you should get advice from medical experts yet cite a purely partisan political source. The study referenced by your Federalist citation was retracted. Shocker, I know.
"including the inventor of mRNA?" Good lord man, do you *really* think mRNA was invented by a man??? mRNA was "invented" by evolution (or God if you believe in that...stuff). mRNA codes for proteins, and the vaccine is just mRNA strands that code for a specific spike protein, and has the body's cells produce it to tirgger the immune response. You can either learn facts, or spout nonsense. Clearly you've chosen the latter.
There we go...as predicted, someone finally trotted out the label of "anti-Vaxxers " to sledgehammer their grade school ideology.
Until people start realizing that there are many many "pro-vaxxers" (for lack of a better schoolyard term) that have issues with the handling and politicization of this virus there can be no useful discourse.
Nice touch with the Invermectin comment though. Subtle as an oil spill. Let me guess, you don’t like 45? 🤣
Funny how you neglected to comment on any of the substance.
Speaking of "credibility".
One example how i may adress some point in your politically motivated content posting:
Do you know what Kary Mullis, nobel prize winner who invent the PCR technology think of Fauci? Fauci is after Bill Gates the most powerful man in health with a multi billions dollars budget who control all research and publications on the states and even in the world for the sake of corporations... Your post prove that you dont have a clue about Fauci...Mullis think he is TOTALLY incompetent...
Ask the nobel winner Montagnier what he think about Fauci? He will say the same than Mullis...
There exist even books about Fauci debacle in AIDS and in this crisis....But is 2 Nobel winners opinion about someone they perfectly know not a BIG RED LIGHT SIGNAL?
Do you think that 2 nobel prize winners so different in characters are deluded about a man they PERFECTLY know contrary to you?
Study and quit politics ....It is my advice to you....
You post is only insecure political ranting ...Nothing to do with medecine even if you are a doctor...
I'm also in public health, currently working on three Covid fatalities. All unvaccinated, all middle aged, all healthy. One gal went straight from headache to the morgue in eight days. A new time record as far as my Covid fatalities (in total).
Tony Fauci was an unknown career public health official who has dedicated his entire LIFE and CAREER to helping others stay healthy. Until of course he dared to point out trump's ignorance (a shot of Lysol, anyone!?!?!?). It's truly laughable watching the haters pile on based on a SINGLE "noble lie". Many of these people whistle straight past trump's BIG LIES (the Covid ones - plural): "it's just the flu", "it'll magically go away", "everyone will get it", "children can't get it", "natural herd immunity is the way to go!", etc. Not only do they whistle past all of THAT, but they continue ignoring (or outright denying) it while demonizing the career experts. They hang their entire "FIRE FAUCI!" case on an instance where he tried to do right (compared to their cult leader, who continued exposing others to his Covid, putting their very lives at risk). Fauci explained himself - the other side just came up with more spoon-fed, Rusian/Chinese Covid misinformation. Take my healthcare cues from some bowtie-wearing trustfund punk who rails against vaccine mandates but doesn't have the courage of his convictions to reveal his own vaccination status? Why? Because of the money? And the perverse pleasure he obviously gets in thoroughly insulting the intelligence of his mind-numb robots on a nightly basis? Hey! I'm just asking the question! LMFAO
By all means..............live "free" (and/or die).
As far as masks not being effective at helping spread infections? I'm sure the millions of surgeons across the world who have been masked up in their operating theaters for that last 150 years will find that proposition highly amusing. I was recently deposed by a party who was on the wrong side of this argument. Hapless attorney-man was almost giddy when he presented me with some Indian study that allegedly showed the ineffectiveness of masks on viruses. He quickly zipped down to page 18 of the scientific paper to start pointing out fabric pore size, virus size, etc. Imagine his dismay when I directed him back up to the first sentence of the "Background" on page one that I quickly caught when he put the document up on the screen. The sentence that read "Masks are an effective component at helping reduce the spread of infectious diseases." The look on his face when I read that simple statement was absolutely..................priceless. LOL
Can't ever top you, nonoise ... won't even try...you are the smartest guy in the room. Please continue to save us from ourselves...for we know not what we do.
Is it me or did you just pull back the curtain and reveal yourself to be nothing more than a troll? That's a load off my mind. 👍
Artemis_5 ... thanks. I think the answer to most of your questions... Is CONTROL. They love the control. I suspect many of them behind our noveau fascism were noseplug kids who felt powerless when they were young.
Massive vaccination mandates are pure political hubris delirium... They have nothing nothing to do with the epidemiology complex rules control steps in the past with a coronavirus which mutate swiftly ...
This virus is NOT a flu but act like one...We must act like with a flu: using PROVEN easy cheap drugs for most whom are healthy or young, not putting the safe drugs out of reach for all and for the FREE doctor who want to use them, and we must act with a vaccination of all health compromised people older one only in priority...Isolating those with symptoms NOT the complete population is sane method in the past... And we must use mask in close long encounter or in heavy populated places... Is it not simple?
Forced mandates are not medecine....At all....Mandates to vaccinates children, or woman with baby in their womb with a mRNa vaccine is insane....
Reason and fear are not friends...
i am flabbergasted by the level of delirium in medecine fields where money interest is all over the place... A doctor is NOT a scientist AT ALL , even if scientifically educated for sure, it is a FREE educated man who pledge to God to help you, BEFORE any money profit for his institution or even against all profit imposed measures by anyone...
Medecine is an ART not a science. those who say the opposite are not free man but robot serving a master which is not our health at all but CONTROL...In medecine art, human interaction and TRUST between doctor and patient are half of the treatment and not always the less potent one but the MOST socially important one for sure...
Why do you think the medecine community in RICH countries is polarized world wide in half?
One half against a mass vaccination the other half promoting it...
Think about what is the greatest change in medecine for the last 50 years : the growing power of pharmaceutical industries to put all doctors in their schakles...
+1 nonoise and others. Opinions, sure, pick one. Facts, however, are stubborn things which don't change just because you refuse to accept them. Refusal, as COVID has been proving for nearly two years, can be fatal. Many people are willing to die, have died, are dying, for their counterfactual beliefs. Docs and nurses all have stories of people diagnosed with terminal COVID whose last words were "it can't be COVID, COVID is a hoax." So I guess their dying is ok, seeing that they have nobody but themselves to blame.
And we're told that CDC, staffed by certified experts with decades of experience in the field of immunology, isn't credible? OK, then please tell us who IS credible, and on what foundation their expertise rests. And please notice that even the most highly trained humans, like all human artifacts such as vaccines and loudspeakers, are still fallible, never 100% perfect every day, in every way. Deniers are saying "if it's not perfect, then it's a worthless fraud." Yeah,maybe in their Manichean fantasy universe. Out here in the real world, things are a bit less tidy, but much more sane.
Artemis_5 ... thanks. I think the answer to most of your questions... Is CONTROL. They love the control. I suspect many of them behind our noveau fascism were noseplug kids who felt slighted and powerless when they were young.
This type of person is wired differently.... they think they are smarter than the rest of us...remain blindly committed to good intentions in spite of overwhelming outcomes to the contrary...they love the idea of people but can’t seem to get along too well with real ones...and most damaging in my opinion, their end ALWAYS justifies their means.
Umm...no. Think for a minute. The ability to post images, GIFs, and videos hasn’t been available here until the recent update. I’ve been a fan of GIFs since, forever.
Like a pen or paintbrush, the animated cell is mightier than the sword and worth a thousand words.
All the best,
Nonoise
No, a word well chosen or a concept could be mightier than a sword or an image in a mature discussion perhaps not in a schoolyard for sure...
Sorry...
A emoticon or an image is just something to underline a point in a discussion at best...
Save if we mix hypnosis,mantra repetition, surprize gesture, destabilization of an interlocutor etc with the like of a gesture instead of an intellectual move...
Perhaps they are children moves, but not Socrates moves for sure...Strawman argument must not exist and had no real power save for a few seconds in sound discussion....
Emoticon and images must be used sparsely for HUMOR only ...
My humble opinion...
Images used like a point in a discussion hide the essence which is in the brain or the heart not in the gut feeling reaction pushing toward a selected image for answering a point argument....
I prefer drawings and schemas....Cartoon images repeated especially, save very good one, are annoying...
Sorry to speak my mind but....i dont want to swim with a bunch of children throwing cartoons instead of brainwork...
Well, we have an estimated 5 million dead presently with the virus surging in Canada, the US, western Europe, Russia, eastern Europe, etc, with the potential for new more transmissable and virulent variants that could bring the numbers much higher yet. This thing is anything but contained. Be careful when you consider eschewing the jab, it could come back to bite not just you but eveyone you come in contact with including your immediate family.
A news item on CBC the other day identified a 40 year old physician who was quite well known and apparently quite popular in his community and by appearance at least, quite healthy. He had decided against vaccination for himself and he recently contracted the virus, was hospitalized, put into an induced coma, intubated and died.
Can't ever top you, nonoise ... won't even try...you are the smartest guy in the room. Please continue to save us from ourselves...for we know not what we do.
Umm...no. Think for a minute. The ability to post images, GIFs, and videos hasn’t been available here until the recent update. I’ve been a fan of GIFs since, forever.
Like a pen or paintbrush, the animated cell is mightier than the sword and worth a thousand words.
Quote from Adams...Surgeon General: "Last year Tony Fauci and I famously, prematurely, & wrongly advised against masks," "I felt it was the best call at the time, but now regret it."
Keep saying this did not happen...or they are just right wing distortions...this only leads to more mistrust.
Continuing to bleat "ALTERNATIVE FACTS" doesn’t change that.
P.S. I don’t like people injecting non audio comments into threads...but this is a COVID thread which the moderator has, so far, decided to keep. I can only suffer so much arrogance and BS until I speak up.
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