@lloydc
I spotted your first point, and then I noticed that you had promptly posted again.
Because, I was going to say there are several sites, and supply houses that make it available.
You must realize that your $69.75 purchase for 100 ml. is more than several lifetimes worth of supply. If you are impressed and pleased with the outcome of the formulation. With your purchase you may consider starting your own distribution. 100 ml will go a long way. You can get back to me and I can suggest "concentrated versions" that you can package and resell that conforms to all regulations with regard to flammability, types of containers, etc. Yes, I known that all as well. remember M.B.A. and owning our own business. This is different, it does not concern me, we dealt in truckloads, and tankers.
Considering what is being sold, and how bad, even destructive, many of the available products are, and the ridiculous prices that are charged for solutions that do not work or work badly, you may have a viable business. I suggested in my original, my only condition is that your pricing be fair and reasonable. For something such as this a 60% margin I would consider fair. And that would almost amount to almost nothing compared to what is out there.
Keep me informed. If you have difficulty getting the Tergitol 15-S-7, I can assist as well, but, only if necessary.
Good Luck!
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"@boothroyd
Your post 17 June 2023 at 3:31 PM
I have stated, and stated frequently. I DO NOT CARE what anyone does or uses. This forum is not intended as a debate. If you wish to debate find another forum, or, start one of you own.
And I ask everyone, if you have opinions, to voice their opinions elsewhere.
I am here to answer questions about the formulation presented, and anything that it may relate to as well, and if anyone has any other interests that I am qualified to answer. "
Amazing......
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@boothroyd
Your post 17 June 2023 at 3:31 PM
I have stated, and stated frequently. I DO NOT CARE what anyone does or uses. This forum is not intended as a debate. If you wish to debate find another forum, or, start one of you own.
And I ask everyone, if you have opinions, to voice their opinions elsewhere.
I am here to answer questions about the formulation presented, and anything that it may relate to as well, and if anyone has any other interests that I am qualified to answer.
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@dogberry
Your post 17 June 2023 at 2:48 PM
I believe this was very well explained and presented. I suggest you re-read my response. As you are reading the response think of the following.
You are going to a gasoline station purchase Gasoline for you vehicle. You usually have a choice of three types based on their octane ratings. When you purchased your vehicle the manufacturer stated the octane rated gasoline you are to use.
That is based on DESIGN of your engine and the ratios of your transmission and differential. Many items are taken into consideration, but, you buy and use the same gasoline whether you drive fast or slow, whether you drive only within the city or primarily on the highway, whether there are one, two or 5 passengers, whether you drive 6,000 miles per year, or if you drive 80,000 miles per year. Non of this matters, you still need to buy and use the same gasoline by design.
I hope that helped, if not, I can do no more to help you understand design and functionality. Again, perhaps others can help you, but, always remember you are concerned with the substrate. You do not use gasoline to wash your windows.
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@cleeds
Regarding your post 17 June 2023 at 1:45 PM
It is NOT an opinion, if it is 100% Factual.
With regard to your second point, that was already clearly answered. And, I do not choose to repeat myself. If you did not understand my response to you, I am very sorry, I can not help you any further. Perhaps others may have a way of explaining my answer to you in another way that you can better understand the response. Best wishes.
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Maybe I was wrong, just ordered Tergitol S 7 from Advance Scientific. $69.75 incl shipping for 100 ml. We’ll see ic I get it.
I was impressed by @wizzzard’s apparent knowledge and sincerity. Although, many people question the use of alcohol in vinyl cleaning solutions.
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@bdp24 @lewm @whart @pindac @cleeds
CC: @mijostyn
On 10 June 2023 at 12:04 AM, someone posted that ( and, I paraphrase ) "he will no longer waste any more time with me ( Wizzzard ) and suggested that I do the same".
On 10 June 2023 at 9:25 AM, the very same day and within just 9 hours and 21 minutes, I responded to that individual who had made the initial post. My response ( again, I paraphrase ) "thanking him for asking me not to waste any more time communicating with him". And my response to him was very "short and sweet", and, I had hoped , very clear as well. And, that response was, and I now Quote, " I won’t ".
For those that may have noticed, I kept my promise, and, I never addressed him again. Unfortunately, my forum site continues to be"contaminated" with his additional postings, violating his own self-imposed commitment. Whatever compelled him to continue to post is still in force, and continues to compel him to submit additional post to this very day. And this compulsion is significant. He continued to post an additional 1,462 words.
On 11 June 2023 at 10:26 AM, this individual bid his "farewell to all", as it was now likely to be his last post ( yet again ), on this forum. He bid his Farewell again, and in closing "that all take care and stay well".
Nevertheless, the same forces and powers that had overtaken his previously, had obviously returned, and forced him to contribute an additional three posts compromised of an additional 318 words, and even posting an unrequested chart, and additional links to other unrelated materials.
I do wish that he overcomes the forces that compel him to continue to post and abide by his own initial statement at the onset that - "he will no longer waste any more of his time on this site".
To all those reading this, the word number calculation was done by an Adobe program, and was calculated by the computer and not by me personally. Although the number of words corresponds well to what was stated. I can only apologize for any minor discrepancies because I have no intention to waste any time to review and correlate the info.
I ask this individual to please adapt to his own statements and commitments.
To all others, I apologize, though I have no control of what is, and, what is not posted. But, I obviously must have struck a nerve in this individual that he has lost all self-control, and, for that, I must take some responsibility, even if it is superficial and insignificant.
I thank you all for your understanding. Thank you again!
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A very special Thank you to Dan H. For his kind and gracious words and encouragement. And, I hope, in one of my typical digressions, I did not upset him in any way most recently.
Thank you Dan H.!
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@dogberry
Yeah!, Yeah!, Yeah!
My intention were to lay some matters to rest and to avoid any more entries as your present one. This intent was to eliminate these matters, because they do not belong here. Dogberry, do not be offended, but, I was not even thinking about you or your post when I presented my case to put an end to these posts. Yes, I read your post, but my objective was to address @whart who was the person who initiated these deviations at the onset. And, then to his Cheerleaders who were trying to compete with the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders, who are also officially nicknamed "America's Sweethearts", and to chime in with their comments.
I wanted to get my message across to Whart and his Cheerleaders, that their remarks are unrelated to the Primary Subject Matter for which this site was created. And, then you proceed to continue on with this unrelated matter yet again, and, incorrectly I must add, rather then agreeing that this nonsense need to end in order that people that may have real serious questions are not reluctant to post their questions. I have put off, and, I feel very sorry that I have, @mijostyn in order that I may clear up this unwarranted clutter.
Would you please agree with me to stop such posts - Please?
However, I also find it necessary to correct your post in order that others may get the impression that you are correct. Recall the words of my original post about facts and truths. I can not allow errors to continue.
I have forsaken 506 years of an established loyalty to make myself perfectly clear. But, as someone has previously stated, I am "only someone behind a forum handle who has no meaning or significance".
You attempted to correct me. I suggest to avoid doing that in any future posts, it would only be futile. You had stated "by the way, the "Ch. is not latin, but French "chirurgerie"". Seriously! I ask you Seriously!? Colleges established in ENGLAND in 1249, and in 1264, and in 1517, and so on to even 1929. French! Do you have no comprehension the relationships between England and France over the Centuries. Have you forgotten all your History lessons.
Baccalaureus in Medicina et in Chirurgia. Does not sound French to me.
Chirurgiae Baccalaureus. Does not sound French to me either.
Ch=Chirurgie, which is latin for surgery! Get it! - Latin, not French!
Every time I sit down to eat, sometimes even at a McDonald's, I can not help but hear the following in my head: "Nos miseri et egentes homines pro hoc cibo, quem in alimonium corporis nostri sanctificatum es largitus, ut eo recte utamur, Tibi, Deus omnipotens, Pater caelestis, reverenter gratias agimus; simul obsecrantes, ut cibum angelorum, panem verum caelestem, Dei Verbum aeternum, Iesum Christum Dominum nostrum, nobis impertiaris, ut Eo mens nostra pascatur". It is embedded deep in my memories. Also, at times when I begin to write something, it crosses my mind that I must write "Dominos Regit Me" before I even begin to write the date.
Oh! I should have mentioned that those words that I had written are in Latin not French.
I still can not get over your remark that the Ch. is French. It will take some time to clear that one out of my head, but I guess I should take this as an opportunity to remind others, not to submit something in writing on this post unless you are absolutely certain of what you are saying.
I will you again to agree with me to stop such posts?
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OP,
Tergitol -s-7 is apparently only legally sold to research labs and industrial (non-medical) facilities, in the US. So we “consumers” can’t readily get it, if at all.
Is Ilford an acceptable substitute?
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FWIW - My vote for “TheVeryBestRecordCleaningFluid”
For any vacuum based machine:
https://groovyhi-fi.com/shop/tm-8-super-record-cleaning-solution/
Applied using a spray bottle (fluid reservoirs are exceptional at growing mold and other contaminates)
Disc Dr. brushes & vacuum tube strips
Bleached white paper sleeves - excellent desiccant for absorption of moisture.
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... the point is that unadulterated water is not wet enough to get into the grooves. The surface tension of water by itself is too high ... Can ultrasonic cleaning obviate the need for lowering the surface tension of water?
I think the answer to your question is very much "yes." Klaudio recommends nothing but distilled water in its machines and that has worked very well for me - it's a one-button, no muss, no fuss approach to record cleaning. I do occasionally acquire a used LP that appears especially foul and when that happens, I start with my OG Nitty Gritty machine. But that's rare.
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Absolutely right, @lewm, but combined with:
I just can't imagine what kind of contamination you are encountering on these records that requires alcohol for removal.
it is obvious to all that alcohol (of any chain length) isn't much good as a wetting agent. At the end of the day, we have one person's opinion about the percentage of a certain alcohol and a certain wetting agent making the "best" cleaning solution in distilled water.
Almost everyone who cleans their records uses distilled water with a detergent and some alcohol added. That's news to no one. To claim some massive benefit from using ethanol rather than isopropanol, or Tergitol over any other detergent should take some evidence.
My experience says that pure DW in an ultrasonic machine is pretty good, but I go quite a long way beyond that for theoretical benefit even though I'm not sure I can hear the advantage. The OP needs to show why his solution is better than any other, and that is not something we have any hint of as yet. To be fair to him, one would need double blind cleaning and a significant number of listeners (and even then, can we say the disks were all equally dirty?) Plainly, we are in the territory of opinion, and I'm happy to listen to opinions. I just don't take them as gospel.
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Cleeds, the point is that unadulterated water is not wet enough to get into the grooves. The surface tension of water by itself is too high. So some sort of wetting agent is useful to reduce the surface tension of the washing solution, so that it truly can get into the record, grooves, and actually lift whatever grunge you might imagine is lurking there. that isn’t only wizzzard’s idea. That is the philosophy behind all of these record, washing solutions, other than using pure water. Those who believe that a surfactant is advisable would tell you that you really aren’t doing much with pure water, perhaps.
Can ultrasonic cleaning obviate the need for lowering the surface tension of water? Good question. I don’t know.
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That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I stated this post's intention is to avoid opinions.
The title of your thread ("The 'Very Best Record Cleaning Formulation' ") is itself an opinion. For my purposes, I usually prefer simple distilled water in the Klaudio ultrasonic cleaner. Others should know this can be an effective method. It isn't clear why that troubles you.
Your last sentence is absolutely uncalled for. A specific level of Ethanol ...
I just can't imagine what kind of contamination you are encountering on these records that requires alcohol for removal.
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Wizzzard, please read my post again. No physician in the UK is technically a doctor, unless he or she has done an MD. Yet all are called 'doctor' as a courtesy (it refers to their post rather than a qualification). Once a would be surgeon, or obstetrician, has passed his or her FRCS, or FRCOG, they are delighted to revert to 'Mister' or 'Miss' and that is a little bit of inverse snobbery from the days when barber-surgeons were looked down upon by physicians.
Oxford and Cambridge came relatively late to medical training. Students now graduate with a BA as well as bachelor's degrees in medicine and surgery (by the way, the "Ch. is not latin, but French "chirurgerie"). In my day most students did their pre-clinical years in their Oxford college, but came to London for their clinical years, most to UCH, and some to KCH. A few stayed on at The Radcliffe or Addenbrookes, and the proportion who stay there has risen as those hospitals have found their feet. At that time, a London medical qualification was the most highly regarded, and many schools elsewhere tried hard to raise their standards by asking for higher entry standards (eg I got four offers, three As from Bristol, and three Cs from UCH, KCH and Middlesex. I got my three As, but chose to accept the UCL/UCH offer).
Anyway, this has gone tediously off-topic and I agree that you may close this highly policed thread.
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“ two degrees in bebop a phd in swing, he’s a master of rhythm.. a rock n roll king”…. @ghdprentice nailed it….. ego
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To all, again I must apologize. It has not been a great day, my Medical Demons are summoning me again.
Farewell for now, and all please stay safe.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
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@cleeds
Your Post 11 June 2023 1:02 PM.
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I stated this post's intention is to avoid opinions.
Your last sentence is absolutely uncalled for. A specific level of Ethanol has absolutely nothing to do with contamination, or levels of contamination. It is related to design, balance and to obtain the best and most desirable surface tension, and related to the substrate to be cleaned. In this case it is related to the resin portion. of vinyl records which is composed of polyvinyl chloride and polyvinyl alcohol. A vinyl record is normally 75% to 80% polyvinyl chloride, and 20% to 25% polyvinyl alcohol.
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@pindac
Response to your post 11 June 2023 at 4:01 PM.
You used the expression "very experienced". If you had used the expression "very knowledgeable", or, "extremely knowledgeable", than you would be referring to only one individual (so far).
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@lewm
Regarding your remark 11 June 2023 at 6:06 PM
You are absolutely correct. BASF is not known to utilize that secondary alcohol, or if they have something close the moles of Ethylene Oxide are not the same. And, yes companies have particular bases that they adhere to, however, there are always also exceptions.
I intend to phone an old friend who is retired, but, was the V.P of R&D of BASF in Germany at my earliest opportunity and before he goes on vacation. He last phoned me just before Christmas. It is time we caught-up, and I will try and remember to ask him if BASF makes an equivalent to Tergitol 15-S-7.
I will share the info when I have it, and, if I have it.
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@whart
Regarding your post 13 June 2023 at 2:52 AM
AGAIN, more "Technical responses, and expressed in a somewhat definitive manner, from an individual who defined himself as a 'student of intellectual history' before becoming a Lawyer"
Please Note! I have made no Legal remarks, nor, do I ever intend to. I am NOT QUALIFIED to make any Legal statements!
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@mijostyn
Your 12 June 2023 at 7:34 AM post only.
In keeping with many of the posts that have been placed on this forum. I would not be surprised that the "Technical Consensus of Opinion" about your tennis ball when you dropped it would most likely go "Up". I am certain that there is even an "expert" out there that could even prove that.
Your concept of listening to music, rather than spending your lifetime simply washing records for the remainder of your life is the correct position to follow, however, I am confident that many disagree. Other than my involvement in this forum, I prefer to listen to music as well!
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@eryoung2k
Regarding your post 13 June 2023 at 10:52 AM
I made myself familiar with the Tergikleen product ( by the way, the "Terg" in Tergikleen most likely comes from the two Tergitols they have chosen to use. And, yes, I agree in this case, a rinse is necessary. But, I suggest you rinse with my presented formulation and not just distilled water. If you have some concerns, perhaps you should just rinse with a 22.000% Ethanol and 78.000% Distilled water and avoid the Tergitol 15-S-7. You will be more pleased with the results.
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@rich121
Regarding your post 13 June 2023 at 12:26 PM
Oy Vey!
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@dogberry
Your Post 13 June 2023 at 12:07 PM
I totally agree, however, the administrator must monitor the site, and, it is at his / her discretion what is printed and what is not. And, we must all need to conform.
Perhaps, the administrator could be a bit more lenient. I, for one, am satisfied with the monitoring and are adjusting accordingly.
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@jwillox
Regarding your post 13 June 2023 at 8:13
I am glad. Thank you.
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Yes, the site went done a "rabbit hole". It was intended to provide a formulation for the "Very Best Record Cleaner Formulation", and to answer questions about the formulation or any other subject with which I am very knowledgeable and experienced in.
It deviated to discussions about degrees issued at particular universities, and, who is a Doctor and who is not a Doctor.
You probably never thought that I would contribute any answers to those posts. However, I stated I would respond to questions with with I am very knowledgeable and experienced. Therefore, I find myself qualified to end this discussion once and forever.
At the time, I recall 27 Colleges at Oxford of the 44 total that offered Degrees to become Practicing Physicians. It did not matter if you went to Balliol College, or Christ Church College, or Corpus Christi College, or Saint Peter's College, or any of the other Colleges, the Degrees were the same.
So, if you graduated from an Oxford University College with intent to practice Medicine, and, you were male, your signature would be as follows:
Mister Oliver Oxford M.A., B.M., B.Ch. The M.A. stands for Master of Arts (not Master of Anatomy, although much Anatomy is obviously studied). The B.M. stands for Bachelor of Medicine. And the B.Ch. stands for Bachelor of Surgery. (not Bachelor of Chemistry - the Ch. is in reference to the old Latin terminology).
So, there you have it. A person graduating from, let us say, Christ Church College at Oxford, is technically not a Doctor. I chose Christ Church College because it undeniably is the best College for Medicine at Oxford. You will not find disagreement with that statement. No PhD. (Oxford does not award PhD's), No DPhil., no M.D.
Now with regard to Schools for Chemistry, I guess I am suppose to say Corpus Christi College is the very best College. But, I also stated that I would be truthful, so I must admit that Jesus College is the very best College at Oxford for Chemistry. Many people would say that Jesus College at Oxford University is the very best School in the entire World for Chemistry. And you would find no disagreement from me about that statement.
Now with regard to Cambridge University, I believe that here in North America that is normally referred to as Pre K. Do not quote me, I certainly would not want to upset someone who had attended a College at Cambridge University. I understand that you can receive a Toop-Notch Educashun there.
Yes, I made certain that I read my remarks before posting. And, this should end this entire subject matter and we can now move on to audio discussions.
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@thecarpathian
I believe your statement was intended as a compliment. I take it as a compliment. And I appreciate it as a compliment. And, I sincerely thank you!
I am back!
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Well, I did not get very far. The "Medical Demons" are demanding my attention much sooner than expected. I expected at least 2 more hours before they would make their demands upon me.
I guess you all will need to wait, I hope I have time later today.
However, at least, you all are now aware that Wizzzard is alive.
Till Later! Thank you.
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@mijostyn
Please forgive me Mijostyn, but I hope you can wait a litter longer for my response to you. Your questions and your issues have pressed many buttons, and, as I have stated, I have prepared your response some time ago in handwritten format. It is long, it is detailed, and it also relates to many other issues that others also have expressed an interest.
But I feel compelled to address the nefarious forces that have overcome my forum, and sort of clean up some other matters in order that it does not get further out of hand. I hope you understand.
And, I thought that I could do this in some orderly manner, however, that will not be the case unfortunately.
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To all involved parties with sincere interests, I would like to say.
" It's Alive! " I felt the need to express the words spoken in "Young Frankenstein" by Gene Wilder from Mel Brooks' version in 1974. (please do not make any efforts to remind me of earlier versions). I like Mel Brooks.
Yes, Wizzzard is alive, and as well as can be expected, and he is back.
This forum has seemed to "go down a rabbit hole". I hope to bring it back inline. First I will need to apologize to @mijostyn once again and then proceed to get a few matters out of the way.
Again I am here to answer any serious related questions that I am qualified to answer. Unfortunately, I need to remind all that I have limited "windows of opportunity" to respond to any questions, and, I ask for your understanding with regard to this matter.
I also promise to read every post before pressing the post button to make certain that my computer and / or application, and the use of a Dvorak keyboard does not post weird typos.
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OP,
Lead with your ego and the result are inevitable.
Lead with humble helpful thoughts and the results will be totally different.
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Actually, @lewm , in the UK surgical specialists are ’Mister’ in a nod to their barber-surgeon past, but non-surgical physicians are called ’Doctor.’ Now the funny thing is this, they get called doctor only by courtesy, as the three forms of medical qualification there are not doctoral degrees. Most commonly a university awards a bachelor of medicine and a bachelor of surgery degree (M.B.,B.S. in London, M.B.,B.Chir. from Oxford or Cambridge, and M.B.,Ch.B. from anywhere else), or there was the ’Conjoint exam’ from the Royal College of Physicians and Royal College of Surgeons, giving you the qualification LRCP,MRCS, and most anciently and now gone, the qualification from the Society of Apothecaries, LMSSA. Those three are in descending order of worth, the certificates that came with them grew as the degree was easier to achieve!) Having said that, in the UK there is a medical equivalent of a PhD, called an MD, which causes lots of grief for a well-qualified UK physician who turns up here in Canada and discovers everyone has an MD!
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In Europe, the PhD is generally regarded as superior in academic achievement to the training required of clinical physicians. In the UK and maybe in Germany and elsewhere on the continent, clinicians are addressed as “mister”, and only PhD recipients are addressed as “doctor”. In the US, some law schools hand out “doctorates” in jurisprudence after only 3 years and with no thesis requirements. This is all much ado about nothing.
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Bill,
I will gladly call you "Herr Dr Bill" when you achieve that PhD
Best
Mark
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@drkingfish- fair. Just a personal thing for me. I recently finished reading a book on the history of surgery and the differences between the doctors (who were educated and held titles) and the barber/surgeons, who were treated as barbarians. Obviously, a lot has changed in the medical field since then (anesthesia, antiseptics, the ability to control blood loss and a better understanding of the human body). I do applaud people who know things well.
I was meeting with a person today at UT (where I teach part-time) and of course, there are a hell of a lot of Ph.ds among other heavily credentialed individuals running around there. I was spending time with a head of department (I don’t want to get too specific here) and asked him about his background. It turned out he had worked in the field, took the job at UT and worked his way up. He didn’t have any advanced degrees. Truth be told I’m thinking about a Phd myself at this point, so I guess I shouldn’t be so snarky about them. At that point, I will demand that folks address me as Herr Doctor, not to be confused with the Hair Doctor.
All taken in good spirit. Thanks, Mark.
Bill
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I’ve been informed, and amused by the chemistry and psychology in this thread.
tianks to all that have given good information 🤣
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In the past I travelled/commuted with a Very well educated Lady, who had a Cambridge University Education and was at her time as a Student very involved with the Female Rowing Team.
On a commute and in a discussion with another about a medical condition, I invited this Lady to contribute as her Husband was a "Dr".
I was informed the Husband was "Dr" through being a mathematician and not medicine.
As the Journey continued, I probed the mathematics that were being carried out. To which the 'layman' description was given and now my not so accurate a recital of this description, that the area of maths worked with was a Speculative Math that was working with Astronomy.
Further probing revealed the Husband is nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for the discoveries made.
I was the 'Cat that got the Cream' for a few days after that reveal.
I also learnt Professor Brian Cox regularly visits for dinner😎
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Bill
you had a great post until......".I would suggest to Mr. Wizard (unless he insists on being addressed by the honorific "Dr." which I find to be pretentious except when applied to medical doctors), " Why?? "medical doctors" were cutting your hair, lancing boils and chopping off limbs w/out anesthetic a little over a hundred years ago. OH yes, a shave with that? "Dr" Copernicus was studying the galaxy 500 years before that.
You can have any "pretentious finds" you want but the term :doctor" was used 1000s of years before the AMA..
Doctor comes from the Latin word for "teacher" and originally referred to a small group of theologians who had approval from the Church to speak on religious matters. Eventually the term saw greater use referring to qualified academic and medical professionals. While doctor most often refers to a medical doctor, academic doctors can rightfully claim it too. And they have lexical and etymological evidence to back their claim. In the centuries between then and now, doctor has had many other applications, including referencing a soldering tool, a tropical sea breeze, and a loaded die. It's almost exclusively used of people now, and both qualified academics and medical practitioners may rightfully claim it. (taken from a web dic so as to to be accused of plagiarism)
I am a "dr" by any definition you choose to use but it is not pretentious for use by any persons of any discipline that has earned a "Doctorate of ---- degree
I can assure you that no Doctor of 19th century Polish accordion music will answer the call of the flight attendant calling for a "DR" on a flight as a person is grabbing their chest and turning blue.
Best to you
Mark
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Distilled is still cheap enough around here (99 cents a gallon) Works perfectly with my mix!
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As a means to prevent working at height, there is trend in Cleaning to Pole Clean with a Pressure Jet System using Carbon Fibre Poles that can reach up to Five Storeys.
This method is commonly seen carried out using distilled water as it is a streak free drying substance..
Because of this there are plenty of cheap offers to be found for distilled water.
I have always trod carefully and purchased a Lab Grade Water, from recollection I believe conforms to PubChem CID 962, i'm also sure PPM were checked out as well. I genuinely have no idea, how my water conforms when being discussed by the likes of @wizzzard
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... the best I can do with my machines would be to clean and dry on the Loricraft, then clean and dry in the Degritter, then finish with a distilled water rinse and dry in the Loricraft. The only problem with that is that I'd rather listen to music than clean records ...
I feel the same and that's why I like the Klaudio cleaner so much. Just press one button and the machine does the rest.
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@recklesskelly
I enjoy filtered RO/DI water for my cleaning needs AND all the filtered RO drinking water I need on tap, at home... no need to go anywhere... for pennies a gallon.
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There's an awful lot of 'post removed' going on in this thread. I must have missed all the good/bad bits.
It is true that vacuum drying is better than air drying as evaporation is going to leave the suspended dirt on the record. Even so, assuming the dirt on the uncleaned record is suspended in a large volume of solution, and only some of that has to evaporate, there will be far less on the record after the cleaning and drying.
I'm aware that the best I can do with my machines would be to clean and dry on the Loricraft, then clean and dry in the Degritter, then finish with a distilled water rinse and dry in the Loricraft. The only problem with that is that I'd rather listen to music than clean records, and the first two steps without the third is good enough for what is left of my remaining ear.
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@mijostyn
Off for my MRI now. I will continue to answer you, most likely on Wednesday, late in the day. And, address others as well, but you remain my top priority.
Yours truly,
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