jf47t,
So you are telling us you use a different screen name on Tuneland?
Ok.
Can you link to a thread in which you actually participate?
The "angry stalkers" bit is an obvious excuse. Nobody is "showing up at your door." Personally, this thread is the only one I’ve interacted with MG in, despite that he’s started and participated in other Agon threads. And I’ve no interest in interacting with him even in other Agon threads, much less his own forum where he wouldn’t allow people he calls "angry trolls" in the first place. Notice that you specifically keep linking to your Tuneland thread IN the very thread you call filled with angry trolls...but none of those so-called "trolls" are showing up to try and barge in Tuneland threads? We don’t care to. Because...we aren’t in fact angry at all, despite your paranoia. Absolutely nothing in this thread has angered me at all. I can’t imagine what MG or you could actually say that would be worth getting angry about. You mistake skepticism about some of your claims for anger - that’s your own paranoia talking, not reality. I have in fact wished Michael well, and success, more than once in this very thread. In fact, here I go again: I wish Michael nothing but success in his life and business. I'm sure he is a really nice guy to hang around. And some of his products are intriguing - as I've said numerous times, I'd enjoy hearing his tuned speakers in a tuned room. I’m just pointing out some sub-par forum behavior when I see it, and simply asking questions, and pointing out they aren’t being answered. I wouldn’t have had to keep pointing this out, if you/Michael didn’t keep suggesting they have been answered....when they have not. In no way do I have to hate someone, or be "angry" in order to to notice they may be doing great stuff somewhere else...but are behaving problematically in at least one thread.
On the tuneland thread that you relentlessly link to, there are posts by only one other member other than MG. And having encountered that same poster before (who uses the same screen name elsewhere) it’s obviously not you. So why haven’t you participated in the very Tuneland thread you want to keep showing us, and that you are obviously monitoring?
And if you participate in Tuneland...why are you suddenly acting so shy and secretive, when you have continually wanted to promote it for people to check out?
Michael G has no problem linking to his threads there. Grannyring doesn’t seem to have any problem telling us about his post there. And you certainly aren’t shy about people seeing your posts here! What would be the difference in seeing any of your posts in the Tuneland forum you want everyone to visit???? So...how about pointing to anywhere you’ve participated in Tuneland.
After all, you don’t want to leave the impression here that you just poofed into existence in this one lone thread....do you? ;-)
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Not biting prof read the OP. And yes you have not only been asked to calm down by other posters but have also had several of your posts deleted by the mods for being "abusive toward other members". Sorry prof but again this thread gave you the opportunity to be real and you made another choice. |
Of course you aren’t biting.
If you wish to leave the audience speculating as to why not....your choice.
You probably won’t take my advice...but perhaps re-visit this thread some day and consider what you may have done better. My first post...and many afterward, were sincere attempts to simply help you not shoot yourself in the foot. I’m sorry you are so primed to see anyone not immediately embracing everything you say as "trolls" but that only exacerbates the problem.
Again..not angry at all. But I’m certainly puzzled why any manufacturer would behave as you have here. It just seems so unnecessary.
And even though your actions puzzle me, I still very honestly wish you success. I’m happy for any success you have, and for any "Tuner" who enjoys "The Hobby."
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jf47t,
You may want to pass on the last section of that post to MG in case he missed it. It's probably my last post directed to him :)
And btw, my interest in Tuneland doesn’t go beyond being utterly bombarded by links to it in this thread. We kept getting invited; so we looked. I wish the Tuneland forum success, but I don’t have any interest in visiting it again. I’m glad it serves other folks, but I didn’t see anything that would compel me to stick around there. (Though again, if there were an MG tuned room/tuned speaker set up at a show I’d certainly enjoy hearing it. I don’t doubt something interesting may be going on).
I hope MG’s other Agon threads are more successful than this one.
Cheers,
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Geoff
We the dudes here at Star Sound have a woman on staff who has added to our science of materials and shapes as they relate to actual resonance transfer.
She received a Bachelor of Science (BS) in Math and Geology from Portland State University and a Masters of Engineering (ME) in Geophysics from Colorado School of Mines. She is a Registered Professional Engineer (PE) in Colorado and a Registered Geologist (PG) in Wyoming. For over 30 years she interpreted seismic data (mostly compressional waves - acoustic waves if they are in air) as it pertains to exploring for hydrocarbons. She has authored and presented 14 papers on different aspects of interpretation and understanding compressional waves to the Society of Exploration Geophysicists (SEG) International meetings, European Association of Exploration Geophysicists (EAEG) meetings, Australian Association of Exploration Geophysicists (ASEG) meetings, SEG Summer Research Workshop and to SEG chapter meetings. Many of these papers were invited and some were awarded best paper. In addition, she taught a three-day course on seismic interpretation requested by the SEG. She has also worked as a Geotechnical Engineer in the housing industry. She also has a patent on a device that removes interference from string instruments making them more responsive and easier to play. Tom
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I see. Nothing at all to do with audio systems and seismic vibration. Oh, I almost forgot! You dudes don’t think isolation is possible. 😳 |
"Again..not angry at all. But I’m certainly puzzled why any manufacturer would behave as you have here. It just seems so unnecessary." Something got your many posts deleted prof. As well the Starsound posts and the kosst posts. Anyone can scroll through the pages and see this is the case, so don't be "fake". That's reality and documented.
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Your wrong Geoff...her patent is related and direct coupled back to audio..So called isolation devices such as yours actually generate interfering energy. Sorry you have been wrong all these years. Tom |
Something got your many posts deleted prof. Correction: *Someone.* Despite your many accusations of "troll" and "fake" and any number of disparaging insults, neither I nor the others you disparaged were bothered enough to ask a mod to delete any of your insults. Because...we don’t actually have such thin skins and don’t actually get as angry as your paranoia suggests. You want to call me a troll? Fine, I won’t cry to a mod and ask your post be removed. I’ll simply ask you to back that up, and anyone will see that you can’t. No need for anger. Whereas....someone so thin skinned for criticism, who actually *does* get angry enough at criticism that he wants posts pulled, had the mods delete those posts. Wonder who that could be? (And you retreated to your own forum to further mock people here as trolls and other names, continually posting the link as a "ha-ha, look at what is being said about you on our forum!" bait. A class act all the way. But, again, hey...it’s your reputation....). |
theaudiotweak
Your wrong Geoff...her patent is related and direct coupled back to audio..So called isolation devices such as yours actually generate interfering energy. Sorry you have been wrong all these years. Tom
>>>>Oh brother! Here come the word games. Directly coupled. Yuk, yuk! Well, I guess all seismologists can’t be geniuses. Besides, I haven’t been wrong since 1987.
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Wring a ding ..or is it ding wring..still wrong Geoff. |
Got me good there, Tom. I win the important things. I’ll let you win the unimportant ones. I can always tell when you get all fidgety. You respond too quickly. You’re so emotional. 😩 |
@almarg
Your summation is basically all we need.
This most definitely IS an essentially useless thread.
And profs posts are always very well crafted and thought out and essential reading even if I do not personally always agree with the content of said posts. |
Uberwaltz..I agree with you and almarg.
I made a mistake becoming a part of this Seinfeld episode. Tom |
What kind of a thread is it? A thread like all threads that alter and illuminate our times. Revel in your times! his is the only active audio forum you got. Contribute or perish. Please don’t turn this into fuddy-duddyville.
Poor Tom: always trying to get the last word in before scurrying off.
Life is what you make it. - Fresh out of Borstal
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Geoff.
While I appreciate a great debate as much as the next guy(gal), this particular one is sadly lacking for me.
I much prefer the ongoing audio forum taking place in my listening room right now! |
Thanks for the kind words, folks.
Everybody: Welcome to the "faker/talker/troll" club now, I guess ;-)
Too bad MG won’t ever let himself acknowledge I (or others he’s called trolls) may have sincerely said or asked anything reasonable. But he went down the "you’re a faker/troll" route early and hard, and apparently pride won’t let him back out. Ah well....
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jf47t,
When it comes to deleting posts, how come that Michael Green did not request many of yours to be deleted? I mean, those where you defended him or talked about your time together to an extent that was a bit unusual. I have always wondered about that. You did tone it down so there is less need for deletion now, but, man, if I were Michael Green... That was something. Thanks for stopping it. I cannot care less if you call me a dinosaur troll of the first order, but I do get bothered by such insidious insults on other people that you allegedly tried to help.
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prof
Everybody: Welcome to the "faker/talker/troll" club now, I guess ;-)
Too bad MG won’t ever let himself acknowledge I (or others he’s called trolls) may have sincerely said or asked anything reasonable. But he went down the "you’re a faker/troll" route early and hard, and apparently pride won’t let him back out. Ah well....
>>>>I suspect prof and others took MGs words to heart from the get go and responded accordingly. You could say he baited you and you took the bait. In that sense he did an excellent job. Is MG a fish whisperer? 🐟🐠🐟 Is he a fisher of men? 😯
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glupson
jf47t,
Thanks for stopping it. I cannot care less if you call me a dinosaur troll of the first order, but I do get bothered by such insidious insults on other people that you allegedly tried to help.
>>>>Whoa! What? First of all I’m not entirely sure “insidious insults on other people” is good English but what in the wide world of sports are you even talking about? What’s bothering Gilbert Grape? Come on, you can tell us. 😁
Dinosaur troll? Let me think about it and I’ll get back to you. 🙄 |
"First of all I’m not entirely sure “insidious insults on other people” is good English " "First of all, I’m not entirely sure..." I am entirely sure that not placing a comma after "first of all" is not a good English. Or, to quote geoffkait, "when you can’t win the technical arguments you huff and puff and try to win the personal arguments. Bring it on!" |
Michael Green did not bait anyone. He started a thread in an open forum and people who were interested in it responded. He could have started a thread on any topic he desired and anyone could have participated in any way she/he desired. It has been very clear and fair from the start. Of course, someone could argue that this thread was "bait and switch" strategy, but nobody has been forced to continue. Not even Michael Green. |
Uh, oh, it looks like another wave of blah blah blah from one of the primary baitees. 🐟
Pop quiz - Is baitees even a word? 😳
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"Uh, oh, it looks like another wave of blah blah blah from one of the primary baitees." Uh, oh, it looks like another wave of blah blah blah from one of the primary baitees. |
I’m pretty sure you meant from one of the primary baiters. Dare I say master? |
Beauty is in the eye of beholder so being pretty is not that sure. Sometimes, personality gets in the way. |
Something got your many posts deleted prof. As well the Starsound posts and the kosst posts. Anyone can scroll through the pages and see this is the case, so don't be "fake". That's reality and documented. I tTotally disagree with jf47t or whoever you are. Like Prof has disclosed previously:
‘Someone’ and not something had the posts removed. The "reality" of this thread was clearly documented but unfortunately a lot of reality has been deleted. The fakes are actually the individuals removing selective posts that impair their egos and/or challenge the hard-line facts. Example: "abusive toward other members" These complaints must be first filed by a member so two thinned skin someone's are responsible for removing a boat load of posts on this thread. Said individuals should finally stop "laying blame on the moderators" and look in a mirror. Personally, I never liked people that play on both sides of the fence. “The Truths” that were disclosed in the many removed posts were the only spot on factors here and not the participants.
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NOW FOR A DOSE OF REALITY: Jf47t stated: And yes you have not only been asked to calm down by other posters but have also had several of your posts deleted by the mods for being "abusive toward other members". How did you know this? Moderators do not explain or display their actions. SO again - How Did You Know the Exact Reason for Profs’ Posts Being Deleted? How could anyone know that was the reason, unless………….💡!!! GUILTY AS CHARGED Sincerely, Robert |
@geoffkait - again… Uh, most likely he uses a different moniker over there. You know, so guys like yourself and the dudes from Star Sound can’t go stalk him there. Just a hunch. GK, we dudes call the bull as we see it! Sorry in that your hunch is NOT correct. We would never lower ourselves to play the public or question anyone by using a false moniker but we believe Prof is on the right track towards discovering why others here remain in hiding. Our history speaks for itself as there is no need to falsify anything we present as public disclosure. We have no issues taking the personal hits where unlike others, our dudes refuse to file complaints. Say what you will as defending our technology is much easier for us now compared to twenty years ago. >>>>Oh brother! Here come the word games. Directly coupled. Yuk, yuk! Well, I guess all seismologists can’t be geniuses. Besides, I haven’t been wrong since 1987. Wow mistake free since 1987 - Is that the year NASA gave you the shoe? I see. Nothing at all to do with audio systems and seismic vibration. Oh, I almost forgot! You dudes don’t think isolation is possible.
Isolation is not possible in real world applications - you know Geoff, the real world as in modern day planet Earth… Isolation is a technique, one of many techniques applied to audio however we live on the planet so everything having or requiring power and function has a grounding mechanism - a footer, a rack, a support system, a tire, a physical structure - something that eventually comes in contact with Mother Earth - even LIGO! We find greater sonic results via mechanical grounding as the key mechanism in comparison to floatation techniques.
High speed resonance energy transfer processes are being applied to audio reproduction where vibrations being the energy containing all the harmonic layers and dynamics listeners seek to hear and feel is used as a tool to further enhance musical qualities. Musical instruments along with our ears take full advantage of vibration so how does one bring this understanding to the mechanical, electromechanical and acoustic levels of function? Our technology is based on allowing a component or speaker to first vibrate as the device will seek and establish its own level of operational efficiency where the highest level of performance is established. We then mechanically ground or open the flood gates so the resonance that is formed from vibration travels rapidly to earth’s ground. This process results in highly audible increases in full range sonic performance. Vibration is sound. Resonance formed from many vibrations is the negative result (a signal clog) therefore we manage resonance formed from vibration. This technology works on all sound and video production equipment, adapts to structural environments and is being used for enhancing musical instrument function as well. Isolation cannot achieve this new standard of multiple applications. That is why we no longer prioritize the inaudible tangibles such as ongoing mini-earthquakes and 1Hz frequencies when discussing sound and physical environments. In our realm of study and progress, those age old theories and stories are now retired to historical content. Star Sound
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Or, maybe some members don't like being stalked by angry axe to grind type of folks. |
Ah, the pupil uses the teacher’s thread to rant and rave and promote his rather backward ideas at every opportunity. Ooops, I hope I’m not a baiter. 😳
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"...and the dudes from Star Sound can’t go stalk him there." Would it be considered stalking when a person gets an invitation to the place where that stalking would occur? |
geoffkait, "Besides, I haven’t been wrong since 1987."
The calender has been reset to 2018. You have stated that I must be Scandinavian. I am not, as we have discussed at that time. I hope this adjustment will, over time, help you gain some much-needed credibility. |
glupson
geoffkait,
"Besides, I haven’t been wrong since 1987."
The calender has been reset to 2018. You have stated that I must be Scandinavian. I am not, as we have discussed at that time.
I hope this adjustment will, over time, help you gain some much-needed credibility.
>>>>I’m sure you misunderstood me. What I might have said was you must be from Fin Land. You know, where all the little fishies live. 🐟 🐟 🐟
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glupson
geoffkait:
"...and the dudes from Star Sound can’t go stalk him there."
Would it be considered stalking when a person gets an invitation to the place where that stalking would occur?
>>>>No. Unless the dudes from Star Sound got a good old fashioned bitch slapping by the welcoming committee.
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So "dudes from Star Sound" could not go to stalk him there even if they wanted to. Unless the welcoming committee at Tuneland started slapping them. Which would seem to be far from welcoming and almost impossible on an Internet forum.
The logic on this thread is getting more and more bizarre. People accuse each other of "trolling" while, with their words/actions, following the description of the "troll" they gave to the last letter. People being worried about being stalked while inviting those who they are worried would be stalking them to visit. People picking on other’s language imperfections while making mistakes in that same sentence. And that is just over the last twenty-four hours or so.
EDIT: Well, the post that I used as a reference for deciding what would be considered stalking has disappeared while I was writing this post.
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Why would the dudes from Star Sound go to Tuneland to stalk MG since they’re doing an excellent job stalking him right here, you know, where their ranting and raving and self promotion has a much wider audience? You catch more fish in a big pool. In space no one can hear you scream.
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"Why would the dudes from Star Sound go to Tuneland to stalk MG since they’re doing an excellent job stalking him right here..." That is what is confusing. If I understood it right, the stalking thought was about Star Sound people going to Tuneland. That ranting and raving and self-promotion (hyphen was missing in the post I am referring to which, I am certain, was not good English) is being attempted by more than Star Sound dudes. If anyone, Michael Green was the first one who started advertising his website on this thread. He even signed every post with the link to his website. It is really not that important, but just to remain fair. |
This thread has never been useful for audio topics, but there are things to learn, if one puts in some effort.
I just read about fish and hearing so I could try to understand screaming in the pool and its effect on fish. This is what is valuable here.
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OMG
At least Happy Days had the good manners and sense to fold once Fonz "jumped the shark".
There has been nothing of substance besides post count inflation for at least the last 10 pages!
Just my thoughts...…..
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I said this thread would be fun but I didn’t say for who. I had no idea it would turn into a whiners convention. If you don’t like the way something is going or whatever the best courses of action are to (1) avoid it if it makes you angry or you find yourself making dog-like noises or (2) contribute something of substance or try making a joke sometime. Geez! Ask not what your forum can do for you. Ask what you can do for your forum. Hijack the thread. Do something! Entertain me!
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Very shortly this will approach the TaraLabs cable thread as the biggest space waster in the forums. |
Ooops, another whiner. Welcome to the pity party. 😩
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glupson
geoffkait:
"Why would the dudes from Star Sound go to Tuneland to stalk MG since they’re doing an excellent job stalking him right here..."
That is what is confusing. If I understood it right, the stalking thought was about Star Sound people going to Tuneland. That ranting and raving and self-promotion (hyphen was missing in the post I am referring to which, I am certain, was not good English) is being attempted by more than Star Sound dudes. If anyone, Michael Green was the first one who started advertising his website on this thread. He even signed every post with the link to his website. It is really not that important, but just to remain fair.
>>>>MG advertised his web site here that’s true, but he probably doesn’t want his former employee and his little buddy coming over and rocking the boat. I’m rarely wrong in these matters. He wants newbies like yourself, someone more like a clean slate. Just my opinion. |
Katie....
Unfortunately I really do not have anything useful to contribute to this thread.
But that would put me in good company from what I see.....
Jokes?
Thought that was your speciality? |
Not whining Kittie, just making an observation.
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wcfeil
Very shortly this will approach the TaraLabs cable thread as the biggest space waster in the forums.
>>>>>Oh, yeah, that’s not complaining. That’s an observation. What was I thinking? 🙄 |
"Very shortly this will approach the TaraLabs cable thread as the biggest space waster in the forums." It is neither complaining, nor an observation. It is an educated prophecy. From what it seems, wcfeil may not be more correct. |
uberwaltz, "Unfortunately I really do not have anything useful to contribute to this thread. But that would put me in good company from what I see....." The company is, in fact, not that good, but nobody here has contributed anything meaningful in a while, if ever. It is like a neighborhood bar. In case you have some free time and walk in, there is always someone there to argue about whatever the topic of the moment may be. At the end of the evening, you go home and forget about where you were and what you talked about. to geoffkait:
Jokes?
Thought that was your speciality? You must be joking. |
Glupson
You must frequent nicer bars than I do...lol
Nobody in my dive bars would even raise a glass to anything here.
And yes I was joking...…...
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