Charles ...
Knowing your taste in music, you're going to love that CD. I have in on vinyl, but I have others by O'Dette on CDs.
After reading David's post re: lute music, I got out a few lute CDs for my listening session last night. All of the ones I have are on the Harmoni Mundi label. What terrific recordings! In the room!
PNW ... Oh, okay I get it. Yep, I lived/worked in Oregon in 1999-2000. I acquired the handle "oregonpapa" while working there ... and communicating with my daughters via Email. Oregon is a very beautiful place; water everywhere ... including a lot falling from the sky. A LOT falling from the sky. I made the discovery while there as to why the Oregonians named the capital of the state "Salem." Its because people don't drive cars there .... they salem. :-)
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Correction,
Paul O'Dette. |
Frank,
I ordered your Paulo Dette suggestion and the Nigel North recommended by David. I look forward to listening to both of these performances.
Charles, |
Karma police wrote,
"I decided to switch the direction on the black fuse on the dartzeel amp after all because lack of bass weight was bothering me.
The improvement was immediate with the bass weight slam back and the soundstage easily improved from the red fuse.
it goes to show that experimentation is always necessary and trust your ears ......"
So, what about the S and R direction on the Black Fuse? Can we forget about that? Is that no longer valid, reliable, whatever?
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Oregon papa doesn't know where PNW is? Come on! ;-)
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Pacific North West papa...
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Oh geeze ... now I'll spend the rest of the night wondering what a PNW is. :>) |
I've been quietly enjoying this thread for a few days now - thanks all for taking the time to post your impressions. It's refreshing to see a spirited discussion not devolve into sophomoric insults or innuendos about systems as a means to rationalize why some don't hear benefit.
I for was was a fuse skeptic until trying my first audiophile fuse couple of years ago - didn't take long to become a convert. In fact, I just finished off my system with hifi tuning fuses in my crossover and in the PSU for my DAC (they were the last to get upgraded... caught the sale and figured why not). I wasn't expecting much, but was pleasantly surprised. I'll save the SR black fuses for another day...
OregonPapa - I assume you're also in the PNW? |
I've come to the realization that the most rewarding aspect to this site is the new friends that one makes ... and especially those who are in it for the love of music. |
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Just ordered a black fuse for my preamp I will find out if all the talk and hype about it is justified and let you guys know.
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David,
You have me curious, I'm going to get one of your suggested Lute recordings.I have little exposure to that instrument and want to hear it.
Karmapolice,
In my friend's (Jwm) system, fuse direction is profoundly evident.
Jond,
Let us know how the Black fuse works out in your preamplifier, I always appreciate your listening impressions and opinions.
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Oregonpapa:
I empathize with your "Other Forum frustration". I hope you will tell us the name. No need to spend time at closed minded and uncivilized sites.
Lute music: I have a lot of Lute CD's.
Nigel North- music of Robert Johnson "The Prince's Almain"
Shirley Rumsey- Music of the Italian Renaissance
Both on Naxos.
Rumsey's singing with the delicate lute or the renaissance guitar,when played on a Synergistic Research Black fuse based system is simply breathtaking.
David Pritchard
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karmapolice:
I am glad you took the effort to change the fuse direction. When the Synergistic Research fuse is not in the optimum direction there is that "sense" of something not being right, for me not being in focus.
I really think to get a emotionally satisfying system it takes a lot of work and not just a big blank checkbook!
George:
I hope you will try a Synergistic Research Black fuse in your system. But you will have to figure out the fuse orientation on your own since you are upside down to us living in the Northern Hemisphere.
Since you are down under- have you tried the Black Discus products from New Zealand. Interesting stuff. They also have a 30 day trial on their products. But no fuses.
David Pritchard
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karmapolice94 posts03-21-2016 11:36amI decided to switch the direction on the black fuse on the dartzeel amp after all because lack of bass weight was bothering me.
The improvement was immediate with the bass weight slam back and the soundstage easily improved from the red fuse.
it goes to show that experimentation is always necessary and trust your ears ......
Direction change on an AC fuse for different sound??? http://audiofast.com/prods/recenzje/6moons/6moons200507_NHB-108/max_21.jpg
Cheers George
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I decided to switch the direction on the black fuse on the dartzeel amp after all because lack of bass weight was bothering me.
The improvement was immediate with the bass weight slam back and the soundstage easily improved from the red fuse.
it goes to show that experimentation is always necessary and trust your ears ...... |
Karmapolice:
I have done the RED versus Black fuse orientation in the SACD player-seven fuses and the amp - one fuse. I found the Blackorientation to be the same as the Red. Those fuses were easy for me to get to and so I did the experiment for myself and other fuse users. Of course there could be exceptions. Some of the previous posts have given detailed sonic descriptions of a backward fuse. It is an out of phase- focus sound.
jond:
I look forward to your sonic impressions of a new fuse. You have already taken a step many audiophiles have never done- you removed a fuse! You also now know how to read the fuse identification information. You are thinking for yourself. What a great experiment awaits you. You can try an audio product for 30 days and if not happy return it easily for your money back.
I congratulate all readers who have tried the Synergistic Research Red or Black fuses for taking a liberating step forward. I also congratulate all who auditioned the fuses but for whatever reason sent them back. Returning products that do not meet expectations is also liberating!
Enjoy the music.
Enjoy the challenge of improving your music system.
David Pritchard |
Aha Al that makes perfect sense as I could make out the 250 and was just guessing ma but volt makes sense so that must be it and yes it is indeed a straight thin piece of wire. Thanks!
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Hi Jon,
It’s most probably a 6.3 amp 250 volt ("250v" rather than "250ma") fast blow fuse, in the common 5 x 20 mm size (the smaller of the two physical sizes SR offers, the other being 6.3 x 32 mm). If the internal filament is a straight piece of wire, rather than a spiral coil or a flat conductor having substantial width, that would provide added confidence in my assumption.
Good luck. Regards,
-- Al
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@charles1dad I certainly can contact them in the meantime took another look and its F6.3A on one side and 250ma on the other. Guessing the F is for fast blow but the numbers are what's confusing me as 6.3A and 250ma are totally different values are they not? I may be misreading the 250ma part the engraving is incredibly hard to make out its a .75 inch fuse. Thanks.
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Hi Jond,
6.3 amps is a very large value for a preamplifier (must have a huge power supply ). My gut feeling would be slo blo. Are you able to get in touch with the manufacturer to answer your question?
Charles, |
Was reading about fuses and pulled out the fuse in my preamp but it was very hard to read, it definitely said 6.3A on one side the other side was much harder to make out but pretty sure it said 250ma. Do these numbers together make sense? Also how can I tell if the fuse is fast or slow blow? Sorry for the neophyte questions just never really looked at fuses before. Thanks!
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Has anyone changed direction of fuse after going from red to black fuse....would seems that if one direction is better for red fuse that same direction would be better for black fuse.....
my amp is hard to switch fuses so would rather not switch several times
so far the amp when the black fuse is in same direction as red fuse seems to have better separation and air and soundstage but a little less wamth little less weight in bass weight....
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I was on another audiophile site last night and mentioned that I was getting good results now that my new SR power cords have broken in. As a result, I was subjected to ridicule with the members saying that I bought into snake oil and that there is no difference in cables. I asked the main culprit to list his equipment. He has his speakers up against the wall and driving everything with a Pioneer receiver. Mid-Fi at best. He said that he had visited this SR fuse thread and thought it was all BS too. I asked him if he had come to that assessment after trying the fuses in his system. As yet, he hasn't answered. "Crickets."
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One can't help wondering why more audiophiles lack curiosity. This is quite worrisome. Curiosity killed the cat. Satisfaction brought hum back. Curiosity is the backbone of scientific reason.
Geoff Kait
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Thank you to for the encouragement for my brother. I posted his condition to gently remind myself and readers that the mortality clock is always ticking.
Try a fuse - no risk involved- if you like the effect your musical enjoyment just increased. If you did not hear a change it was a (at least to me) a fun experiment to perform at no or little expense.There are more important things to ponder than why a fuse construction would make a sonic change.
David Pritchard |
brownsfan, I changed my mind and ordered a SR Black 1.6A. Don't want to push my luck so will be using both SR Blacks 3.15A in the HAPZ1. |
Gentlemen/gentlemen, Mitch2 Has it> right on THE RED thins, it brighten everything.. Think about it a little piece of 20ga wire +/- amps required inside a fuse capsule right out of the box! REMEMBER >> these are tuning fuses that's what they are. If any of hunderd's of hunderd's audio gear Mfg could insert a Fuse that would make revelations in audio improvements they would. There in a very competitive market place world wide. Do I use tuning fuse YES!. I've TRIED THE RED YES!. It took warmth from the cello & violin in my Wilson speakers. WHICH GAVE ONE THE INPRESSION OF MORE CLEAR AND OPEN PRESENTATION. Use them as for what the are. But if one knocks your socks off. Then its removing to much, or adding to much. Tubes444
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brownsfan, I check the stock fuse and it's 1.6A. I just took Dan's word and didn't bother checking before use.
I've been using 3.15A since new without problems so not going to purchase another fuse. PS 9.0 is relative inexpensive so taking my chances. :-) |
"Geoffkait, if we believed in more, at least PT Barnum would have been better off! As for the rest of us, I feel that is still yet to be proven. :)" "All products must be marketed, even the really good ones. " - PT Barnum "You can’t prove anything to someone who has his mind made up." - GC Kait
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Geoffkait, if we believed in more, at least PT Barnum would have been better off! As for the rest of us, I feel that is still yet to be proven. :)
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Mapman wrote,
"Well everyone can rest easier now that machina dynamica geoffkait is convinced these things kick arse.
Mopman out."
Mopman, you’re putting words in my mouth again. You know what that means? Strawman alert! Take the day off. Come back when you’re fresh. Lol
"People would generally be much better off if they believed in too much rather than too little." PT Barnum
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knghifi, my PS 9.0 has a 1.6 A slo in it. One of us better check with Dan. I don't know which fuse is correct. I was about to refuse the 9.0 and would love to use a 3.15 in there if that is OK. |
brownsfan,Thanks for the info. I ordered another SR BLACK 3.15A fuse today. I see the labels now. I guess the coffee didn't kick in this morning. :-) I'm going to use SR BLACK in HDD live and move the SR RED from PS 9.0 to Mains Live. I replaced my full loom of SR REDs with SR BLACks. Since you didn't hear much improvement in Mains Live, no need wasting money on another SR BLACK. I asked Dan Wright many questions too. He only mentioned the fuse in PS 9.0 so I thought none in HAPZ1. I'm glad we have forums to share info. BTW, since PS 9.0 also uses a 3.15A, you can try SR BLACk in HDD live, stock in Mains Live and SR BLACk in PS 9.0. The correct fuse direction in PS 9.0 is rear to front.
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David, I wish for your brother all that our modern science can offer and more! This time we have is indeed a very precious thing. And if that is the harmonia mundi, I too would concur, a wonderful piece.
Charles, thank you. I always appreciate your thoughts and respect a set of ears that sits in front of a kit like your’s.
The 24/7 burn clock is running on those newest babies and I truly look forward to the smoothness, collected flow, and voicing to come to full bloom. I really do appreciate what these little things bring to the "humanness" of vocals.
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Hi,
The link you posted is informative, but you missed the fact that I am Irish, cursed that I am. Listening to music in a sober state of mind is not something we Irish do. Others must choose what is best for them. Cheers, Whitestix |
Geoff,
I am all Irish so I might just take you up on this idea, as I still have a collection of two dozen bottles. I am down with inexpensive tweaks!
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"I have a bunch of bottle caps from the dozens of Harp beers consumed at my home on St. Paddy’s day and I am gonna glue them all over the wall to simulate the effect of SR’s dots."
For even greater bass extension you might consider gluing the empty Harp bottles to the walls and perhaps the ceiling. That would be cool.
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I am happy to weigh in on this lengthy thread. I swapped the Red for the fuse in my tube preamp and listened to it for a week. Then I swapped back the standard fuse, which turned out to be a Hifi Tuning fuse. Then I did an A/B comparison for a while with familiar music. To my aging ears, there was no difference in sound -- zero, zip, nada. So, for the price of a couple of stamps, I sent it back for a refund. I demo’d SR’s room dots (the little AL plugs arrayed around the room) and had the same experience. Still, they give 100% refund so you may find some merit in their products. I have a bunch of bottle caps from the dozens of Harp beers consumed at my home on St. Paddy’s day and I am gonna glue them all over the wall to simulate the effect of SR’s dots. I am always in search of a cheap tweak, but the SR products so far have not produced any improvement. Cheers.
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I should add on dartzeel amp the fuse holder slots in horizontally near front of unit on the inside and need open top of unit to reach (pain in ass) and the SR fuses were loaded in red (previously) and now black fuse with the Synergistic label going in forward direction so the "S" of Synergistic is closest to front panel of unit
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I concur music is a salve for mental and physical wounds....feel David's worry as my mother is in intensive care in a coma....
I have been very happy with the red fuse in my amp dartzeel amplifier and playback designs CD player.
recently i put the black fuse into the playback CD player and it definitely improved soundstage further
Today I put black fuse into the amp in same direction as red fuse used to be.
isnt likely for those upgrading from red to black fuse that direction of fuse would be the same as it had been for the red?
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David,
I wish your brother they best outcome possible.
Charles, |
David ...
Sorry to hear about your brother. Hope he improves with treatment.
On the Dowling lute music ... Harmoni Mundi, right? Lovely recordings to be sure. |
Well everyone can rest easier now that machina dynamica geoffkait is convinced these things kick arse.
Mopman out. |
At all, even the SR claim that the WA Quantum Chip for fuses interferes with the operation of the Black fuse is probably no longer much of a mystery either since placing a WA Chip, although it’s teeny tiny, on the Black fuse could likely cover up the Black Dot, and could, one supposes, keep it from doing it’s duty. Sorry to disappoint. On the other hand if that's what SR was referring to couldn't an enterprising audiophile place a WA Chip on the Black fuse WITHOUT cause any "interference?" Speaking of which, HiFi Tuning ships their fuses these days (or at least the last time I looked) with a WA Chip already in place. It would be really cool if the WA Chip was located on the INSIDE of the HiFi Tuning fuse but I kind of doubt that’s the case. Now THAT would be a mystery. So, I notice I didn’t get any takers on my Pop Quiz, what’s inside the WA Quantum Chip? What’s up with that?! I guess all the world doesn't actually like a mystery.
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Al wrote,
"So the mystery continues."
Al, sorry to be so contrary but actually there’s really not much mystery left. Didn’t you get my memo? Yeah, yeah, I know, all the world loves a mystery. ;-) Now, don’t get me wrong, manufacturers do use a different array of tricks sometimes, like the Nano Fuse and Super Fuse from Audio Magic that are liquid filled. I can see you and Mapman wince when I say that. ;-) of course SR has "quantum tunneling" and the little black dot.
geoff at MD
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Mapman, thanks very much for performing those measurements. The HiFi Tuning paper Geoff linked to indicates that the difference in resistance between a 3.15 amp HFT fuse and a standard fuse was in the vicinity of 0.03 ohms, with the HFT’s resistance being lower. Given the somewhat limited resolution of your meter, your results appear to be similar.
So you’ve confirmed that unusually high resistance is not a contributor to the differences the SR fuses are making for many people. And neither is unusually low resistance. A 3 amp fuse in normal usage is likely to be conducting something on the order of 1 amp, which would result in a difference in voltage drop compared to a typical stock fuse of 0.03 ohms x 1 amp = 0.03 volts (corresponding very closely to measured voltage drop differences reported in the HFT paper for 3A fuses). And while 0.03 volts is almost certainly too small to make a difference in most or all applications, it is absolutely too small to make a difference that is consistently in the direction of being better, across a wide variety of components and a wide variety of AC line voltages.
So the mystery continues.
Best regards,
-- Al
P.S: David -- very sorry to hear the news about your brother. I’m sure I speak for all of us in hoping that his condition is treated successfully.
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Al, I trust the HiFi Tuning data answered your question regarding fuse resistance.
Cheers,
GK |
A better sense of flow and the music being more "alive".
I absolutely agree with you about life being too short. In less time than it takes to post an argument about obtaining some technical measurement,
one can order a Black fuse that has a money back guarantee. High- End Electronics does not charge shipping to the customer. So even if you send it back Insured Priority Mail in a small flat rate box, you are out a maximum of $6.80.
And please remember life is short - My Brother was diagnosed with Acute Monocytic Leukemia on Monday. Risking all of $6.80 to try a piece of equipment that multiple audiophiles have reported on favorably seems like a non issue.
Listening to my system with multiple Black fuses has given me some real comfort this week. Mozart, Bach, and the serene lute music of John Dowland have been my close companions.
David Pritchard
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