Synergestic Black Fuse vs Audio Magic BeesWax

5, 4, 3, 2....

My last post was removed simply because I pointed out the OP scammed Synergistic Research out of 4 expensive fuses and to be wary doing any business with him. Moderators, whom would you rather protect, the vast majority of honest Audiogon members, or the dishonest ones? I ask you to read Ted_d's post on page one.

@gormdane, the most dedicated Maggie owners bypass the entire fuse assembly, and replace the stock speaker cable hookup connectors . The holes drilled in the speaker’s back panel for the speaker cable connectors (horrid things, containing parts made of ferrous metals) are the same size as those required by Cardas binding posts, and all the other parts (including the fuse block, which has parts made of steel!) and connections can be easily by-passed. Some owners report hearing a huge improvement in transparency. You can read all about it on the Speaker Planar Asylum.

As long as a fuse is doing its job and not blowing due to sketchy ratings (like SR fuses do), they add or subtract exactly zero from the component, and that's as it should be.

josephcoulson

Give these forums something legit, I only have one thing to say. 
https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/1775886

I may have read this on another thread on this forum,  but I recently purchased a pair of Magnepan 3.7i speakers.  Do any of you have experience with base fuses with audiophile ones (I already replaced the the basic jumpers with the Cardas jumpers)?

This is true George. I have been watching this forum for a while and it seems like trolls like you and the other Star Trek fanboy have the floor with your inhospitable attitudes. Have fun.  

‘Fuses matter’

Typical, 3 posts all on fuses, another SR fuser recruitee.

Talk about a delayed reaction. 

It seems from this and other posts of yours on other threads you no longer have a leg to stand on and can't dominate the conversations as you used to so it's just insults and invectives from here on out. Noted.

All the best,
Nonoise

Well, let’s see. There’s Johnny. And Jim. And Roger. There’s Sally, Bruce and Molly and Alton. There’s Agnes, Flo, Bonnie and Herb. Make that two Herbs. There’s also Henrietta, Reggie, Neil and Boo Boo. Alex, Frank, Drew, Clayton, Harvey, Louise and Dave. I forget the rest.

‘Fuses matter’

Please name the 90,000 persons who have purchased the aftermarket fuses that you oft refer to.  How about naming 1,000 of them, maybe 100?

The defense rests its case.  Mr. Burger, your cross.

Just so we know what Appeal to Authority means, you know, since it comes up so much.

An argument from authority (argumentum ab auctoritate), also called an appeal to authority, or argumentum ad verecundiam, is a form of defeasible[1] argument in which a claimed authority’s support is used as evidence for an argument’s conclusion. It is well known as a fallacy, though some consider that it is used in a cogent form when all sides of a discussion agree on the reliability of the authority in the given context.[2][3] Other authors consider it a fallacy to cite an authority on the discussed topic as the primary means of supporting an argument.[4]

The claim 90,000 aftermarket fuses have been sold is not an Appeal to Authority. It’s actually evidence of the great success of the fuses, which lends credence to the idea that they probably work as advertised. Most likely audiophile fuse companies would have been run out of town on a rail a long time ago had their products failed to deliver. On the other hand, we’ve heard from some people who claim they didn’t get the results everybody else did. However, since there are only a few of them, it’s probably best to throw them out like any other outliers. We already know for any audiophile thingamabob there will always be a few who don’t get good results. That’s kind of how the cookie 🍪 crumbles.

Who or what is the false authority being appealed to? The person making the claim is automatically the authority of the claim. Being unconvinced by a claim lacking a legitimate theory, supported by dubious evidence, and built on broken logic doesn't make somebody an authority or "false authority" because it takes no authority to observe the obvious. It makes the unconvinced party not a gullible fool.

No. It's not as you authoritatively assert, which is part of an appeal to false authority.

I'm pretty sure your base rate fallacy claim isn't right either. That has to do with statistics and probabilities, and there aren't any statistics or probabilities in question it would apply to. Maybe it's not a Texas sharp shooters fallacy, but Geoff is certainly appealing to the authority a sales number represents, which is an insignificant number that doesn't prove anything.

Again, no. It can simply be the claim of a number or amount.

The base rate fallacy, also called base rate neglect or base rate bias, is a formal fallacy. If presented with related base rate information (some fuses sold) and specific information (all fuses sold), the mind tends to ignore the former and focus on the latter. 

Kind of like a red herring.

All the best,
Nonoise

Um yeah, that was kind of my point.

Good point, but somehow the rules do not apply to some. Seems like posts are removed on one side of the argument. 

whoopycat

Where are your measurements for this? You're stating your subjective experience ...

This is a hobbyist's group. No one here is required to produce measurements to suit your sensibilities. Everyone is free to post their subjective experiences without being subject to demands or attacks.

Kosst, you can't claim "science and measurements" only when it suits your needs.  You stated in another thread your Focal speakers have just as good dynamics as high efficiency speakers.  Where are your measurements for this?  You're stating your subjective experience, just like everyone else here.

In the real world there’s such a thing as third party (independent) verification and validation. There is no onus on any person or company making any claim. Anyone is free to promote or market or demonstrate his product be noone is required to prove any aspect of the product himself. In this hobby there are reviewers perform, ideally, third party testing and verification. In the real world roads don’t stop at the edge of town. Roads keep going.

kosst_amojan

It’s ALWAYS on those who make an affirmative claim to prove the claim with a plausible theory and valid evidence ...

Nonsense. No one here owes you anything. This is a hobbyist’s group, where everyone is free to share their experiences without suffering demands and attacks from you.

Beware the audio guru.

nonoise,
What's the name they give to the fallacious argument that says you have to prove what you hear to anyone else?

It's ALWAYS on those who make an affirmative claim to prove the claim with a plausible theory and valid evidence. Sans a plausible theory and valid evidence, the claim is rightly written off as nonsense.

An example of an Appeal to False Authority.

Geoff is making a Texas sharp shooter fallacy. He's claiming that because 90,000 boutique fuses have been sold to happy customers, they must do something, while deliberately ignoring the billions of fuses billions of people use every day quite happily as well. His argument could just as easily be flipped to say "Because billions of common fuses have been sold with overwhelming customer satisfaction, common fuses must be superior". Neither argument is necessarily logical or accurate because both presume sales volume somehow correlates to technical capabilities. It's an idiotic presumption on it's face.

An example of Base Rate Fallacy.

Unless I'm mistaken. For a better understanding, check out this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

One will recognize a lot of fallacious arguments listed that are continually used here.

All the best,
Nonoise

elizabeth
90.000. Where did THAT number pop up from? 🥧 🥧 🥧
If you are claiming of 90,000 fuses in use in audio equipment, at least 4,500 have had aftermarket fuses tried.. Maybe.. maybe...

>>>>>What on earth are you going on about? This was all covered many times. Try to pay attention.

kosst_amojan

How about you actually demonstrate your claims with an actual measurement.

Why should we make measurements to suit your sensibilities? You’re free to conduct your own tests.

Of course, you’ve already admitted that you don’t know how to do that:

I haven’t conducted my own anecdotal research ... if I did, it would be totally meaningless because I can’t apply adequate controls ... I do know for certain that psychological factors do influence what I and others hear. It’s something I have toyed with in an unscientific way and I’m satisfied with my results ...

So you demand scientific rigor from others, but you’re satisfied with your own casual experiments?

No one here owes you anything.

Actually, it’s empirical evidence. It’s a fundamental piece of the scientific method pie 🥧. OK, let’s suppose for the sake of argument it is anecdotal evidence. It would then be 90,000 anecdotal reports against, what, 3 who claim it can’t possibly work or claim it didn’t work for them. Who ya gonna believe? 

@kosst_amojan, so you are a comedian when you aren’t nay saying on audio fourms, huh? Good on ya mate!

So as I was (and still am so convinced of the sonic improvements) Took an hour yesterday and as it is very easy to change out the fuse in The Vega G2, I did just that. This isn’t even a 2 month old unit so please save it on the installed fuse may be old...wait...Auralic even stores a spare brand new 10 cent fuse in the slider that houses the fuse...let me try that one real quick.......zip ahead. The new bliss I hear with the Beeswax Ultimate SHD (That’s just the one I went with) was GONE!! Hello, my ears must suck??? That or I need mental help?? (well maybe I do? lol) No, there is no question that the factory installed fuse was and is no match for the upgraded fuse as when I put that buzzer back into action, it was game on. An ear lift that even Dummy Hoy could hear! (Don’t know who Dummy Hoy is?? Go look that up and start nay saying on the deaf fourms as you remind me of a real life Dummy with your spew. Wish I had you here in my home to do this A B for and shut ya up once and for all. Hell, my wife even asked me what I did to the stereo and commented how good it was sounding. She could give two craps but she picked up on it as well and the Auralic Vega G2 sounds amazing even with the stock fuse. I just took it up a nice notch. Now go listen to what ever no upgraded fuse rig you own and let us crazy folks imagine we hear a nice difference with upgraded fuses will ya??. Your replies really show your arse! Unless you put an upgraded fuse to the test, run along. Don’t go away mad, just go away!

Happy Listening and note to the wiser than I "Everything in this hobby makes a difference" (thanks Joey C!)

kosst_amojan writes:

I don’t doubt some people are sure they hear something. I’m pretty sure it completely in their head though.

Would you please list for us a few of the things you have actually compared and been unable to hear any difference between?

Or is this all completely in your head?

What are we to do with all the physicists and electronic engineers that do hear a difference in fuses? Maybe we can take their cards away.

kosst_amojan

I don’t doubt some people are sure they hear something. I’m pretty sure it completely in their head though

Of course it’s "in their head." Everything we hear is "in our head." We hear with our ears and brain, which are located in our heads.

Nobody’s anecdotal assertions are going to be as convincing as those of physicists or electronic engineers.

It’s not especially wise to favor the anecdotal observations of one group over the anecdotal observations of another. That’s what leads to "group think."

I can't say I compared high quality fuses and don't know everyone's case as to what gear they use, but I  can say I get a good laugh out of the doubting thomas's that rear their negativity here in this thread just to see their own spew, (exactly what it is too) . I was one of those doubting dopes in the begining of my journey and again, everyone's different and has different goals. Mine was to simply hear the labor of my love of music and my personal music library that is ripped in insane levels (All FLAC of course, leaving the formula out of this discussion) at the best possible delivery as I could without going too crazy$$. All of my music is stored on a Synology DS918+ NAS and I listen to nothing else as why would I?/ 28K albums strong and still adding weekly, so enough of why I do not need Tidal or the likes of anything like that. I simply set up 20-50 albums at a time and hit shuffle. Bliss. 
Bringing me  to gear...I own the Auralic Vega G2 and it is the by far nicest sounding network player in its price range so after adding top of the line XLR IC's and an amazing Power cord along  with top of the line Wireworld Ethernet cables (of Course I run a dedicated 20 amp line to all of my gear) things are sounding amazing.....HOLD IT!!!!!!!!!!!! You mean a simple change of a fuse in my Vega G2 will result in better soundstage, and overall tone will improve??? Really???? Damn skippy it does. Or I just am imagining it because I spent some of my hard earned money?? NOT, I changed out the factory installed fuse with the Beeswax SHD Ultimate and no need to wait 100 or more hours to hear that instantly I thought I just got a new network player! I have zero skin in this game nor do I work for Beeswax or any place that sells  these fuses. I am just sharing what gear it made a huge difference in for me and please don't listen to the the negative and bored people in this thread with all of their puke as that is just what it sounded like when I read their hogwash. The fuse lit the sound of my Vega G2 up like a beautiful Christmas Tree and I am  going to enjoy the amazing sounds of what I have now for a while before adding the Auralic Leo GX Clock to my set up. I'd love the hear the doubting dummys take on adding  the Leo Clock! lol Who cares what they say..yes the high quality fuses make a difference in high quality gear, Period! I just happen to go with what I read to be the best and with my VEGA G2 nothing but the best would do.   Happy listening people. I know my ears are happy.Hope this helps!!

Whoa! What! You mean Bag of Wind won’t suffice any longer?