Swiss Digital FUSE BOX Question Thread


Good Day

Over the last several weeks I have been receiving questions daily about the Swiss Digital Fuse Box

I have asked permission to post this thread.

Questions, needs, comments etc. – feel free to post here



I’m hopeful that by starting this thread those interested can get their questions answered.

Thanks – Mark

verafiaudio

@ozzy

In my home I have SDFB at the Wall End


That said - virtually ALL of our end users in the EU and Asia go the other way.
This is mainly due to installation with NEMA Piggies

Very busy today - The tail end of an incredible Holiday Season for us.

Merry Christmas - Mark

So, I guess I will address my own question.

I just tried the SDFB at the amp end and although it was kinda ok I ended up putting it back at the wall end.

To me, with the SDFB at the wall end, and then having the Power cord going directly into the amp retains the sound quality of the power cord going to the amp.

ozzy

Good Morning to all.

Grateful for the continuing discussions here - thanks to all of you

I will be back after Christmas to offer more. It's quite busy with orders and follow up right now. 

Have a wonderful Holiday Season - Best wishes - Mark 

Sound Quality wise, do you guys think the SDFB is better placed at the amp end or at the wall end?

ozzy

I just installed two more SDFBS with Graphene slugos in my DAC and tube preamp. I hope they are not directional. That would be four permutations. Access is very difficult.

Mark

I have a hard time understanding how a sluggo could be directional.  I assume there are no wires, and it is just a solid piece of Copper, silver, Graphene, or other.  I have two SDFB with Graphene sluggoos for my Aries Cerat Dac and Lucas Audio MS.  Have you done testing to verify directionality?  Personally, one of the reasons I purchased the SDFB was that I did not want to deal with directional fuses.  I have a third SDFB coming for my Aries Cerat Ageto Pre.  That requires two sluggos.  Can you imagine the contortions I would have to go through to determine the direction for each?  It does not make sense to me.  Please provide your insight.  Thx

Thanks grannyring for your comments.

I am thinking though keeping the Dragon going into the amps will retain the "flavor" of the Dragon better.

Of course, being the never ending tweaker, I will probably try it at the (fuse box-w adapter) at the amp end too!

ozzy

@ozzy you have some great power cords! I did this so the Swiss boxes would be neat and tidy behind my gear.  Mark says both positions are fine, but closer to the actual piece of gear seems like a small plus should protection mode be needed.  I understand we are talking about a minuscule difference. 

So, before I venture into my own DIY project, the question I have is:

Is the SDFB better placed at the amp end or at the wall end?

BTW, I am using the AQ Dragon power cords,

ozzy

@grannyring 

 

WOW... Color me INCREDIBLY Excited

This is a fabulous idea. I LOVE IT

Want some for myself and Peter Madnick right away. 

Super good stuff. 

Happy Holidays 

Mark 

 

Built my own adaptors replacing the cheap ones from Amazon. My goodness what a big step up in sound quality! If any of you are using the cheap adaptors you really must build a good DIY adaptor. You can buy great sounding AC plugs on Amazon from Viborg or Monosaudio. Here is a link to the Viborg offerings. You can order Rhodium, Gold, or copper. These sound as good as the big dollar ones based on my long history of building cables. You will discard the outer plastic barrels so don’t spend more money on the fancy carbon fiber or aluminum ones.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N4J8DZC?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

 

Simply use Neotech 14 or 12 gauge solid core copper wire in Teflon as your conductor. Remove the outer barrels and hook up the the connectors back to back with short 3 or so inch lengths of wire. I soldered spades to the conductor ends for ease in assembling. Not a must. Close quarters if the conductors are cut this short, but you can cut them a bit longer if you like. Don’t do this unless you understand the proper way to assemble a power cord as you don’t want a short!

I covered with 3 layers of adhesive lined 1.5 inch diameter heat shrink (3:1). Very robust and safe. Sounds incredible and takes up very little room. Total cost per adaptor of around $50. I am able to place the Swiss box right behind my gear on a rack with these adapters in place. I place footers or wood blocks under the Swiss box for support. . Works wonderfully.

You can also use a short 3-4 inch section of your favorite bulk power cord cable. Your choice. I like the Neotech solid core conductor sound and robustness. You do need some skill and experience to build these as lining up everything can be a challenge. I used these spades to tighten down inside the AC connectors, but these are not a must. After you tighten down the connector screws and apply 3 layers of double walled, adhesive lined shrink wrap no part of this adaptor will ever move! Hard as a rock with no give or chance of any movement! 
 

https://www.soniccraft.com/product_info.php/sonic-craft-bar-spade-p-1516

I received my fusebox (w/Graphene Sluggo) last week. After a few frustrating days I reversed the Sluggo.. Ahh! There was an odd tonality and edginess to the music before the change. I've experienced this with many aftermarket fuses over the years so I'm not really surprised. I'm using the fusebox with my integrated amp only. 

Wow. Interesting.   Problem is this won’t  work with the Swiss Box as is without the use of an adapter 🙁.  

It’s actually a passive power conditioner, crystals based and since it sits at the end point of the piwer chain particularly effective at eliminating ground level borne and EMI/RFI induced crud on the piwer line. It drops the noise floor, increases localisation within and dimensions of the sound stage as well as sharpening impulse response. And the Chinese knock offs are actually quite good.

@antigrunge2 Please tell us more about this combo in terms of sonic qualities. I was not aware of this product from Furutech. 

To further improve the Digital Fusebox combine it with a Furutech FLUX 50 NCF. unfortunately that links via 2 IECs, otherwise it’s make an excellent piggytail.

My third Swiss box is now in place on my Innuos Pulsar streamer. Another gain in sound quality.  These are easily the best component/tweak upgrade I have experienced.   Just wonderful. The Audiophile’s Wife agrees 110%.  
 

For me and in my system, the Graphene Sluggos are king of the Sluggo hill. They are the most refined, natural and easeful sounding.  They make me want to listen longer. Better depth and layering.  I like the pure copper also, but the Graphene is next level.  

Well I ordered a 3rd for my Innuos Pulsar streamer. Once my new dac comes in I will order a Swiss for it! All in on these. 

grannyring,

I only have one source (Lumin X1) going directly to my amps. With this unit I still have the SR Master fuse.

Hmmm, now I wonder if I should get another SDFB for the Lumin?...

ozzy

antigrunge2,

If I understand you correctly, you are saying with just the slug installed there is more volume than when you also connect up the SDFB. Interesting.

Since my amps take 20A fuses I installed the SDFB Max that outputs 20A. Perhaps that is what you may need (if the difference is significant).

ozzy

I purchased two Swiss boxes replacing Purple and Master SR fuses. They are now pretty broken in and I love them! I have a Graphene Sluggo on my Int amp and pure copper Sluggos on my field coil power supply. The copper Sluggos are definitely directional. I have not found the Graphene Sluggos to be directional in my amplifier.

The SR fuses are wonderful, but the Swiss box does not editorialize or color the sound in any way. All SR fuses have a sound and personality if you will. Using them I was forced to find the recipe or combo of fuse colors needed for my system and tastes. None of the recipe tailoring is needed with the Swiss box.

All aspects of sound quality have improved with no part of the frequency spectrum highlighted. As others have said, music has a greater sense of ease and is naturally and rightly balanced. The Swiss box improves dynamics, realism, resolution, stage size and just puts a smile on your face.

@ozzy 

Agreed, what I was trying to get at is that there seems to be a very slight volume loss comparing an inserted box to a sluggo only setting. That said the benefits compared to fuses are uncontesteable

I'm trying so hard to not address this thread too much and to just allow the opinions both positive and negative to flow for lack of a better word organically 

 

Ozzy is correct I generally ask that people start with their amplifiers first. The results are usually remarkable to most that have written me 

 

Fuse boxes now being sold very successfully all over the world and recently there are some marvelous reviews in Mandarin that have been posted in Taiwan that are just extraordinary 

 

We're very proud of fuse box and fuse box Max and it's true we do have other things coming that will really I think impress our customer base 

 

I really appreciate all of the opinions here and again trying very hard to not get in the way 

 

Happy holidays to all 

 

Best wishes 

 

Mark

antigrunge2,

To the contrary, I noticed much more "muscle" (dynamics) with the SFB compared to using the SR Pink fuses.

I do think that the SFB works its magic best with amps. Afterall it is replacing a hair-like wire in a fuse with a much larger diameter slug.

ozzy

Hello and thanks for your question 

 

There is no loss using Swiss digital fuse box I can assure you of this 

 

Thank you very much for your question and I hope everybody will continue experimenting with Sluggo. 

 

Best holiday wishes to all 

 

Mark

Question to Mark: am I right that the box results in a 1-2 db transmission loss?

@ozzy Due to your success I thought I would give switching direction on my Graphene Sluggos another go after not hearing a difference hours back.  Well 🤯! The sluggo in my tube preamp sound definitely improved.  The Sluggo in my tube amp I couldn’t distinguish a noticeable difference like my preamp.  I will spend some more time flipping the amp Sluggo in between eating my plate of crow!😂

I’ll try reversing when everything breaks in (SDFB, Piggy Tail, graphene sluggo)

If my prior experience with Graphene contact enhancer (PPT Perfect Path) is any

guide, it takes 30 - 60 days for it to reach full potential, although a different horse since PPT is a paste not vapor deposited.

my Graphene Sluggo made a noticeable jump at 20 hours just like the PPT paste, there was a  shrillness that evened out  plus expanded seperation of instruments. Hoping improvement continues. I want MORE MORE MORE!

;=)

Anyone else try reversing the Graphene fuses? Maybe you got lucky and have them going the right way, I evidently did not.

Unbelievable how much better my system sounds now. Even the bass is more defined. Picture Snoopy doing his happy dance, or perhaps the Trump dance...?

ozzy

antigrunge2,

Man, this is some crazy stuff, goes against any known saneness that I once thought I possessed. (My wife might not agree with that statement.)

I owe you thanks for posting the idea. My friend Tom convinced me to give it a try, he says that the copper slug may have been drawn in one direction as wire is.

What I am hearing with just a couple hours in, is that yes, I do at least at this time, do hear more resolution, a little louder, more dynamic, better higher frequencies and overall better sound. I would not have believed it.

Now do I believe that I just happened to have the fuses both in the same direction before I switched them? It sure seems like I got lucky, but I will probably reverse one in the future just to try. I did put a small red tape piece at each fuse end, so I don’t get confused. (not in the contact area)

Perhaps Mark should add some mark for future tweakers...

More to come...

ozzy

@ozzy 

Did you change both simultaneously? You‘d be ideally positioned to change one and then let us all know.

Cheers

So, keeping in the spirit of being a possessed, tweaker, audiophile I just reversed the direction of the Graphene fuses in my mono block amps.

ozzy

@ozzy 

Wanted to comment quickly that we do purchased "Extruded" Bar Stock that we then carefully mill to size. We are even doing that dreaded UK required 6 x 25mm necessary for UK Socketry.  Gotta love the UK. My first wife was an Ipswich Girl.  

"one piece" is accurate given the Milling necessary...

As always - Thanks 

 

PS - I will try to post more during The Season, as we have some pretty nifty stuff coming. 

 

Good Evening

Thanks to all of you for your amazing support of the Swiss Digital Fuse Box. I can share with all of you that Fuse Box MAX has started strong and Review Requests are at an all-time high. Good news…

 

On the subject of Sluggos and their Directionality (or Not) most of us feel that the Graphene version is NOT directional. The Graphene is Vacuum Deposited and as such… none of us can detect a difference

Same for Super Sluggo (High Purity Copper with God Immersion) – we cannot detect a difference in these as well…

 

THEN… the High Purity Copper I have to back track a bit and admit I was wrong. I DO hear a difference when flipped. Ugh… 😊


That’s what I can tell you now. Graphene is by far my favorite Sluggo as I get that AMAZING Clarity Difference WITH the Organic nicely blended in. It still amazes me.


YMMV – but I am Graphene all the way. We did our best to make them affordable and with the 25% off coupon still in play (Code Happy Thanksgiving) they are more affordable than ever.


Wishing everyone a wonderful Holiday Season

Best wishes – Mark

I am open to many tweaks that require an open mind and when people were mentioning Sluggo's were directional I thought how could a solid piece of metal be directional.  So I gave it a go comparing Sluggo's (silver, copper graphene with many hours)in different directions. I could not hear a difference on my system. If others are able to hear a difference great for them and enjoy.  It will be interesting to see what Mark and his team experience on their testing.

 

Thanks Mark. 

Then that conflicts the idea that the sluggo can be directional. 

Is the graphene applied in a direction?

ozzy

Breaking in my new SDFB with Graphene sluggo.

Would you break everything in before trying reversing the sluggo ? Or switch direction while it's still settling in, have about 5 hours on it so far.

Many thanks.

antigrunge2,

Interesting. But kinda hard to believe...

Mark, is the sluggo a solid unit?

ozzy

@antigrunge2 

I have to reluctantly admit that more and more End Users are agreeing with you

I will be doing more evaluating and I will ask Peter M to do same 

Maybe I need to "get with it" on this matter

Thanks - Mark

Sluggos are directional. When I use the graphene sluggo on my Wavac EC300b the difference between either way is substantial. It‘s equivalent to changing phase: when inserted the right way images get more coherent and there is less congestion.,Pls try it, otherwise you may not know what you are missing.

Dear Friends,

 

Swiss Digital FUSE BOX has been an around the world massive success. We are all very grateful for the faith and trust you placed in us with SDFB and it’s ancillary products. Thank YOU!

Unfortunately, we must raise the price. On the 1st of November. Costs are going through the roof – and we’ve done our best to not come to this point… but here we are.


The new prices look like this

 

                                                                        Current Price                       New Price



FUSE BOX                                                      $395.00                                  $495.00

Standard Piggy Tail                                    $99.00                                    $125.00

Super Piggy                                                 $149.00                                  $175.00

Piggy Extreme                                             $199.00                                  $249.00

Sluggos                                                        

NO INCREASE                      NO INCREASE

FUSE BOX MAX (13 amps to 32 amps)   $450.00                                  $595.00

 

If you have interest in purchasing any of the above, may we please ask you to place your order quickly. Production Lead Times are 2 to 4 days for shipment.

Those of you in the EU, please consider ordering your FUSE BOX with our Standard NEMA 15 Piggy which works perfectly between your Gear (IEC Power Inlet) and the Output of FUSE BOX. Then use your current cable from the Wall to the INPUT SIDE of SDFB.

 

Please feel free to send me your order needs and Jordan or Courtney will invoice right away. I’m so sorry for the short notice, but with a moment to re-visit our new costs, I simply must get the wheels in motion. My apologies.

Some of you prefer PayPal – and we can accommodate you.

My e-mail remains    verafiaudio@gmail.com

WhatsApp                  +1.303.594.7586

 

Many sincere thanks – Mark

PS - my apologies for posting here

What would be cool for OEM, is a rectangular PCB board, with the through holes on one end for direct soldering the various IEC connectors to it. So you could just screw it directly to the backplate of a chassis, and just use 2 standoffs at the other end of the PCB.

@agisthos 

 

Thanks for your note. Just caught this before getting ready to head out today. 

OEM Version already done - we have been contacted by at least 8 to 10 companies that have tested SDFB and LOVED the results. 

The Snubbers are Rocking - and a few mkore surprises for latter Summer 

I have a really great team and Damien will be taking over more duties soon - it's getting to be time I fade into the background a bit more each month. 

Many thanks

Mark 

HI Mark, you are considering an OEM version of the SDFB for amplifier manufacturers? How is that coming along?

I do realise you have a lot of things on the boil. 3x different snubbers? I just ordered mine!!

@agisthos I have Monoblocks like yours as well: mine are BAT VK60.

i wii receive a swissdogital fusebox for the main fuse soon. But 4 fuses are protecting the output tubes on each monoblock.  Did you put slogos in there? What kind and why directonal.