Hi there were soooo many posts asking af any given device, toy, tweak or component is snake oil. I’m not considered to be disbeliever or engineering guru at all. All I know and use is elementary math.
If an amp worth more than new Bmw, I can kinda take that with grain of salt, but if a wire is worth more than stainway grand, I am DEFINITELY sure snake oil is there without even questioning if this particular product makes sense
So now any audio device can be plugged into the detection formula above to truthfully define snake oil. All you need to know is product name, description and asking price.
Why are there so many threads like this? Could it be that the poster is afflicted by a nagging doubt in the back of his brain, that his cherished theories on audio may be incorrect? The certitude of the post hints at a need to overcompensate. This is how we attempt to modulate our blood pressures and our digestive tracts in trying times.
yeah, like what's wrong with snake oil? We have this hippie pharmacy here that sells all kinds of homeopathic remedies. Some are pretty funny. My wife wanted some product for some ailment and I went with her- the stuff cured everything, from boils, to depression, to hair loss, etc. They still make stuff like this. BTW, the bottle of stuff wasn't cheap, but I didn't try it on my stereo. :)
Why kill thread? give me ANY item even non audio — plug in and I can tell ya if it buzzes or blinks or BOTH or scared that you wasted your funds in air?
Nevertheless, if you plug just Shakti stone or even Nordost Odin to my SOD without mentioning price, it will not blink. If you enter MSRP, it will DEFINITELY blink and BUZZ on both products!
Jmc I do not judge I only show what works and it does as you can see
As far as I know there has never been an iconic audiophile tweak, whether inexpensive or Uber expensive, you know, icons like Silver Rainbow Foil, Green Pen, aftermarket fuses, fancy cable lifters, Mpingo disc, crystals, Shakti Stone, Walker Talisman demagnetizer, Tourmaline Gun ionizer, proven by anyone to be a hoax. Just a lot of who shot John. Or idle threats of “bet it can’t pass a blind test.” You can argue until the cows come home 🐄 or until you’re blue in the face 😨 as to their effectiveness or cost benefit as that would obviously vary.
The worth of anything is what another person is willing to pay for it. Period. Want to know how much your rare-one-of-a-kind audio component is worth? Put it up for a no reserve one dollar auction, that's what it's worth to the highest bidder.
Also, if something comes with a money back guarantee then it's not snake oil, no matter what the claims made by the manufacturer. Even if the claims flout the laws of physics, if you hear a difference and are happy with it, then it doesn't matter what other people call it, does it? Because it is none of anyone else's business what a person spends his money on.
....but if a wire is worth more than stainway grand, I am DEFINITELY sure snake oil is there without even questioning if this particular product makes sense...
+1
The highway is for gamblers, better use your sense.
@czarivey I'm sad for you to hear that you have apparently never had the pleasure of inserting a "reasonably priced" component that exceeded expectations based on the price paid. "Shopping smart"!
Czarivey, Other people choices don’t bother me. If they can hear improvement from $1k cable to $10k cable - good for them. If this improvement was only a placebo effect - net result is still the same. Bottle of wine can cost way more than grand Steinway (some wines are $300k), but if somebody can afford it then why not. I would not be able to tell the difference, but I would not call it a snake oil.
There are people on this forum who cannot tell the difference between cables because of their hearing, system or room, but feel very defensive about it and claim that nobody else can hear it. Such people place "snake oil" post all the time on Cable forum. They created sort of club and enjoy each other posts. It makes them feel much better knowing that other people cannot hear it as well. In a sense a feel sorry for them and not because of hearing, but because of attitude.
As for me, I found big improvement with more expensive SCs and not so much with 10x more expensive ICs. It is most likely point of diminishing returns for my hearing ability. From now I will only work to improve rest of the system and the room acoustics.
All you need to know is product name, description and asking price.
Perhaps that’s all that you need to know, but I don’t judge effectiveness based on price. What you describe seems to be a formula for evaluating value, not "snake oil," which is a term bandied about here with much too great ease, imo.
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