Should people with no turntable or reel to reel be considered audiophiles?


Just like those driving a Porsche SUV can join PCA (digital audio fans can join Audiogon) but are certainly not Porschephiles unless they also own a coupe (Panamera owners I guess gets a pass here).

Please respond with a yes or no and we'll tally a vote for the first 100 responses.

sokogear

tomic601
5,634 posts06-16-2020 12:38pm

Didn’t Alberts’ neighBOHR give him plumbing advice ?


No, that was to Mrs Einstein, and it wasn’t advise, yuk yuk yuk

Regards
For me being audiophile is not collecting costly gear, or debating about cables, or about digital versus analog, but more about improving the embeddings triple dimensions of any audio systems at any price, analog or digital....I prefer to use homemade cheap methods with guided listening experiments and they are very effective anyway....That is my clear answer to your question....
Sokogear I dont know if you are a neighbour or a plumber but he is not Einstein....And I am not Christ.... :)
Rockets are big fun, until they aren’t...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M7wBN-U2KXI

this was a double whammy as teams I led or were on built the Satt and the Satt fairing....
BobbyDid - How is a watch an analogy to rocket science? Talking about time moving continuously? Are you debating that point? At least a 5 year old child has curiosity and is open minded .... that's not a personal attack so I am responding to you.
For the cable problem, it is the pons asinorum of audio matters....No comment....
Didn’t Alberts’ neighBOHR give him plumbing advice ?
For sure and good Albert sometimes explain something, most of the times smiles only.....
Hee hee, until your next meal...
I will translate my aphorism for a better understanding....


Magic overriding mechanics dont supply bread in all prayers for sure... :)



Consciousness override the body in a way more manifest.... Is it clearer? :)


Christ was carpenter (mechanician) and not only magician... :)
At the moment time reversed, I plan to switch directions on my directional cables.
at the null point, for an instant ( which will be double blind ) those with lesser cables will rule...
In a cosmos without the concept of time, magic override mechanics..


Hee hee, until your next meal... How did you get that.. hmmmmm? :-)

Somebody had to fix that truck, that tractor, that combine, that belt drive, that, refer trailer or boxcar.  Crack me up.... 

Kinda see my point.. Some do, some don't, BUT everyone has the right to be wrong... Right?

Regards
I prefer the eternal future. But the jokes are better back here, I’ll grant you that. 🤗
In a cosmos without the concept of time, magic override mechanics....And we live in this universe without knowing it for the last thousand years till 1925.... Welcome to the eternal present....

roberttdid
158 posts
06-16-2020 12:00pm
sokogear,

You are like a 5 year old child, making an analogy to a literal rocket scientist, on how rockets works ... To people who actually know what they are talking about, that is how you sound. Does that analogy bother you?

I worked on 4 rockets too... Yup sure did... Rocketman here...

But this is my real hair.....It's naturally curly, NOW...

Helped build and weld the darn thing up for an event every year,

yup yup permits the whole thing..

Still your rude....

Regards


Time is just a convenience scientists use to calculate velocity and acceleration. Time is kind of like the glue that holds everything together. Spacetime. In fact, if there was no mass in the universe time wouldn’t exist; furthermore, if the universe stops expanding and starts to contract, time will start to move backwards. 🔙
BTW, I deserve a Rolls-Royce for my retirement, all mechanics deserve one for having to put up with the crap. 

Good lord, the world works because of mechanics...

Every war won or lost was because of...Mechanics..

Every drop of food that gets in your mouth.. Mechanics, Drivers, Workers.

Regards
Are you angry when someone cannot understand Q-bits and dont even try ?

I apologize for my question.....We are supposed to be all friends 

millercarbon
4,831 posts
06-16-2020 10:06am
The same box Porsche use in their auto shift units.


Uh, no. You didn't. Not PDK. Tiptronic, maybe. But the mere fact you say "auto shift units" tells me you don't even know the difference.

millercarbon,

Sorry to say Yes ZF built a LOT of the autoshifters for those who chose to use them. Best not cross many of my Ts on this one millercarbon.

I don't tell you how to take pictures, best to stick with what you know...
You may know Porsche, you may even have something to contribute about stereos. But being a mechanic, you aint.. sorry buddy..

Again you ever split a ZF transmission? I have...

My point is they were in the HD market way before they hit the Auto market..They hold up, very well with OBD2 electric, servo control, they were the first...To get it right... A lot of problems. BMW, Audi just about all of the SL SUV soccer mom "things" from Europe, use them.

Don't get upset, you might just learn something... if your nice...

I'll take my marbles, a play somewhere else... Porsche Man.

I had a 1970, Panteria, and a 63 Studebaker Avanti so what does that make me...

Regards


Einstein's neighbors likely never tried to teach Einstein physics with grade school analogies :-)   There is a difference between mocking lack of knowledge and mocking the lack of desire to learn.
Einstein never mocked the physics knowledge of his neighbour, his plumber did.....  :)
“ Porsche 914 people were bullied....( now ) I get people coming up to me extolling the virtues of the 914 and these are people I remember telling me 15 years ago they weren’t any good “

Pano May 2020 on the 50th birthday for the 914


sokogear,

You are like a 5 year old child, making an analogy to a literal rocket scientist, on how rockets works ... To people who actually know what they are talking about, that is how you sound. Does that analogy bother you?

I use plumber brass caps and copper tape and I transform all acoustic in my room….

This is audiophile madness turned real....

For the cost of a few bananas.....

Owning a turntable or a dac is way less important than the acoustical sphere of your room....
I guess Raul doesn't think "stupid" is a personal attack. I won't respond to any more personal attack posts.

I like discussions/arguments over bits & bytes versus continuous sound and I'll try one more analogy to see if you digital only guys get it.

By no means am I a watch expert, but I own one automatic watch and one quartz watch (for when the automatic is getting serviced every 7 years or so). Over the long haul (or weekly or monthly), the quartz is more accurate, lower maintenance, typically less expensive, etc. But here's the thing....time does not move in discrete seconds, it moves continuously, just like the seconds hand of an automatic watch. Turntables are automatic watches, CDs, or anything stored in a file are defined by individual 1s or 0s. Not continuous.

Before you throw up in a response, I voted YES, someone could be considered an audiophile if they don't own a turntable (forget the caveats).
wolf_garcia,

"Regarding the qualification to be an audiophile, it seems to me all you need is the love of actively listening to great music through speakers or good headphones in stereo (or mono if that’s called for). That and at least one expensive cable."


I’d say so. A work colleague of mine, still in his 20s doesn’t care for separates at all. Yet he went out of his way to buy a top of the range HTC smartphone exclusively because of its sound quality which he believed was down to its superior DAC.

He also uses some highly reviewed in ear headphones.

He has also been considering a separate portable headphone amp, but I’ve never asked him about the cable.

Definitely an audiophile.
No expensive cable, no Porsche. What a bum.

I do have a little blue Lotus Europa (Matchbox). I recently bought it. No kidding.
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"That and at least one expensive cable."
I almost qualified.

"My fave wasn't a Porsche but a '69 Lotus Elan...mind blowing."
Can you rewrite it into Lotus Europa? It would raise the coolness level way past any Porsche aficionado.
McQueen made the Heuer Monaco watch famous, and few would question how utterly cool that thing is. Over the years I've driven a '58 Speedster, a '74 Carrera, a recent Cayman S, an early 80's 928S, a 914 6 cylinder, and a 944, and they were all amazingly fun which might just be the point. My fave wasn't a Porsche but a '69 Lotus Elan...mind blowing. Regarding the qualification to be an audiophile, it seems to me all you need is the love of actively listening to great music through speakers or good headphones in stereo (or mono if that's called for). That and at least one expensive cable.
Some fun facts:
”2019 per dealership sales increased from 301 to 322, bulk of that was SUV 180 to 218”

draw your own conclusions....

USA has 191 Porsche dealers..Also China imports 31% of global production 

from Pano May 2020
Do true Porschephiles have Seat Ibiza (first generation) in their collections?
Hiway - yes of course and a CFM56.  Starting to like ya, smart chicken. I was crew on 69 R/T with Keith Black 440 wedge. Fun. The tire budget proved inadequate...

the Tiptronic ——— > PDK factions within the P car universe are a hoot. Until .....
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geoffkait,

Damn, and they are not even paying royalties to me.

By the way, I do qualify for an audiophile. See all those records stuck on the wall?
The same box Porsche use in their auto shift units.


Uh, no. You didn't. Not PDK. Tiptronic, maybe. But the mere fact you say "auto shift units" tells me you don't even know the difference.

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All this Porsche talk. Has anyone actually split a boxer block, like a Porsche, Offenhauser, VW, or Subaru. I have, all of them.  I use to work part time for Kieth Black, racing. I use to build diesel and boxer engines.
Did a lot of his blower work.  KB, Paxton, Jimmy 53,71,92s,
Turbo research and VT 1979-80. Also Wager and Pogosa, 1980-81

A lot of  the engines were retroed for air frames...Boxers, 2.4-3.6L twin T
can't break down up there .. I NEVER had an issue, EVER...

Please don't beat me up guys...

Last count in 2002, I had built over, 350 diesel blocks, and 1100 gas/lpg/propane blocks.

That's when I converted to a hydraulics, mainly..Drill rigs, tunnel work
Large Bore...2002-2017. All OBD2, with Cann Buss

Box and drive train, that's the tricky stuff, did quite a few 4,5,6,10-13,15 speed boxes, lots and lots of Allison, Clark, and Zs
same auto box but bigger.. The same box Porsche use in their auto shift units..and just about every German,Italian, or British made autoshift muscle car..

All this talk.... See it's fun it's festive... Hat on the floor. Turn up the music.... Cha Cha Cha..... Around the hat I go... the dog following 
me... The rabbit thinks it time to hide. Maybe so.. Down the wabbit hole we go.... Where is that mushroom?

Easy peasy..

Regards
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tomic601,

Well, it was not my car but the man let us take laps on a sunny day. I even went on the Tauern (Autobahn) for a bit. I had not remembered it for the longest time, until reading this thread. I have no special feelings for the brand, but I do consider 928 close to the dream car.

Speaking of "utility vehicles" not being real Porsches, sokogear may need to check Jagdwagen.

Is there a collector of fancy brand tractors? Porsche, Lamborghini...
All parts vibrates, then we must controls resonance...

The electrical grid of the house must be cleaner....

The room is not an external part of your ears, it is an internal part of your hearing apparatus...Then we must controls acoustic...

These are the 3 embeddings of any audio system....The important question is how to address the embeddings....

All the rest, vinyl versus digital, costly electronics,etc, are beside the essential points to create your own Hi-FI paradise... No money is needed, only listening experiments and homemade low cost materials...


Then the question of The OP dont make sense for me....By the way I am an audiophile and I listen to my 10,000 cd and files (classical, Jazz, Indian, Persian-Iranian mainly)....

The Russian Lada 4 by 4 I owned was my favorite car because I can go anywhere in the forest roads and not be afraid of destroying it at a high cost because this car cost peanuts 25 years ago and it was easy to repair it at very low cost.... :) Then a pleasure to ride.....I apologize for being a bit "provocative" here but the thread is a bit provocative also....


" Gives me your favorite road, I will gives you the corresponding car"- Groucho Marx


rauliruegas
.... If I read or hear something stupid several times writed by the same gentleman/person my brain tells me that he lives in the stupidity land and I can tell him why he is an stupid one in an specific audio subject and for me this is not an attack.
Raul, I know that English is not your native language, and it can be a struggle even for those for whom it is. So it is with politeness and courtesy that I tell you that using the word "stupid" towards another is indeed an attack. I understand that you may not intend it that way, but there's really no other way for a native speaker of English to interpret the remark.
Nothing confuses the PCA faithful more than showing up at the event ( like Marymoor park ) in a very rare but also outlaw 993 wearing a Prancing Horse ballcap...

only true Porschephiles also have the tractor...

we are the people our parents warned us about !!!!

anybody running a Rally car ? Logging roads at Mach 9? Our podunk club had a very competitive Saab back in the day
I would not survive a minute on the track, but have driven 959. Around Gmünd, no less. And I had not known what PCA was.

Life is not fair to Porschephiles.

Time for an audiophile experience, earphones and Walkman. In 959, it was Blaupunkt radio.