Ridiculous sale

Good find Cei bad time for collectors

Ugh

Laughs

Try and buy a house right now. Audiophiles know better than anyone how the cost goes up when the "gotta haves" just won't stop.

Remember that these outrageous prices are chump change for many of our bretheren. More power to them until it's their turn to sell!

I call that "strategic selling"

See the "make offer button?"

My guess is the bar is raised high, for anticipating buyers negotiating a lower, "reasonable' price. Seller likely will sell at a profit, but....you just never know?

Of course, there are those who just get what they want, when they want it. 

Right Now just about every used car and a lot of new cars are selling for more then blue book or MSRP. I sold my Tesla last year for 8K more then I paid new. Supply and demand my friends

I agree with the observations about TMR audio; their prices are getting closer and closer to original retail MSRP on their used goods and their "Certified" program offers pretty much nothing to the buyer. And, having to click thru to their site for product details is annoying. 

I enjoy Audiogon less and less over the last couple of years due to absurd pricing and candidly TMR and the guy in Chicago saturating the site with their products. I've found alternative sites to purchase from.

How often do you see decware amps on the used market? It seems most buyers don't end up selling them. If so, it's rarity + wait, not just wait. Could be wrong, but I looked for used before I gave in and got on the list. Maybe that's just my experience.

I live near TMR in Colorado.  I offered to sell it my 80s vintage Klipsch Cornerhorns with Crites drivers. It offered $800.  I sold them in one day off of Craigslist for $2500.  Apparently TMR is in the “profit” game. I do like it’s website.  Pretty pictures.  Use it as a catalog and then find the product elsewhere. 
 

@colorado2017 and why else would TMR be in business? Why do you work? That was a darn silly post. No really you should dwell on it and think about all those pretty pictures and costs associated in running that business at TMR. Yes they are all about making a profit.

Nice first post. Welcome to the jungle.

I don’t begrudge TMR.  If a buyer doesn’t want to pay the price, look elsewhere. Running any kind of business is a bitch. I replaced the Cornerhorns with Ohm Walsh Micro Talls for my little corner in the basement. Sweet sound. When my Quicksilvers come back from repairs, I think it will be a nice match.  The Ohms are built to a price point. A bit lightweight. But the design is clever and the midrange is sweet. I am too old for big bass. I prefer great midrange. Which is why I fancied some Spendors. Great midrange. Anyway, the Ohms are good for a man cave. I was prompted to buy them because they are made in America, and because the Bosch character on cable has a pair, and someone told me I look like Titus Welliver. 

Paying a premium for the opportunity to avoid waiting is an everyday thing. Try booking a flight for the same day and you will pay the highest convenience premium you'll ever see. If you can afford convenience, there's no problem. I wouldn't do it, and I think it's silly to pay more than retail, but that's an individual choice.

Hey, just don't buy it.  I doubt if anyone will at that price.  There are always other options.  

If the market is $4500 and sales are happening in a typical orderly fashion between evenly motivated parties, that is called a market. If the market for the amp is $4500, then Decware is leaving money on the table by selling their product below market. I bet the market at that price is not robust. Decware must like knowing that they can sell all they can build which keeps their inventory of parts cost low. If they thought they could immediately ship every one they finish making without worry, they probably would raise their price. The business is not a charity or public service.

Many businesses don't expand, even if given the opportunity. There are costs associated with it, and if their goal is not market share, so be it. Also, as production volume goes up, typically product quality goes down, and obviously people like the quality at the price being offered. 

Supply and demand. I see items that I sold a couple of years ago for $2,000-$2,500 go for $3,500-$4,500... Everything sells as long as someone is ready to pay.

I don't get why the OP and others on this thread have to lump TMR in with the would-be profiteers like the guy trying to sell the Decware.  I say "would-be" because obviously any able-minded buyer is free to ignore an insane offering price.  But why pick on TMR?  IF you can read, you can see the "View Product Details" just below the TMR logo.  Push it and it takes you directly to the product offered, with the same information that we used to see when the listing remained on the Agon site. This puts you into the TMR system if you want to purchase--which I can tell you, is a hell of a lot easier than all the crap we have to go through to buy or sell using the Audiogon system. I speak as a customer only--I'm in no way affiliated with the company. I've bought from TMR for almost as long as they've been around, and am using them to sell a lot of my stuff on consignment nowadays. They are super-thorough in going over my gear before they put it on the market, have lots of questions for me to locate missing accessories or anything else they need to make a piece ready for sale. So I have confidence when I buy from them that I'm dealing with straight shooters.  And as to the whiners who complain that they were only offered $X amount on an outright sale--use the consignment system.  They'll put it on at the price you specify--as long as its reasonable within the current market limits.  OK, I know I sound like a shill, so I'll stop now.  But these guys are some of the most trustworthy I've run into in 40 years in audio, and 22 years on Audiogon.

I guess demand impatience etc... I have a few rolexes that once I stepped out AD were worth 25% at least more... Have a sub hulk cost 8k selling now at 25k... Now that is stupid. Makes me nearly nervous to wear it...

Maybe supply chain issues improve and things return to sensible 

I paid about $3K for a basic sub about 20 years ago that is supposedly with $12K. I don't wear it if I am going into Center City Philly if I am going to be walking outside for any length of time. Sad state of affairs....

The ridiculous price on the Decware has now dropped from $4500 to $3600 - still over priced. BTW, the ad claims that the bypass cap upgrade is $400, Decware site states $250. Best to know who you are dealing with

not sure what the belly-aching is about here

in our society a seller gets to ask for a price, wishful as it may be, the market of buyers set the price

see: san francisco bay area residential real estate market

in this case, tmr is just looking for one taker, don't think they have 50 of these in inventory ... in the high end sports car business, chinese and middle eastern princelings, trust fund babies with d-l’s regularly pay up for the hot-sh*t mobile, gt3 rs's, pistas... right here right now, all the time... just remember, folks with money, folks with sense, folks with taste... are usually not the same folks 😁

Suppy and demand, if someone is willing to fork over that much for a component, the power to them. If a good laugh, I just move along........

I agree: free market.

Buyer beware.  I know those Marantz receivers from the '70s are eye-candy and are commanding eye-catching prices... but even their newish little nr1200 sounds a lot better to my ears and has a lot more features including streaming, hdmi, optical, sub out w management, remote control, etc. etc.  So, although the 2238 was drool-inducing to look at and I did enjoy listening through it, after I compared the 2238 and the 1200 head to head, I was actually distressed to find how much better I liked the newer receiver; but... so, I sold my professionally recapped 2238, as much as I loved the look of it, to a willing buyer for $300 more than I paid for the nr1200 including tax, shipping, and a five year extension on the warranty... 

But check out what some people are asking and some people are paying for those 70's Marantz... don't get me wrong, they sound good and they are amazing tactile pieces and to look at, but... 

Apparently TMR is in the “profit” game.

Quit a revealing comment. Perish the thought that a business would like to make some money. Jesus Christ dude.

Look. TMR has a great website, a slew of employees, a brick-and-mortar store, a dedicated shipping department (whose thoroughness of packing is among the best I’ve experienced), and all kinds of other overhead. Despite that, I’d say that 80 percent of the time, TMR offers very good value on both new and used gear. Across easily half a dozen transactions over the past 18 months, they’ve treated me right every time — with courtesy and integrity.

Here’s an example: When I bought an older Krell amp from TMR that had a single non-functioning LED (this might have occurred in transit), TMR apologized and paid for me to ship it back for repair. Then they not only replaced the faulty LED but the other two as well. Why? Because, the head of service explained, they wanted the shade of blue of all LEDs to match exactly. From where I sit, that’s astounding customer service.

Oh, and when I shipped them a tube amp recently that they agreed to pay a fair price for, I included an extra set of tubes as part of the deal, and packed them in such a way that two of them unfortunately shattered. My fault! But TMR insisted on still paying me the agreed-upon price...despite my offering (twice) to be responsible for the damage.

Your complaint is puzzling and unseemly.

(BTW, I have no affiliation with TMR, other than being a satisfied customer.)

"Apparently TMR is in the “profit” game."

- Interesting concept for a successful business huh?

"I do like it’s website.  Pretty pictures.  Use it as a catalog and then find the product elsewhere."

- So, you are complaining about them making a profit, yet you are making use of their offerings for free? What a guy ...

Earning money what a concept. Running a profitable business that creates jobs, what a concept.

Hey, I am going to say that TMR is a class outfit, and my experience with them has been great.

BTW, try to buy a car lately? Used cars like a 2020 Civic are $10K more than they would have been prepandemic.

A scumbag is the guy that sells gallons of water for $10.00 in a hurricane zone. A guy that TRIES to sell an amp for a profit taking advantage of lack of supply not so much. Water is a need, an amp not hardly. If he gets the price he is asking, well, he had a good day. Regarding TMR, they pay for that advertising space. They can do what they want.

I think this is perfectly OK. In fact, it is an improvement over free markets in that people who want things fast will pay a premium(double?) for doing so, and people who are willing to wait will pay less. So if you are against adding the time coefficient to the price of an item then I suggest buying things on sale is also unethical under your definition. Besides being a collector of electronics I also collect watches and cameras. The Nikon Z9 is a hot item right now and is never in stock. If you want a new one you go on eBay and pay a 25% premium. Look at the prices of Rolex(too expensive and would never own) over the last two years. The black( secondary markets) are playing a much bigger role in our economy than people realize. Just look at the Sony PS5 turnout.

"A fair price is what the market will bear."

Don't want it bad enough to pay the price, don't buy it.  It's your choice, nobody is forcing you to pay a premium.

If I don’t like what’s on TV,I change the channel,or turn it off. I don’t ask that the broadcaster be shut down.  By the way,I don’t watch much TV.  

Profits are good for business but when the market is manipulated for the purpose of gauging people is another matter. Unfortunately the oil industry does this all the time. By decreasing supply, demand will increase thus driving up costs to the consumer. Think what would happen to the food supply if it were manipulated in this manner, just maybe this is already happening!

The government makes more money on a gallon of gas than the oil company ever dreamed of. And with zero risk or capital outlay. That's what I call gouging.

And as far as decreasing supply, no one is going to top Joe in that department.