recommendation for phono pre amp and mc cartridge, around 1000$ each

A bit over budget, but my Trumpet MC phonostage will work with any MC cart you end up selecting.

For $1000, I think you'll find the Nagaoka MP-500 will give any similar price MC a run for its money. And it allows you to have a greater selection of phono stages to choose from, since it works with an MM input.

Check out the entry level DS-Audio system. 

Effective mass is a quantity based on the distribution of the mass of the tonearm, from pivot to headshell.  The closer to the headshell you add mass, the greater the effect to increase effective mass.  So the most efficient place to add mass if you only want to increase effective mass is at or on the headshell. I am guessing that by wrapping the WT tonearm in plumber's tape you gained an additional sonic benefit related to damping or changing the resonant behavior of the tonearm.  As you wind the tape in toward the pivot, you are doing less and less to change effective mass. But I am no big fan of the WT tonearms.

aserejeje, You can get an approximation of the amount of signal current you can get out of a LOMC cartridge by simply dividing the signal voltage output by the internal resistance.  So you can see that the Denon DL103 is not a good candidate for current drive.  (Do the calculation for some other LOMCs, and you can see my point.) Yes, it's that 40 ohm internal resistance.

I have the TZ Vibe with the Denon DL 103 but I hear no different than when I use it with my Lounge Audio Copla. Is this because the DL 103 has an impedance of 40 ohm vs 14 like the DL 103R?

stretch your budget a touch and you will get into the $4000 level by buying value leaders in the $1000 range.

An Audio Technica AT ART9 cartridge competes well with $2K cartridges.

A Lehmann Black Cube SEii phono is a perfect match for the ART9 and also competes with $2K phono preamps.

A little dealing and you could have both for $ 2200 or so.  Well worth the slight stretch.  

donvito

i think that the last link is for the new version of WT .
anyway my arm effective length is 9" 
on the instruction papers i got with the original classic, and also with the upgrade it doesn't say nothing about it.
here in the photo is the upgraded version i have.
 

stone1,

Yes, that's the tape I used, and I wrapped the entire length. The counterweight I had would still balance the arm; if your arm is heavier you might need to use less tape, maybe wrap half. It's pretty easy to remove if you need to experiment.

How about this?

https://welltemperedlab.net/products/ltdtonearm/

question is what version  of arm they talking about, since the upgraded it on the late 90's, and that the one i have.
not sure but i think that the previous one was lighter,

 Here ya go!

The Well-Tempered Arm Specifications | Stereophile.com

armstrod
yes unfortunately the WT have azimuth control issues, along with other issues.
i guess i will also replace it sometime.
so just to sure i understood.
you wrapped around the full length of the arm that white plumbers Teflon tape? 
like this one?
 

thanks donvito looks like good instrument.
just wan to be sure, when you said "The mass of that arm is 10 grams" you meant to my well tempered arm?
i didn't have thin info.

stone1,

The 103R is a good all around performer that isn't really fussy about what arm you use, as long as it has enough effective mass. As stated above, it was mostly insensitive to the azimuth control issues of the WT arm, so it sounded very consistent from needle drop to last groove. I had better cartridges but they had stylus profiles that sounded better with rigid bearings. Also, my experience was high compliance cartridges didn't work well because even with the paddle mostly out of the silicone, the arm seemed over damped. That wasn't a problem with medium to low compliance carts.

The mass of that arm is 10 grams. With this chart you can find the capability of the cartridge that you decide to get! With a Japanese cartridge you will have to multiply the results by 1.7!

http://www.mh-audio.nl/Calculators/RF.html

thanks to all.
complicated dilemma.
will read some reviews for the recommended items 
i read good things about hana carts.
the question it how much it will match my arm.
armstrod
when you saying "My favorite cartridge (and I tried many) on my Well Tempered Record Player was the Denon 103R. "
can you detail a bit more?

it’s interesting and relevant to me.

stone1,

That's correct, I sold my WTRP years ago, although the 103R is still in my rotation of cartridges. I haven't heard anything about the E-Glo containing any noise reduction circuitry. Nothing I've read indicates that.

Hana makes great cartridges around your price range.  Musical Surroundings has some very quiet and flexible phono stages in your price range.  If you want to save some money and spend more on your cart, consider the Parks Puffin phono stage.  It's excellent for the price.

I have experienced the difference between high and low output MC cartridges switching from Hana MH to ML. ML seems to have more miniscule details in its sound reproduction. I am using QHW Vinyl phono stage, see M. Fremer's review, and I like very much what I am hearing. My choice of music is similar to yours. This combination is within your price range. Hope it helps.

audphile1
thanks, i'll check it too.
the thing is that i am trying to find the right match with my tt and arm

armstrod
you wrote "was the Denon 103R."
so right now you are not using the WT ?

i read that the E-Glo Petit have kind of noise reduction parts.

those reductions always worry me that they also reduct part of the music.

@stone1

I haven’t tried phono preamps in $1000 range (was in the $300-$500 range) other than my Sutherland KC Vibe MkII. Cartridge is Hana EL. I listen to the same styles of music as you do and this combo works great. You can go higher in the Hana line to ML I’m sure it would sound amazing. 

stone1,

Yes, my WT had the black carbon fiber arm. I used teflon plumbers tape for the arm wrap; if you do a little searching I know others have used different materials with success. It's pretty easy to apply if you take your time.

The E-Glo uses a FET front end and the tubes are the second gain stage. Under US$1000 would be the second hand price in the U.S., but I've seen them in other countries too. Here's a recent example:

https://www.2ememain.be/v/tv-hi-fi-video/tourne-disques/m1827696163-e-a-t-e-glo-petit

the E.A.T. E-GLO PETIT tubes are power/output tubes?

thank everyone for the tips.
armstrod
what is arm wrap ,and how do you get it?
i didn’t like so much wen tried adding mass at the head shell.
when you say:
"can be found just under $1000 if you’re patient"
you mean second hand online?
not everyone send to my country.
do you use the black arm which was an upgrade for the classic?

My favorite cartridge (and I tried many) on my Well Tempered Record Player was the Denon 103R. The conical stylus was a great match for the wandering azimuth of the WT arm. I added an arm wrap to raise the effective mass, which worked way better than adding mass at the head shell.

Back then I used a Jolida JD9 phono preamp which has more than enough gain and was well under $1000 even with all the mods I did along the way. I now use an E.A.T. E-Glo Petit which is better sounding in every way and has much easier gain/loading adjustments, and can be found just under $1000 if you're patient. There are a number of good phono preamps out there in that price range right now.

I’m using a Rega ANIA MC cartridge feed into an iFi phono2 on a Sony PS-X50 Deck and love it. And would be in your budget.

is there any advantage to a low output Mc compare to high, or mid?

With a transimpedance or current input phono stage such as Sutherland’s TZ Vibe, the lower output MC cartridges typically exhibit a lower internal coil generator impedance which benefits greatly to maximize current flow (music delivery). 

The jist of it is that less wire in the coil means lower output voltage but lighter mechanism hence more detail and faster response. Other factors notwithstanding

Does that mean that the HO no longer are tracking and staying in the grove then?

The jist of it is that less wire in the coil means lower output voltage but lighter mechanism hence more detail and faster response. Other factors notwithstanding. 

is there any advantage to a low output Mc compare to high, or mid?

Audio Technica AT33PTG/II with Sutherland TZ Vibe 🎶

Run with twisted pair cable terminated with RCAs is ideal even though the latest Locos use RCA inputs which even accept Rega wiring schemes.

I’m running an Audio Technica OC9XML into a Darlington Labs MP-7 with an SUT (all for under you budget) and it sounds sweet to my ears. You can probably go up to a Hana SL or even stretch up to an Art9.

Also waiting for DL’s new active/head amp, which just came out and looks very promising.

An alternative might be something like a SoundSmith MI cartridge in a higher output?

I did end up getting a new phono stage, but I was leaning towards the SoundSmith.

ifi also caught my eye.

for cartridge i'm throwing here several brands.
clear audio , van den hull , hana, audio technica , dynavector , 
think to go on mc with 0.4 1.0 mv output.