I did see an autoformer at the LA audio show from Anti Cables, very steep price at $540
for a pair, and you still need the L-pad to balance the output from the tweeter.
You do realize that you where the 2700th post 🎉 Amazing how this thread just goes on and
on and on and on..........🇸🇪
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Aren’t 4XO’s larger than 2.2000 as well? That + higher efficiency would
definitely make them different and probably more adept at bass in a
larger room with more amps.
The Walsh 2.2000 just never sounded that good; slightly muddy and lacking in detail. On Peter's rig, they sounded like different speakers - terrific. My 4XOs are a good match for my current low-budget system (B&K Reference 5 S2 preamp and Parasound 1500 amp). Plenty of clear bass, decent mid range and good high end for me, but I'm old and probably can't hear much above 12KHz or so. Rather than spend more money upgrading the electronics, I plan to just sell off the Walsh 2.2000 speakers to someone who has a better system than mine. |
It's the Energizer Bunny Effect. Â The Perfect Stone on the Perfect Mountain, obliterating all in it's path. *L*
As a DIY'er trying to make the 'perfect (IMHO) omni, I'm delighted...but it is my flavor of Kool Aid and may be a bit 'grainy'....
Carry On. Â If records are meant to break, let's have at it. ;) |
Hey Jerry I'm all jacked up on Norco's, but you got sum ting better,
 a substance of such powers that you can turn water to Kool Aid
 the loin of Venus, so smooth you can roll pasta to perfection. On her
.........loin lol
I better stop before I dig a very deep hole.......🇸🇪
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It's 5:45am and I have a Bosch binge hangover. Amazon do have some killer original programming.Â
So Im sitting there watching the plot unfold in Bosch's house.
Some tuneful music is perking up my ears, a slow pan over the
classic stereo with an old pioneer receiver, a tuntable and to my
surprise a pair of Ohm2 (I think). If you want to see it, check out
First season episode 3...
Have a great one..........🇸🇪
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Well, The sound cylinders are at last here and I though I would share my experience with you guys.
As some of you had mentioned, these speakers are indeed power hungry. I am cranking the Arcam receiver to about 60% volume to get good dynamic sound out of them for music and with movies I usually have to go to 65% volume to really get them singing. During explosion scenes my receiver clipped a few times but these speakers are definitely able to handle loud explosions.
Overall, I have to say the speakers are an absolute keeper. I have to agree with your findings about the sound stage, the sound presentation and best of all the fact that you can have them blasting for hours without getting ear fatigue and headache. I can’t say, I could do that with any of my other speakers. They are not the most handsome speakers out there but for the money they sound extremely pleasant. They are probably not for super analytical listeners who are looking for the slightest or the most minute details.
I ordered a pair of mono block Ncore 500 Class D amps to really give the Ohms some juice (Nord one SE up). I will give you guys more feedback when the new amp is added to the system.
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BE careful. The Ohm Walshes in particular tend to be pretty robust in my experience but amp clipping puts any speaker at risk of being damaged. I’d go easy until the new amps arrive.  I predict the new amps and OHMs may just blow you away (in a good way that is).
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Will do mapman! I am sure as the speakers and the new class D amp break in, the sound gets better and better. I just have to be patient. From what I have heard, both devices need extended break-in time.Â
After reading the comments about folks adding a super tweeter to their speakers, I was a little concerned that the top end of the Ohms is somewhat dull but It definitely is not the case.
Oh BTW, there is plenty of bass available with the 10" driver for me. I have no need or desire to add a sub. Even for HT duty, there is ample bass.
I think, these speakers are bottoming out at about 35-40Hz which is fine.
Not being able to go down to 20Hz is not a problem for me at all. Â |
Tweeters are angled 45 degree in with normal Ohm Walsh floorstanders and do not provide direct exposure with most listening locations by design.  Orienting to have the tweets more directly face  the listening position is not necessary imho but does brighten things up but also  has effect of narrowing soundstage.   Â
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Take a take a fleshlight shine it in through the grill/can and see were the
tweeter is, mark the orientation for future use.....
Simple.......🇸🇪
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Take a take a fleshlight shine it in through the grill/can and see were the tweeter is, mark the orientation for future use.....
Yes, I've heard that a Fleshlight can improve the tweeter orientation if used properly. I hadn't thought about marking it though. |
rodm_2001 - Congrats on the new arrivals! Unless your drivers are used, expect the speakers to change substantially as they break in. I don’t think mine were fully broken in until at least 6 months after I set them up.
As for positioning, the uneven triangle works for me, with the distance to the listening position being a little greater than the distance between the speakers. I have them ~2 feet from the side walls and ~3 feet from the wall behind them. I have a lot room, ~ 11 feet, behind my listening chair.
And while the Ohm Walsh x000 may not be the most hyper-detailed speaker I’ve heard, they are one of the most detailed sounding speakers I’ve heard that did not induce listener fatigue, at any price. So, the question is, do you want all the tiny details shoved in your face in a way that makes listening unpleasant for anything but a brief listen, or do you want to hear the bulk of all the details in a way that encourages long, enjoyable listening sessions?
And don’t ignore the cables! I just upgraded the ICs connecting my DAC to my pre, and it’s like I upgraded my speakers! Huge improvement, and I am digging my 2000s now more than I have in all the eight years I’ve had them. |
I have Triangle Titus monitors I use in my second system in addition to various OHMs. These are most "detailed" in teh higher frequencies in particular. They have limited bass response below 55hz or so and do their thing best only with certain high quality gear upstream. They are also reasonably efficient and compete best at low to moderate volume only.
As a whole I love the sound but there is a lot missing in the lower octaves that adds extra focus to what is there. Nobody will ever describe the sound of these as "warm". They image wonderfully and provide a nice clean detailed alternate window into the sound of the music.
Apples and oranges comparing such small monitors to much larger full range OHMs but relevant nonetheless I suppose.
I also have Dynaudio Contour 1.3 mkII monitors a tad larger than teh Triangles sitting idle currently. Those too have their unique charms including detail with just a touch of warmth. They are more like the OHMs in regards to amps they sound best with and have better bass extension than the Triangle Titus. They also tend to sound better at higher volumes than low. So which I use at any particular time all depends. The OHM Walshes hit all the marks overall best however no doubt for me.
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bondmanp,
I think you are absolutely right. We were listening to some piano playback and my wife (which is not into sound systems at all) came over from the adjacent room and said, I almost felt someone is playing the piano in here. I don't have as much freedom in placement as you do. Right now, I have them about 4 feet away from the side walls and close to 2 feet gap from the front wall (maybe a little less). They sound pretty good. The bass was a little boomy before running Dirac but, I fudged the frequency response curve and lowered the peaks around 50-100hz and it completely eliminated the boominess.
I am sure the new amplifier is going to make a big difference.
The nCore modules are rated at 400 watts into 8 ohms per channel (although not continues), I will keep you guys posted as the system is going through changes.
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Peter, DON"T use the fleshlight....;)
A Flashlight.....(too many Norcos....)
If you got Any illumination from the former....I'd advise against using it for it's...*ahem*....'normal illumination'...
(...audio people....damn, they'll try anything...Once....) |
I honestly wrote it just to see if anyone would have as dirty mind as IÂ
do and voila'. Busted within minutes.Â
The basic idea......you got it......right?
The question is should you pre-heat the flashlight for better
performance....🇸🇪 |
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IIRCF, I think all Ohm Walsh speakers have a sticker somewhere indicating the front of the speaker, the cylinders should, too, I think. |
On the cylinders the Ohm logo is placed where the tweeter is located. |
*Looking @ Peter, somewhat askance...*
Well, 'one', yes...warm, not hot....
The 'other', the 'more typical' version...batteries do 'funny stuff' when heated and insertion not recommended...;)
..but whatever boats your float.... |
Hehe...
It was a joke....REALLY boys.
Something about the 5th.....🇸🇪 |
I have been watching the "Bosch" series on Amazon Prime and his speakers look like Ohms. Not sure what turntable he uses. |
Marantz...
No fake news here.....🇸🇪
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Ladies and Gentlemen..
I didn't go anywhere, but between what the Dr. seem to think is a
bad case of carpal tunnel syndrome, and hotter than Hades here in
SoCal, nothing has happened since last time I posted on these pages.
I spoke to the sales department at ESS and they invited me in for some listening with my own CD's. If the ESS driver sounds as good as most people  think it does, I most likely pull the CC out and make it official...
Anyway I cross my finger for some cooler weather as it's a total pain to work in 90 degree plus weather shop.
Stay cool my friends........🇸🇪
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That review brings my back over a decade to early 2005 when i first broke in a pair of microtalls. Still using the same set of speakers. Always considered upgrading to larger models but haven’t had the space or the desire to box and send them from the west coast. Maybe just get new cans, idk still love these version one models. |
Hey Mapman...
I rarely get queasy watching a video but that porn view of the system did me in lol
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Hi Guys,
I have had my Ohm super sound cylinder for over 6 weeks now. I ended up purchasing a Nord One up class D amplifier to provide it with some more juice. The Arcam SR-250 receiver did an OK job but now I can tell the extra power helps tighten up the bass. Overall, I am very happy with my purchase. Thanks to everyone that helped me with making my decision. As you guys know, these speakers can get pretty loud. I was very impressed at how loud they can get without getting distorted or sound compressed. As for the bass, I am more than happy with the amount of base I am getting. I gave up my 10" powered subwoofer and have no regrets at all. Â Â |
rodm-2001 - Glad to hear your experience mirrors those of myself and other Ohm owners. Not really a surprise, though. Just remember, every change you make upstream will make itself known when you listen through the Sound Cylinders. And remember, your Ohms are still probably not fully broken in, although they are probably 2/3 to 3/4 of the way there. It will get even better, I bet. |
Well, knock me over with a feather. I have been running my 2000s with a pair of Vandersteen 2Wq subs and M5-HP crossovers for a few years now, and loving it all. But Monday night, my amp messed the bed. So, I had to disconnect the speakers and subs, and run the 2000s directly off the amps in my cheap Pioneer AVR (VSX-1120K), with no subs. Figuring I should skip any serious stereo music listening and stick to background music and films, I put on the EDM channel on FiOS while I checked my email. Wouldn’t you know it! While the bass was not as powerful as with the subs, some of the EDM has really deep synth bass, but the visceral low bass was all there with the 2000s being run full range. It was really clean and well defined, too. Really amazing for a speaker of this size and price, especially with mediocre source gear and compressed audio.  It was good enough to make me look up from my email checking a few times and turn up the volume. I may have to repair or replace my amp, but the Ohms definitely stay! |
Audio can be f*****g weird. I’ve got "world-class" tube gear and have been powering the Micro Talls with that. Until tonight- I hooked ’em up to a rather modest Onkyo home theater receiver, and damn, they sound better! Much better. Go figure.
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Apologies to all for my last post. The Onkyo was merely "different" and not at all "better." I should know better, damn it. Sorry.
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I've had my Ohm cylinders for a little over 4 months now and wanted to share my thoughts with folks that already have Ohm speakers and those who may be interested in purchasing Ohm speakers.
I use the Dirac room correction software that comes with my pre-amp (receiver).
In my opinion, the room correction does wonders for Ohm speakers. Depending on the geometry of the listening room and placement of the Ohms in respect to the surrounding walls, the Ohms can sound a bit boomy, the room correction really cleans up and tightens the bass. On the high frequencies, the Ohm speakers are also a bit soft. When I looked at the frequency response curve, there is a clear drop beyond 10Khz, which I bumped up a little in Dirac. I have compared the equalized vs direct signal on multiple occasions and the difference is very noticeable. The bass gets much much cleaner and the high frequencies also get "brighter". Overall, I would not want to use them as studio monitors but the Ohms certainly have a lot of good attributes. The soundstage and imaging of these speakers are flat out amazing. you can listen to very broad range of music genres with these speakers and it does an admirable job. In my opinion, these speakers really shine when you listen to live music recordings. A little bit of bass management and bump in the higher frequencies go a long way to make these speakers an absolute blast. I would also like to mention that I am by no means a seasoned veteran in audio gear critique. In total, I have had 7 pairs of speakers and the Ohms would definitely be my favorites so far.  |
rodm - innteresting. Your post made me realize that when I hooked my 2000s up to that Pioneer AVR, I was using the Pioneer’s MCACC, Pioneer’s fairly effective room correction software. I normally do not have the Pioneer in the 2-channel chain, so stereo music listening is done without room correction. Hmm. You know, until this month, my system has been pretty much the same since 2011. Looks like some changes may be coming, provided I can find the funds. |
bondmanp, If you don't have an ideal room geometry and you can't have a wide gap between the speakers and the front walls,
the room correction definitely helps in cleaning up the lower frequencies. Most audio gurus don't recommend room correction for higher frequencies but in my personal experience with the Ohms, the boost in the higher frequencies is a welcome change.Â
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rodm_2001 - Thanks. I actually prefer a gradual roll-off of the high frequencies. The 2000s do in fact fit that bill. In fact, a recent cable upgrade has made the 2000s brighter, alsmost too bright. A borderline situation. I do have a decent amount of room behind the speakers, and a little less on the sides. Also, my ceiling is only 6' tall. And my low frequencies are surprisingly smooth and extended without any EQ, thanks to a pair of subs in the front corners that were designed(!) to go in the corners. When I get my amplifier back, I will revisit all of this. |
Nice used pair of microwalsh speakers in Joseph audio room at cap aud fest today. For $500. I’m tempted. Jos audio again one of the best sounding small rooms at the show.  Other show specials there as well including a nice pair of used Bel Canto ref500 amps.  |
Map - Did you buy them? I saw a nice pair on ebay recently with starting bid at $900. I bought a somewhat beat-up pair of MW Talls a few years back for $375 - Audiogon seller in Brooklyn, so i picked them up myself. They are my surround speakers. But $500 for a minty pair is a deal.
Agreed - Joseph Audio makes some great speakers, which you can appreciate if he is not blasting them at 120 dB, as he often does. |
No. I was very tempted but had no real need what with two larger pair already.
I did buy a Chord Mojo portable DAC and a nice aluminum 45 record adapter and some music.
Also I got to hear German Physiks for the first time. Those are speakers I could live with but very pricey. The sound was spot on in every way running off Merrill Class D amps. They had a prime spot in a somewhat larger room that was right off the atrium. They have a new US distributor located in North Jersey so perhaps they will start to make a bigger showing here now.
I also heard Tekton for the first time. Double Impacts I think., I liked those very much as well. 10 watt tube amp had them playing nicely in a smaller hotel room. These could be the ticket for someone with a lower powered amp that wants more sound for the dollar. Not a lot of WAF appeal though. I found the sound very engaging. MEAT ON THE BONES which so many smaller setups often lack and perhaps just a nice smidgeon of warmth. Only problem with these larger speakers in the smaller room was I could hear location of individual drivers though the overall soundstage and imaging was quite good.
The Vanadoo powered speakers sounded very good for their size and represented a very good value. Also had a nice discounted show price as did Benchmark again this year (10% off)
In all most rooms had good sound. Class D and tube amps were often the culprits and hard to distinguish without looking. One or two rooms perhaps that I thought clearly under performed.
I still say these shows need to promote more of a range of gear at various price points to draw more people. The vast majority of gear was very pricey still well beyond what most normal people would consider. Lots of good sound but I found myself often questioning the value proposition. Very nice show for an audiophile in any case.
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How do you like the Mojo? I have been pondering buying an ifi Black Label DSD DAC, for home use, not portable. This is a a direct competitor to the Chord.
I really like the German Physiks. That dealer/distributor is Larry Borden's Distinctive Stereo, a home-based dealer in River Vale, NJ. I have been there with my audio club and heard the GP speakers. Very impressive, and Larry, a former reviewer, knows how to set up speakers. He is also a really nice guy. The New Jersey Audio Society is meeting there again in January. Let me know if you would like particulars. You can see his very large demo room, and meet some of the crankiest, funniest audiophiles in the country! Merrill of Merrill Audio is also a member of our group, and attends many of our meetings.
+1 on the Vanatoos. I heard them a couple of years ago, and decided if I ever need a pair of compact, powered speakers, they're it.
I think I am going to try to go to the CAF next year. I have a brother in MD who would probably join me. |
The Mojo sucks me in and makes me smile every time.  Have only used with headphones so far. Seems to bring out the best in most everything. Will try in my main system soon.  |
Thanks for your thoughts, Mapman. BTW, interesting story behind the German Physiks: The designer of the Dicks Dipole Driver specifically set out to design a Walsh driver without the cost constraints that Ohm works under. IOW, a no-holds-barred Walsh bending wave design. The results speak for themselves. The entry level German Physiks lists for ~$14,000, so if you can find a demo or used pair, they might be affordable. On the GP web site, there is a DDD driver unit for sale without a bass driver or cabinet, that you pair with a woofer/subwoofer. Someone better at this stuff than I might be able to save a few bucks with that.
All that said, I remain thrilled with my Ohm Walsh 2000s. At least I will be when my amp gets back from the repair shop. |
My wife and I had dinner at the Hilton Friday night after arriving in Rockville. Afterwards we walked through the quiet Atrium checking things out (show had been over that day for a few hours) and a gentleman with The Audio Company greeted us and offered a private listen to the "Million Dollar" VAC Von Schweikert system in their feature room off the Atrium. We of course took him up on it and got the private screening. Needless to say it sounded great and my wife and I were very impressed. The rep was very gracious! My wife was ready to write the check!
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John Strohbeen and associates made a great showing at the New York Audio Show over this past weekend. They had a pair of 2000s (the ones I have owned since 2009), powered by an Outlaw Audio 2160 receiver, fed by an older Oppo universal player and a Blue Sound Node 2. The speakers were heavily toed-in due to the bright nature of the room. The sound was excellent, rivalling many more expensive rooms at the show. There were a lot of show-goers who sat quietly(!) for extended listening, and one guy who went through a whole bunch of CDs he'd brought along. People were clearly impressed by the wall of sound, extention at both ends of the frequency range, and excellent detail retreival coming from the diminutive 2000s. Just to compare, one system which I admit I did prefer to the Ohm system was the Electrocompaniet system (a brand I have always admired), which was easily north of $50,000, probably north of $75,000. But the 2000s gave about 80% of what the Electrocompaniet system did, at a total cost (excluding wires) of about $4500. Fantastic! I hope Ohm gets some good press out of this. I saw at least one audio journalist there, Steve Guttenberg, so, let's hope. |
I've read some similar positive comments on the OHM setup at the NY show on some other recent threads here.
Yes I have always liked Electrocompaniet gear that I have heard.  My phono step up transformer is an older Electrocompaniet unit that my dealer sold me used for a good price to help mate my Denon DL103R cart to my ARC sp16 pre-amp when I bought that from him.
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Bondman,
I can't believe you're talking about an audiophile haven in River Vale, NJ!! I grew up in River Vale, a little more than a stone's throw from the NY State border. It's so small; it's almost never mentioned anywhere. Even people from other towns nearby often didn't know about it. Too bad I have no one left there now to visit. I'd love to hear those German Physiks! That's the closest I'd likely ever get to them.
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peterr53,
How's your DIY Walsh/omni speaker project going? Any changes, advances, or innovations? I've got a set Ohm Walsh 2XO cans in great shape that I thought I'd be able to find an old set of cabinets on which to mount them. After a couple years of looking and posting WTB (want to buy) notices, it appears that isn't going to happen. Hence, I'm really curious about your cabinet and crossover ideas.
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Sorry for the silence, but I’ve been working, making mulla. So theÂ
build got put on hold for a while....
I will let everyone know when I’m back in the saddle, meanwhileÂ
Merry Christmas and good Holidays....
Looking forward to some Swedish Gravlax hmmmmm 🇸🇪 |
Thanks, peterr53. I was beginning to worry about you!Â
Merry Christmas, Happy Chanuka, and Happy New Year to all. |
