Interesting.
Nietzsche and Runaway Audio Consumption
Came across this today. A lot of posts bring up the issue of "how much is enough?" or "when is audio consumption justified" etc.
Does this Nietzsche aphorism apply to audio buying? You be the judge!
Friedrich Nietzsche: “Danger in riches. — Only he who has spirit ought to have possessions: otherwise possessions are a public danger. For the possessor who does not know how to make use of the free time which his possessions could purchase him will always continue to strive after possessions: this striving will constitute his entertainment, his strategy in his war against boredom.
Thus in the end the moderate possessions that would suffice the man of spirit are transformed into actual riches – riches which are in fact the glittering product of spiritual dependence and poverty. They only appear quite different from what their wretched origin would lead one to expect because they are able to mask themselves with art and culture: for they are, of course, able to purchase masks. By this means they arouse envy in the poorer and the uncultivated – who at bottom are envying culture and fail to recognize the masks as masks – and gradually prepare a social revolution: for gilded vulgarity and histrionic self-inflation in a supposed ‘enjoyment of culture’ instil into the latter the idea ‘it is only a matter of money’ – whereas, while it is to some extent a matter of money, it is much more a matter of spirit.”
Nietzsche, Friedrich. 1996. Human, All Too Human: A Book for Free Spirits. Cambridge University Press. (p. 283-4, an aphorism no. 310)
I'm pretty sure @mahgister will want to read this one! (Because they speak so artfully about avoiding the diversion that consumption poses to the quest for true aesthetic and acoustic excellence.)
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To answer your post, it is now well accepted historically that the ancient mysteries schools around the mediterranean sea, for example at Eleusis, used probably different methods, like isolation, incubation, method of asphyxiation, tainted beer or wine with hallucigenic natural product and not so much to create pleasurable experience like in the hippies era but for a sacred very serious methodically planned OUT OF BODY and NEAR DEATH experience or induced coma like trance for direct spiritual transformation
Spiritual experiences are non propositional real experience which are undescribeable , transcending usual discourse... Religions are based on original experience which were denatured or forgotten or reduced to propositional dogmas oblivious of the spiritual original event...
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It seems contrary to some who criticized me about beiing monologous that many people asked questions for me and i discussed... My posts are numerous and lenghty yes... Is there no content in it? who will dare to claim that to my face? Small people easily are jealous and spit instead of discussing...Some spit politely like the OP who never discuss any of my posts and some other who never discuss them spitted way less politely..
Thanks to the many others who make me feel less alone in Christmast...
«When the head cannot work anymore or dont want it, the mouth spit»- Fictive invented maxim from unknown native american origin |
The OP wisely linked a N. quote about spirit and consumerism in audio...Then think about what you just wrote...SPIRIT/ CONSUMERISM/ AUDIO this was the matter of the thread not audio ONLY... Then you just lied or you are slow brain .... All my posts were by me directly related to the essential experience of the relation of sound/music and acoustic and psycho-acoustic and to some seemingly unrelated aspects of reality and history which are nonetheless anyway related to the human experience of music and of spirit .... All fields of human experience are related...Consumerism for example is not born in America, his roots are deep into history...Mandeville which i spoke about is one of this root... Calling my posts spam is insulting ....Your non constructive posts adding nothing in information content maybe more spam than my commentaries with CONTENT to the complex topic of Spirit/consumerism/audio... i dont hope that you will understand... You have never added here any original concept in audio, unlike me, and most of your post are negative one against someone with no conceptual content...You miss arguing against geoffkait? And you call my posts spam... Ridiculous dont kill ....
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You shouldn’t get insulted if someone sees things a bit differently than you do. Just take it for whatever it’s worth. Constructive criticism is exactly that. It’s always better to stay on point. Of course it’s a free forum so one can post whatever they want. My value added on this topic is I think uncontrolled consumption is never a good thing in the end. Nor is uncontrolled anything pretty much. The ability to control our impulses is something that should serve to distinguish us as a higher species compared to other more primitive species. |
You are right about this...i shouldnt be insulted...But some negative people here crash my christmast because my posts are too LONG... I am then a bit sensitive.. i have another idea about friendshp...
Thanks for your polite reply to my rude post... But do you think that your 3 words opinion is enough reason to call my posts spam and the last words on this complex subject? i think not... Calling this constructive criticism is an euphemism to say the least...I take it personal because of the context... Anyway i thank you for your controlled reaction... You had a quality i dont mastered well , it is true: coolness... My best to you...
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It is true....I recognize it... And these unsolicited posts on the 25 december without anyone with me here were adressed to alleged friends and were not delirium but interesting discoveries i made about some aspect of reality related or less well related to this thread... Recognize it also....Some people write to me and liked them and i even discussed with few of them... I wish you the best... I will try to imitate your cool attitude... By the way i was injust with you, you contributed with poems very well written....I will never call that spam, no more than a link to an interesting thinker...
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@mahgister I personally find your posts here very interesting and well informed and I actually learn a lot of new things about philosophers and such. I suspect many others do as well. I do think you could do better to stay on topic though. We all have things we can improve on. That is merely my suggestion to you. I say it in an honest attempt to help you be more effective. We should always encourage polite conversation however concise conversation that is on point is always more effective, persuasive, etc. I would not offer feedback in an attempt to help you be more effective were I not fond of the ideas you profess. Well except when things start steering towards conspiracy theories perhaps. We are all imperfect in many ways. The road to improvement often involves accepting and acting on constructive criticism. It is a gift on can give another with only the best intentions. Anyhow, now I am off topic and may get flagged as spam so enough of that. Carry on! |
As much as people deride Nietzsche, wow -- what energy he generates. If I want a short thread that dies quickly, I'll go with Kant or Aquinas! In fact, I think Nietzsche is better than even Chomsky for generating light and heat. Then again, there's Benjamin...he could light things up! Viz., "capitalism is a purely cultic religion, perhaps the most extreme that ever existed….Capitalism is the celebration of the cult [without dream or mercy]…each day commands the utter fealty of each worshipper….entirely without precedent, in that it is a religion which offers not the reform of existence but its complete destruction. It is the expansion of despair, until despair becomes a religious state of the world in the hope that this will lead to salvation. God’s transcendence is at an end. But he is not dead; he has been incorporated into human existence. This passage of the planet “Human” through the house of despair in the absolute loneliness of his trajectory is the ethos that Nietzsche defined. This man is the superman, the first to recognize the religion of capitalism and begin to bring it to fulfillment." [Capitalism as Religion (Benjamin, 1921)] But let's not attack all our gods at once! Ignorance is bliss, amirite? ;-) |
Great post! Benjamin is spot on even when he is slightly wrong like N. he points to some truth, because there is no lies in a "sismograph" indicating the tremors agitating mankind...B. and N. are disguised angels on a mission to awake mankind... These spirits are treasure to meditate, hard to read and easy to contempt like someone contempting a tool he cannot use or would never dare to try to understand... if we read this Benjamin quote to the letter , this quote is true to the letter, the only piece who lack to understand B. about N. is the unrecognized "possessed" in a way "daemonic" genius of Bernard Mandeville who before N. himself generated in advance the essential tools and deep methods of mass controls and manipulation and foundation of the Capitalist and Marxism cult to come...Others will refine them... Hitler was more a german idiosyncrasy of the German defeat created by Banks With Versailles treaty and the full capitalist backing of the Monster in spite of his disgusting racism... Thanks for this great thread indeed at least for me et few others...
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Another deep aspect of the B. quote :"God’s transcendence is at an end. But he is not dead; he has been incorporated into human existence." is very deep.. Man is double, a polarity , like his heart is a beating polarity in his dynamic and geometry... We are eternal consciousness without a limited "ego", a spirit and at the same times, we are a limited ego... Sound/music for me is an expression in the limited world of the Plenum or pleroma of souls singing which is the pure meaning of music itself manifested in Bach or in any other musical experience playback or playing ...Remember that music is not reducible to physical sound....No more than meaning is reducible to spoken words or written one... Then the soul/body polarity and the ego/spirit polarity or the sound/music are all expression flowing from one eternal source on earth and other cosmos kingdoms... A finite object exist seemingly on one level of the scale, it is why we claim it is finite...But infinite being or spirit lived on at least 2 levels at the same time...Any finite object is the emerged tip of an hidden "iceberg" manifesting an another dimension anyway.... If everything exist all in the same level or dimension or "bag" so to speak, everything is meaningless. Structure imply design and design cannot exist without 2 levels of reality... There is a clue about the apparent noise in the world and an hidden order manifesting through it...I posted an article from a doctorate thesis about the "fractal notion of the Brownian noise"... It is readable without too much mathematics but those mathematically inclined may look at the thesis attached to the article.... I am the first to read Mandelbrot, unknown completely when he publish his first book in french in 1975 when it arrived the first day from France in quebec city... This is a book who changed my intellectual landscape...I am very proud of that and i apologize for my pride... 😁😊 |
We are betwwen christmast and the new year... I want to give hope... Look at this documentary who described a miracle in world war one... I am suprized that no one look at the documented story of Bruno Groening i posted... Which is so extraordinary story... I apologize for my long and 3 last posts...
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Just a remark about polarity... If you wanted a mathematical clue about the existence of at least these two levels of existence for any being, look at the mathematical intuition in "Topos theory" explained by Alexander Grothendieck himself in his writing when he revolutionized, category theory and algebric geometry at the same times.. In the simplest possible way of speaking a "point" is no more a point object in space but a category which hide also an entire cosmos.... Grothendieck was a deep mystic like Ramanujan and the two are almost "extraterrestrial " geniuses like the young Sidis or Archimedes...It humble us all... We can also read the "Correspondance treatise" of Swedenborg who influenced deeply the 19 century for ALL genius in ALL countries, they all read him, it is easy to demonstrate it...Swedenborg described precisely the relation between 2 levels of reality, the terrestrial and the spiritual in his own way and with the knowledge of his time... But his model is holographic and fractal way before these concepts were officially created in modern times if we read between the lines of his work... Swedenborg I..Q. is not a small number...Amazing... An anecdote: he was a seer and know the future, he travelled each years from Sweden to Holland for publishing reason , and enjoyed unlike Balzac but with him for this one, only ONE vice: coffee chain drinking all day long...The 2 or 3 captains that travelled with him yearly discovered that the number of days taken by the boat to reach destination were easy to predict if they spot the amount of coffee the seer was keeping for the travel at sea... The story is in the most interesting bio about Swedenborg....i studied it in my younger years...i hope you will enjoy the anecdote...I hope because my post are damned if not... 😁😊 At the question what is death? The stuttering genius who spoke latin wrote in latin: "the reversal of the internal and of the external"....I will not explain it here, my goal is to comminucate to you the most elegant and concise and deep description of death in 3 words... Amazing? no ?
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20 years ago interview of an enlightened scientist whose worst fears are coming true in the world....
Interview, Richard Strohman, PhD. ’What seems to be is, to those to whom it seems to be and is productive of the most dreadful consequences to those to whom it seems to be.’ If we think that the world of organisms is a world of machines, we will begin to treat each other as machines. That is the huge danger of this whole mechanistic model of organisms. That’s this terrible nightmare coming true.
Great article. The relentless intrusion of the corporate world into the scientific one is one there doesn't seem to be any protection against. It's appalling to think that global leaders are now reduced to acting as sales reps for big pharma.
Let's not also forget that the most important drug by far far away, penecillin, was discovered by accident. Most of the people alive today, wouldn't be, without it. The other great drug, anadin or its various anti-inflammatory counterparts has also been known for centuries.
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I will made an another apology to all for my posts here telling a story.... One day a french doctor who was a devoted christian but was interested in Zen and in martial art visited not long after the second world war a monastery of Zen Buddhism directed by a great master... The young french doctor speaking about the christian virtues of charity and explaining why he was interested by zen and martial art but will never convert to Buddhism because love and charity is for him the essential above anything was very surprized when the monk reply: "you are totally right and i do not recommend that you change the great teaching of Christ for the Buddha, but the most important virtue is humility, because if you give rice to someone by force and not waiting humbly for his hand to open itself the rice will fall on the dust and will be lost"... i read that and i was stunned and discover immediately that i lack humility and in this thread i did it again putting posts without waiting for any question... it seems old ape are tough to reform... Happy new year to all.... |
Thanks i am very happy that you had like my article post... Egoistically to save my posts frenzy from delirium crisis hypothesis by some, and because almost no one seems to be interested in thinking here save a few ... Like in the audio hobby they buy ideology and upgrade BEFORE thinking and studying acoustic....N. was right....I like very much the OP use of N. lucidity... Without the OP no discussion about spirit/ music/ consumerism and others "miracles" and "conspiracy" or mass manipulation would have been possible in audiogon...Thanks to him.... And in this crisis times we must think together... Not one against the other....
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Music is a 2 way power... Something that put all of us on a "spell"...A mass hypnosis tool... A deceptive rapture of our mind and soul...music is a tool for control in all armies and publicities of the world for example... But music is also a tool to heal us like any drug who comes from a poison or could be one if dose is not right, is designed to be a bliss and a "rapture" in heaven or toward spirit like in native people or religious ceremony... Or like used in therapeutic...Or written to elevate the brain OUT of itself like in Bach...
Money also is born like any poison, a destructive agent, but also a "pharmakon" a possible remedy... Spin doctors, "eminence grise" plays on these two modalities for music like for money... Fritz Lang probably never read Bernard Mandeville, but his Dr. Mabuse is a perfect allegory between the "nevrosis" of those under a spell and the "perversion" coming from those who look for controls...Like in Mandeville Hive allegory... Art may be more powerful than Science...I repeat: Art MAY BE more powerful than science... Because science is divided in many fields, and each fiels is divided in an indefinite number of skills and specialities...No scientist can create a synthesis , the price to pay is loosing his scientist status...The artist could and must, true art is always a SYMBOLIC SYNTHESIS, never only an entertainment or a provocation... Knowledge is not science, science is not technology... Art may integrate knowledge, science and technology sometimes revealing some aspects of their possible integration or contradictions.. Like a philosophy inspired by spirit can do it...Like some man also driven by a spiritual quest....like a scientis who is also an artist and a spiritual man... A Swiss economist wrote a book about the relation between money and economy inspired by the Goethe Faust for example... N. was right speaking of the spirit and the weight and unrecognized burden of the material possessions, but for N. what he call the owner of spirit MUST be read in these 2 way manner: the owner of the spirit could the master who control himself first but the master mind who can " fall" into the role of leading the mass with the deceptive offer of marketting illusions, with money, with a "spin" mass art who will put people to sleepwalking...These 2 way to understand N. put N. himself in an impossible doublebind situation at the end... Religion is not the only opium, money is another one...N. seeing all the hypocrisy of religion putting man on a sleep and reading Darwin, thought that a man is free only when he liberate himself alone over his apeness : the ubermensch...But this freeing by oneself alone is also an illusion explained in Buddhism and in Christianity alike...Schopenhauer never FORGOT that lesson contrary to his disciple Nietszche... N. after all was himself a genius under a spell.... Doistoievsky never was... Nor Goethe....
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Dr.Mabuse film reminding us of the mass hysteria climate at the dawn of the second world war , just after the first war, is not only a great piece of cinema but an occasion to think about the factors which related our own crisis to this crisis at the beginning of the last century... Mass hysteria and crowds psychosis in Germany is related to the media controls, the fear and anxieties growing diffusion, the lost of any rationality, the division of the population in 2 new groups among all others divisions, the pervert use of the emissary goat process by some "elite in control", and the creation of an "artiicial" consensus in the population to be controlled, and with that the suspension of any democratic process.. I am flabbergasted by history....By psychological science , by the minority of people in a spiritual resistance... I wish for the world a new better year than the last 2... There is no death, save the lost of thinking and the lost of hope because of fear..
What about consumerism? It will be no more the tool for controlling the mass peacefuly, hidden totalitarian dictatorship is the only way our "elite" sees a future... Those who own something and are possessed by what they own, without this free spirit about which spoke N. will the first to be crushed...It is time to be free, listening music with the bare essentials, to cure ourself not to go in an artificial hiding from reality... Music is a poison or a cure.... To all i wish the best from my heart for this year....
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"I am flabbergasted by history....By psychological science , by the minority of people in a spiritual resistance..."
Well, some people do say that history has a way of repeating itself. Perhaps not surprising given that human needs and desires remain the same as they always did. Mind you, only some people say that. The majority seem to be blissfully unaware of any history other than that portrayed by the Hollywood propaganda department. If you can accept the Feynman theory of learning ie focus, understanding, being able to recall and then to explain to others, then you can see where the problem might lie. Just how many fall at this first hurdle?
Media driven fear porn addiction seems to robbed far too many of their ability to even focus, let alone do any of the rest. Voting patterns have long established just how show the collective memory can be. The human mind is a great thing, no doubt. Unfortunately it doesn't come with any kind of user manual. Basically most of the major wars since 1815 have been bankers wars, and yet... Not a single movie has dared to depict them as such. A similar fate awaits the end of the Plandemic. The lovely Dr Fauci has already hinted that another p(l)andemic is likely. And still, even after a global disaster no one asks why we need we need so many of these highly dangerous BSL-4 labs. Of course, we shouldn't worry. We can trust big pharma. They would never ever deliberately release deadly viruses just for the sake of profit, would they? Of course not! The owners of big pharma are totally above human vices and greed, aren't they? |
I will add something to Feynman because focusing on a problem or on a question could be damaging by itself in some case.. Focusing and AT THE SAME TIME learning how to not focusing, but giving the problem to a part of our mind and going on on some other related or not related questions and field is very important in philosophy...Anyway philosophy is by definition multidisciplinary... Poetic and even astrology or mathematics can be philosophical tools and concern or any other fields ... For sure if like Andrew Wyles you want to solve a mathematical problem, you must focus on it only non stop for 7 years to do so... Or if you must solve some a precise physic problem like Feyman related to an Apollo rocket mistake engineering piece, you must focus non stop for some days.. But philosophy is not mathematics nor engineering... Problems are not enigma to be solved but deep mysteries to be cautiously and indirectly approached with reverence and deep devotion... Problems here cannot be "solved" they can only be described in a new perspective for a new consciousness... Goethe method in his natural science morphological observation deeply pointed to the fact that solutions and problems are interrelated perceived individual and at the same time universal "symbolic forms" like a particular undulated line drawn on a sheet of paper will be very differently perceived and described , by a monk, a painter, a shaman, a musician, a geometer, a mariner thinking about waves, or an alchemist, or by a physicist specialized in Fourier analysis, or by a meteorologist describing the sky.... There is no form without meaning and there is no meaning without form.... The formless is itself a "form"....And any form speak from the formless... Then going back to your observation : most people are unable to focus consciously, and much more unable to learn how to not focus consciously and mastering the art of attention... Attention imply 2 levels polarity : the foci, and the periphereal....
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History never repeat itself like in a circle, but repeat itself like on an helicoidal cycle.. The same and not the same .... The "Great Year cycle" in traditional astronomy, is a perfect illustration of that...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Year
Thinking that events in the universe and on Earth were completely unrelated and did never affect one another is now scientifically ridiculous... Guess what happened when mankind detonated thermonuclear weapon in the sky ? Guess what happen to our sun crossing different parts of the galaxy and "coughing" toward Earth ?
There exist proven scientific facts, but also science give us way more than numerous small proven facts, science give to each ERA his own abilty to imagine new rational and possible perspectives even if these perspective cannot be strictly proven to exist... Darwin never strictly proved that man descend from the ape, he gives us a rational relation and new perspective by pointing to ape and man in an environmental context....... Basic human needs dont change but they express themselves in new ways through all evolution and through all history....These transformation of their expression is history... When Cesar decided coming back from his Gallic wars to cross the Rubicon river WITH HIS ARMY it was a SYMBOLIC gesture of rebellion against the Rome republic, which expressed a basic need for total freedom but in a new context... Semiotic teach us that symbols are real like a tree is real for consciousness...Rubicon is not just a mass of flowing water....
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Like i already said, Bernard Mandeville the master mind behind liberal capitalism, not Adam Smith who plagiarize it, is the redactor of the manual of mass control, which would make Machiavel a children... I read Machiavel also by the way... It is a children compared to Mandeville... Now the bankers behind capital controls always DECIDED which will receive capitals and for what....It is not complotism doctrine but only a human fact about greed... Is it not simple? By the way Dr. Mabuse film precisely described the manipulation behind financial speculation and wars in the first thirty minutes...No Hollywood movie describe it better than he already did one century after it....
A war unplanned with no money never existed save in victimized country or people... By the way between conditioned sleepwalking mass and their masters, there is no "controls" there is not much a "plot" but a SIMILAR make up of the mind by the endoctrinated mass and those who endoctrinated them.. The difference between Hitler, Stalin, Rockfeller, Pierpont-Morgan etc and any power man and the ordinary people, is that the Hitler, Stalin, Rockfeller, Pierpont-Morgan BELIEVE more in their ideology that even the people who are conditioned by them... The mindframe of Stalin is even Narrower that any communist leader under him and narrower than any russians, WHY ? Because their narrow mind reflect their total focus on only ONE target : control...They concentrated focus of attention is the only reason of their power... Then Stalin , Hitler or any powerful man are the FIRST VICTIM of their ideology... There is much less of a complotism here in history than a complete closure of the mind and a narrowing of the attention... Are Hitler, Stalin, Rockfeller, Pierpont-Morgan, or any other man of power reflect that they are only EVIL and mostly evil ? Not at all, in many cases , they are sleepwalking more deeply in their sleep than even the mass of the people they indoctrinated in their beliefs about states, capitalism or any other ideology.... Murderers are evil for sure but i spoke here about the power perspective...
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Now a clue about "spirit" perception and consumerism....
The spirit for me integrate all the universe without being part of the universe... How do i feel it ? Listening music/sound unity, without bothering anymore with the gear, i must listen to my own body/brain/soul, how? By hearing with the moving parts of the music the "moving" reactive parts of my body/brain/ soul through the HEART movement and the respiration cycles... Then i could become conscious of the way music affect me and this new sensibility will introduce me through this musical meditation to the influence of the solar system action in my own body/soul/heart movement... I will sense something that manifect to me and did not come from the music powerful moves but affect it by the diurnal cycle and even by the way the successions of days and weeks change my moods and body.... read this article and think... it will be a beginning for perceiving astronomy in your body.... What Kepler called with the pythagorean tradition the "music of the sphere" is way much than only a Platonician desincarnated metaphorical idea....It is a living experience.. And music is not the sound coming from the gear you just upgrade to, it is a a moving movement of you body/brain/heart, which could become a new organ of perception for the spirit of the universe... If not, Nietszche observation will damn those who listen to their material possessions instead of the "spirit".... Schopenhauer describe this universal will and called it "spirit"...
https://academic.oup.com/jxb/advance-article/doi/10.1093/jxb/erab462/6417250
«My wife read astrologers and now she think his own will is no more only his »-Groucho Marx 🤓
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“The knowledge of all things is possible” Think about what this really means? Here Leonardo dont speak about knowledge as quantitative or separate qualitative "information"... He speak about the lived perceptive feeling experience ... What i called in my post above "the music of the spheres"..
“Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.” No comment here is necessary...Save for many contemporary lost minds but i lack the necessary space to explain it...
“One has no right to love or hate anything if one has not acquired a thorough knowledge of its nature. Great love springs from great knowledge of the beloved object, and if you know it but little you will be able to love it only a little or not at all.” This one is deeper that what we may think at first read....
“The painter has the Universe in his mind and hands.” The musician and the listener of music also has the universe in his body/brain/soul/heart
“An average human looks without seeing, listens without hearing, touches without feeling, eats without tasting, moves without physical awareness, inhales without awareness of odour or fragrance, and talks without thinking.” Alas! there will be no comment possible here....A part of ourself is always this average human... Awake the other part...
“Where the spirit does not work with the hand, there is no art.” This one is very important one...Where there is listening only with the ears and not with the heart, there is no music either...
“Learning is the only thing the mind never exhausts, never fears, and never regrets.” For Leonardo love is learning and learning impossible without love....
“Why does the eye see more clearly when asleep than the imagination when awake?” It seems the attention focus is reversed in dreams, the peripheral command the center and the center here reflect the whole and we see more clearly that in our daydream imaginations, because when "awake" the center hide the peripheral source most of the times... We are "awake" it seems but hypnotized by the foci and only sleepwalkers..
“Details make perfection, and perfection is not a detail.” The parts participate to the whole, the whole is the "aura" of the part, not the part..
“Truth at last cannot be hidden. Dissimulation is of no avail. Dissimulation is to no purpose before so great a judge. Falsehood puts on a mask. Nothing is hidden under the sun.” How true it is in the actual worldwide crisis but :
“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.”
this last one: “Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.
« The waters at the origin were separated by sound» -Anonymus Smith
« All these gibberish posts of yours are for ? Let me guess: to push acoustic control science against consumers gear upgrade... Then why not being more economical?»-Gummo Marx «Because with spirit, unlike money when you throw it, you reap more brother»- Groucho Marx 🤓 |
I spent two days doing the annual maintenance on my mower and my off-road side by side. Yes, I could have done both in a day but I paced myself. Neither is difficult but they take a lot of time. I think youth with only a few dollars in my pocket is better than aged with lots of things. But I would have never known that without growing old. |
Thanks to you two for your posts...
My experience too, and part of the powerful moving experience of being young and free...
Wise!
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You are right if we speak about a diversity which is only a mass of external additons of "objects" or posts taken without any intent linking them all...... I dont think that this is the case in point for this thread wisely created by the OP... Then you own post is an evidently true "idealized" assertion itself... i apologize to you for my remark.... I know you are a trustfull thinking person... In the opposite twoleftears always post short negative posts ...
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Pure musical experience cannot be reduced to acoustic and psycho-acoustic experience... But there is a rightful way to do it though, and we can assert that in some perspective, we could try to submit music experience to science...If we respect the irreducible quality of music experience when we study it... In the same way EVIL cannot be a study matter for science, because for many materialist scientist qualities dont exist "per se" they are secondary illusions, like music experience which is a lived quality which can be put aside at the end as secondary... Evil is not even recognized by science save in psychiatric science only few decades ago: psychopathology... From all corners of social activities we are conditioned to take for real what is measurable technically speaking...All the rest did not count much... All the rest go with the baby in the muddied waters... Nietszche wrote his quote at the supreme moment where materialism was ascending to his peak, at this time man was owning a "soul" again, and REMEMBERED IT, even if his soul was at risk to be lost ... We live after materialism , in the age of a technological religion, where there is no more "soul" or anything to be lost... People are conditioned to listen to their idols who speak to them directly by the miracle of technology : computer, virtual reality,cars, audio system,.... People own their idols and gods and they are like slaves praying to their perfectly designed slaves-idols... The crisis in audio reflect perfectly the world crisis...Educated mass ignorance at the service of corporations small or big...
Knowledge is reduced to science and at the end science is reduced to only technology... Nietszche quote seems even a "naive" statement by a romantic deluded too religious man... But i am optimist: the actual world crisis is the defining moment in all human history... I know than men will awake in a way or in another way....Death dont exist only corpses exist... I will now go listen to some therapeutic music in my dedicated room, waiting to be imprisoned perhaps or waiting to pay for a fine in money because i am not vaccinated in this Canadian sleepwalking country... I live in Orwellian age...I never think young that Orwell could be a prophet like Blake was or biblical prophets...I was naive and i thought that democracy will reign supreme here forever over "communists"evil....I was very deluded....I read too much books at a young age not paying any attention to the world TILL NOW... Nietszche was right only the man who already own a spirit can own even books without undermining himself at the end... What is spirit? It is freedom.... Freedom is the seed, the root, the fruit and the flower of spirit in pure love....
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