Not one is a universal genius, save Democrites disciple of Leucippes which created a very different and deep atomic theory before the modern one...

None in this list compare to the universal genius of a Swedenborg, Goethe. Aristotle or Leonard Da vinci...To name a few...Or Newton or Leibnitz....

In economy/sociology and psychanalysis the real genius is not Marx which is a children compared to Bernard Mandeville 2 centuries before he was even born..

Darwin is a great natural scientist by no means a universal genius ...Even Goethe is on par with him in natural science or the Humboltd brothers, Shaw is not even Voltaire which is not a universal genius... Lucretious is brillant but only a Leucippes and Democrites disciple in the latin world...

The greatest geniuses in all culture are spiritual men, not materialist, try Archimedes the greek superhuman scientist who create almost the modern calculus but nobody was enough clever to notice it before Newton did his part..., Ramanujan who spoke each night with the gooddess of knowledge or Grothendieck who wrote a book about his relation with God ( one thousand pages in french i read it) and like Archimedes created by himself modern mathematics ...Only Poincaré is near Gronthendieck in the 20 th century or Gauss and Riemann before them...

If many deist are dumb , atheist are not very clever either...Some exception exist: for example Freud is a genius over Marx and Even Darwin...Is Freud a universal genius? No...

Why?

It is impossible to be a creative universal genius WITHOUT a creative superlative IMAGINATION...

What is imagination ? It is the first step of inspiration and intuition which are the three of them the PERCEPTIVE intelligence of meaning and form in their universal ssetting... A materialist universe has no MEANING and even no deep form by design...Read Nietzsche description of the eternal return...

 

btw significant Materialists to name a few

(and Deists should count along with any who believe "God" has no interest in our affairs or "souls".)

Lucretious

Darwin

Marx

Shaw

Neither Tophit nor Aphor.

 

You are not ashamed of anything it seems..

look at yourself before looking at me...

discussing WITH ARGUMENTS isnot hyjacking a thread..

posting filibuster accusation and now this is TROOLING ME...and the thread where the OP invite me at the first place... He shut himself off because he dont like my words count sum but NEVER EVER answer ANY of my arguments for or against WHY?

am i irrational? i am passionate yes but i can present ideas ...new one...Not old political mantra...or statistical giiberish to win a point ... Do you recognize you..

No argument then appeal to others to attack me..

Great man you are indeed...

It is an either/or situation for me...

If you read my post , you must MATURELY argue against or for my point or stay silent...It is called an ADULT philosophical debate...

Calling me a "filibuster" reflect, by this choice of word, your own personal political ideology and mirror your own PAST actions in all thread pertaining to politics OR NOT where suddenly you never moderate yourself ABOUT YOUR POLITICAL OPINION in the first place, creating foes and neglecting all audio matter because it suit you... I dont act like that i moderate myself and i spoke KINDLY to millercarbon or to you for example......And in this tread i relate all my ideas to audio approach and ideas about music and sound, science and spirit experience...

Then take a mirror...Look at your beam not at my straw...

By the way my posts were never monologos but dialogos propositions and my content is not REPETITIVE but various and original even in audio matters and ARE AROUND the OP question of this thread from many perspective.

Then calling me "filibuster" reflect your own immoderate trend in all threads of audiogon about politics and arguing agaist imaginary political enemy : the right...Millercarbon in particular.. Thinking out of politic is without interest for you it seems...Philosophy and audio are related directly by the way... Ideological politic and audio are not...

 

And the OP is supposed to be a philosopher, i am amazed that instead of discussing and reading my posts which are around the question of consumerism/spirit because he even cited me in the first place in his initial remark he shut me off now... He did it for the same reason in the past... it seems i am not an interesting guest...ideas are too much in numbers and arguments too deep or too stupid...Pick your choice...he dont discuss my arguments EVER like any philosopher will do...I supposed he think i am a deluded fool...Or he himself is unable to think out of a book...

I will quit...

i need friends to speak with, not small hypocrital passive observer...

Thanks for your christmast gift...

And nonoise enjoy posting your childish GIF instead of ideas...Dont call that trolling a thread with unrelated unoriginal humor called that "nonoise right" to annoy by self proclaimed right...And go on with your petty political attacks...

@mahgister ,

It’s not an either/or situation.
It’s not like a faucet: fully on or shut completely off.
It’s moderation in everything we do.

All the best,
Nonoise

You are a gentleman..

I know that i take too much place sometimes...

I apologize to you for that...

I will try my best to never annoy you...

I respect you...

I agree things are on fire in many ways. I'm not a disengaged person, but I like to talk about audio on Audiogon, even if I stretch the connection a bit with some Nietzsche.

You're free to talk about and argue about whatever you like, of course.

You are not wrong! I will say you are right...

But at least these are only facts in these few line..

Then in fire? yes...

But not set by me.... North america is on fire now about freedom issues...

Then why not spelling the truth in a "philosophical" audio threads?

And for death count think just about the "opioid" criminal count...

it make me puke...

People life shattered by criminal officially backed up right now by most politicians..

In my country canada it was the truckers that acted wisely and pacifically... The greatest pacific organization manifestation the world has ever seen... It is not Washingtom mob here... It is a worlwide movement of consciousness..

And like consumerism blind people in audio matter, mass hysteria, conformism, like described in Asch experience and in the Milgram experience is everywhere to be seens in North america...

 

Then audio matter  and philosophy are good...

But in these time we can apply our working brain to the universal censorship ... When many ask for it...

Voltaire is dead for many hundred years ago he struggle for free speech he will be at risk to be put in jail today not in China probably in North America... In his own country he will be put on a surveillance watch and censored by google, facebook and all official medias...

Then it is not your thread which is on fire in reality ...

Is calling a cat a cat in few line, spelling the truth, is it throwing the fire?

Not really the fire is there but many with blinders donty even see it...Some want to not even acknowledge reality and facts... Caling criminal those who are criminals,  is only freedom act,  when those same officially proven  criminals are at the front page of newspaper like heroes working for us people who are censored and lied about everything... It is not hard to verify that with thousand of non paid corporate scientits worldwide...

Ash experience and Milgram experience explain it all... when i was young i did not believe these experience made sense scientifically, God! i was stupid and naive and credulous about myself also....

Speaking about a real fire is not throwing it to begin with and at last...

Then in this  little world of this audio thread my few line post is a fire, but the main thing is that my little post is pure fact and truth...Then...The fire dont come from me...Save for those who dont want to see it in the first place...

I am pretty sure you are yourself lucid and you dont use blinders..

You just remark that my last post is not neutral for an audio forum and yes you are right...

My best to you ... And thanks for this unusual intelligent thread idea...

 

Wow, you start a little fire, go away for a while, and come back to find the whole neighborhood is ablaze.

 

Pfizer is a criminal organization , not a corporation dedicated FIRST AND LAST  to health at all save for brainwashed sleepwalkers...

It take few seconds to pick among many others criminal pursuits this one only...

This is only ONE legal action from 2009..

Do you think that this corporation improved from 2009 and before?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/pfizer-pays-record-fine-for-illegal-promotions-1.789220

«Over the years, the company has also faced lawsuits where consumers claimed the drugmaker sold defective drugs, and the U.S. government has charged the company with health care fraud.»

Wise post and observation... I think the same as you...

I dont need any upgrade and i dont feel frustrated at all with my 500 bucks system now, thanks to acoustic method, but there is always place to a better results and a better design .. the only question is at which cost and for which improvement?

Acoustic cost me NOTHING...

 

Don’t get me wrong, who among us isn’t entranced by using bleeding edge technology and materials? I am, and I am grateful to the makers who do this.

I only disagree with the idea that money should be our guiding light for what an upgrade must be like.

 

You said too much and you said too less...

Spitting is not thinking....

And do you speak about everyone ignorance in this thread or only mine?

If it is mine, enlighten me... If you dare to speak about all the people alleged ignorance indistinctly in this thread spare us your spitting, stay silent....

 

 

«It is not ignorance but the blinders habit which are breathtaking»-Anonymus Smith

 

 

So much ignorance on here it’s breathtaking.

But what my last posts about a world crisis has to do with sound/music experience?

 

Simple...

 

Sound/music experience is a spirit/body perceptive event related to some conditions and material factors in the world: a room and an audio system....

 

Half of this correlation, the gear, is presented as the main causing factor excluding the main participating factor : our body location in a room acoustically controlled...

Like in the health crisis, some factors ,the gear, are presented by most reviewers to be the more important one and the other, the room acoustic , presented as secondary or inexistant (first treatment versus mass vaccination )...

Here is the lie behind the mass market audio conditioning of the mass or big pharma control....All factors are important, all of them, not only the chosen one only by the power behind the curtail ....

Gear+room and group at risk focussed Vaccination+ first treatment...

Mandated mass vaccination for ALL is a destruction of health and freedom...Gear system sold in audio magazine to be the main factor of sound experience is a destruction of our musical and acoustical awareness...

If one of these two factors is lacking or ERASED, or underscore completely and systematically it is because there is a LIE.....

 

 

« By his precise distance from truth, an error point rigorously toward truth after analysis; but an half truth, with a lie by omission hidden in it, veil the truth completely»-Anonymus Statistician

 

 

Nietszche is right, owning something weigh on us, and without strong spirit someone is at risk to be crush spiritually by his own possession...

But here N. reveal his own christianity, he repeated what Jesus simply reminded us, many centuries before him, by speaking about the joyful and free poor and the infelicitous rich...

And Klaus Schwab when claiming that tomorrow "people will own nothing and be happy" did not give us here a christian recipe to become man of spirit but seriously propose the erasing of freedom itself in a global totalitarian move...

The actual crisis is not about health, and not even about money, after all money is only a printable paper sheet and no more a contract back by something with a real value... The actual crisis is not at all about  health or money, save for sleepwalking people, it is about control and freedom...All the last 2 years reveal it clearly to everyone...

We must be free to own and free to give up and free to keep...No one can say to us that we will no more be free to own anything and we will be happy....

The essence of spirit is freedom and love....These three words revealing from three vantage points the only one truth....

Great movie....

This movie illustrate well, like no other since, the negative side of technology in his own "psychoanalytic" way... It is not so archaic reading about technology upside down effect than some people could think....

My best to you....

 

 

My wife has all that so what?

She is free and did no study of their own BEFORE taking these...After she take the vaxx i read for the last 6 months about MRNA "vaccines" before making my opinion...

The matter on this crisis is not about vaccines at all...

If you dont understand that you cannot understand this crisis...

It is an economical power war not an health war.... It is about the end of freedom like in China...

That is the matter...

Focusing on who are vaccinated and who are not is only mass hysteria...

And debating about vaxx will take this thread down...

FREEDOM  is the matter....

Vaccinated or not... It is not the matter...

The matter is FREEDOM...and DEMOCACY.... And SCIENCE...

Pfizer or Moderna has nothing to do with science... It has nothing to do  even with sound technology...

Pfizer is a financial controlled company...This is the matter...

If you think otherwise i am sorry for you my friend...Read the criminal past fines history...Read their actual "transparent" description of their product  totally untested content on animals or humans...Read how their vaccines save them from bankrupcy...Read about who are the people who OWN these companies...

I apologize another time to my past rude answers to you....

i am too sad about humanity to have grudges against anyone...

If you think this last video analysis apply only to Soviet era or Nazism era and not to America right now you are deluded...

I cannot go out free on most commercial places right now in Quebec...

Why?

Because of sound scientific reasons?

😁😊

Awake yourself, read about science, acoustic,and spirituality, and quit politic and marketing programming...

Some others read Nietszche in their own "psychopathological" way and have decided for themselves that men are not mature enough to own anything....They say that tomorrow " we will own nothing and be happy".... This tomorow is now...

Be free....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

«The heart is a tree which dynamic flow is the possible optimized path between memory and imagination from joy to a greater joy»-Anonymus Smith

«The sound "in" my brain/heart/body is a translated fractal of the sound in my room»- anonymus acoustician

«A fractal is the seed of a tree between dimensions»-Anonymus Smith

«The heart is a fractal between sensible and surprasensible dimension»-Anonymus smith

«We must remember the future to really sing the song»-Anonymus Poet

Memory is not so simple...

Memory cannot be separated from the imaginative creative power ( i dont speak about fiction or fantasy mainly here)

Memory cannot be separated from the BODY and not only from the brain...There is heart in the body, what we call feelings...

Then when we remember some past event, this event is recreated, not so much recalled as it was once...

BUT this recreation is guided and formed by the root and fruit of the tree of memory : feelings which are lived and re-lived in the body/heart and not only comes from the brain, anyway the brain contains the body living image and the body contains the brain because there is neurons everywhere...The brain and the body are not static OBJECTS they are interpenetrating DYNAMICAL flows...

Then when i remember the same piece of music i listen now as 45 years ago , i cannot remember the SOUND quality of this precise moment in the past....But i can recall my feeling around this perceptive moment....And compared it to the feeling of the same SOUND through my actual audio system....In some case where the feeling was very strong it is possible to recreate/recall it with his association with a sound quality coming from the past and compared to the present...

I know why my actual system is better than my friend system from 45 years ago when i listened with my gut feeling of the sound not because i can recall the exact memory of the sound but because i can compared the emotions i LEARNED to associate with sound at this past time till today...

We dont remember ,we recreate the past with the most powerful perceptive organ : the heart...The heart is so powerful because for it, past and future MUST always cross anew together....The heart is the crossing point between the brain dynamic and the body dynamic flows...

In a word we dont remember past sound we recreate them as they once were for our feelings and with our feelings...

 

 

«The Brain is to the past, what the body is to the future, and the heart to the present»-Anonymus Smith

« If we can erase the universe this hand is drawing now with the other hand, we cannot erase the love who guide them two»-Anonymus Smith

«The heart is the only one teacher to the brain who forgot too much and to the body who imagine too much»-Anonymus Smith

«The heart is the door and the key»-Anonymus Smith

«The heart is at the same time the map and the territory»-Anonymus Smith

«If the brain is an inference engine and the body an antenna, the heart is the emitter and the receiver»-Anonymus Smith

You are right and wiser than me .... Humor is necessary...I misread your post...

I apologize and sincerely wish you the best and thank you for reminding me to be less serious...

@mahgister please relax. i simply choose to keep it light and silly when i go to the hifi forum and leave the high effort philosophy posts to others. the fundamental absurdity of this hobby and "gear acquisition syndrome" is obvious to me, but i still enjoy it. like everyone else here.

Perhaps if you concentrate your mind a little bit more, reading  the Nietszche  quote meaning  in the OP thread introduction , you would have understood already that no "material object" could save us from madness... especially collective insane madness like it is now...

Reading is not deciphering the syllabes, it is a new world of meaning experience....Try it...

 

perhaps if this fella nietzsche had a nice hifi back in the day he wouldn’t have gone insane

Thanks maxwave for this very beautiful and instructive post....

Pure musical experience cannot be reduced to acoustic and psycho-acoustic experience...

But there is a rightful way to do it though, and we can assert that in some perspective, we could try to submit music experience to science...If we respect the irreducible quality of music experience when we study it...

In the same way EVIL cannot be a study matter for science, because for many materialist scientist qualities dont exist "per se" they are secondary illusions, like music experience which is a lived quality which can be put aside at the end as secondary...

Evil is not even recognized by science save in psychiatric science only few decades ago: psychopathology...

From all corners of social activities we are conditioned to take for real what is measurable technically speaking...All the rest did not count much...

All the rest go with the baby in the muddied waters...

Nietszche wrote his quote at the supreme moment where materialism was ascending to his peak, at this time man was owning a "soul" again, and REMEMBERED IT, even if his soul was at risk to be lost ... We live after materialism , in the age of a technological religion, where there is no more "soul" or anything to be lost...

People are conditioned to listen to their idols who speak to them directly by the miracle of technology : computer, virtual reality,cars, audio system,.... People own their idols and gods and they are like slaves praying to their perfectly designed slaves-idols...

The crisis in audio reflect perfectly the world crisis...Educated mass ignorance at the service of corporations small or big...

 

Knowledge is reduced to science and at the end science is reduced to only technology...

Nietszche quote seems even a "naive" statement by a romantic deluded too religious man...

But i am optimist: the actual world crisis is the defining moment in all human history...

I know than men will awake in a way or in another way....Death dont exist only corpses exist...

I will now go listen to some therapeutic music in my dedicated room, waiting to be imprisoned perhaps or waiting to pay for a fine in money  because i am not vaccinated in this Canadian sleepwalking country...

I live in Orwellian age...I never think young that Orwell could be a prophet like Blake was or biblical prophets...I was naive and i thought that democracy will reign supreme here forever over "communists"evil....I was very deluded....I read too much books at a young age not paying any attention to the world TILL NOW...

Nietszche was right only the man who already own a spirit can own even books without undermining himself at the end...

What is spirit?

It is freedom....

Freedom is the seed, the root, the fruit and the flower of spirit in pure love....

 

 

You are right if we speak about a diversity which is only a mass of external additons of "objects" or posts taken without any intent linking them all......

I dont think that this is the case in point for this thread wisely created by the OP...

Then you own post is an evidently true "idealized" assertion itself...

i apologize to you for my remark.... I know you are a trustfull thinking person...

In the opposite twoleftears always post short negative posts ...

Diversity should be welcome but not all diversity is necessarily welcome. Some has nothing to do with intelligence, ethics, values, or anything else of value to all.

 

Just picking up on broad idealized assertions that are clearly not true.

All diversity is welcome...

Intelligence can articulate diversity....

Stupidity can only be baffled by it .....

Thanks to you two for your posts...

 

My experience too, and part of the powerful moving experience of being young and free...

 

I spent two days doing the annual maintenance on my mower and my off-road side by side. Yes, I could have done both in a day but I paced myself. Neither is difficult but they take a lot of time. I think youth with only a few dollars in my pocket is better than aged with lots of things. But I would have never known that without growing old.

 

Wise!

When we own things, things own us.

“The knowledge of all things is possible”
― Leonardo da Vinci

Think about what this really means?

Here Leonardo dont speak about knowledge as quantitative or separate qualitative "information"... He speak about the lived perceptive feeling experience ... What i called in my post above "the music of the spheres"..

 

“Principles for the Development of a Complete Mind: Study the science of art. Study the art of science. Develop your senses- especially learn how to see. Realize that everything connects to everything else.”
― Leonardo da Vinci

No comment here is necessary...Save for many contemporary lost minds but i lack the necessary space to explain it...

 

“One has no right to love or hate anything if one has not acquired a thorough knowledge of its nature. Great love springs from great knowledge of the beloved object, and if you know it but little you will be able to love it only a little or not at all.”
― Leonardo DaVinci

This one is deeper that what we may think at first read....

 

“The painter has the Universe in his mind and hands.”
― Leonardo da Vinci

The musician and the listener of music also has the universe in his body/brain/soul/heart

 

“An average human looks without seeing, listens without hearing, touches without feeling, eats without tasting, moves without physical awareness, inhales without awareness of odour or fragrance, and talks without thinking.”
― Leonardo da Vinci

Alas! there will be no comment possible here....A part of ourself is always this average human... Awake the other part...

 

“Where the spirit does not work with the hand, there is no art.”
― Leonardo da Vinci

This one is very important one...Where there is listening only with the ears and not with the heart, there is no music either...

 

“Learning is the only thing the mind never exhausts, never fears, and never regrets.”
― Leonardo da Vinci

For Leonardo love is learning and learning impossible without love....

 

 

“Why does the eye see more clearly when asleep than the imagination when awake?”
― Leonardo da Vinci

It seems the attention focus is reversed in dreams, the peripheral command the center and the center here reflect the whole and we see more clearly that in our daydream imaginations, because when "awake" the center hide the peripheral source most of the times... We are "awake" it seems but hypnotized by the foci and only sleepwalkers..

 

“Details make perfection, and perfection is not a detail.”
― Leonardo Da Vinci

The parts participate to the whole, the whole is the "aura" of the part, not the part..

 

“Truth at last cannot be hidden. Dissimulation is of no avail. Dissimulation is to no purpose before so great a judge. Falsehood puts on a mask. Nothing is hidden under the sun.”
― Leonardo da Vinci

How true it is in the actual worldwide crisis but :

 

“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.”
― Leonardo da Vinci

 

this last one:

“Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.
When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return.
Learning never exhausts the mind.
Art is never finished, only abandoned.
Painting is poetry that is seen rather than felt, and poetry is painting that is felt rather than seen.
The human foot is a masterpiece of engineering and a work of art.
It had long since come to my attention that people of accomplishment rarely sat back and let things happen to them. They went out and happened to things.
I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; we must do.
As a well-spent day brings happy sleep, so a life well spent brings happy death.
Water is the driving force of all nature.”
― Leonardo da Vinci

 

« The waters at the origin were separated by sound» -Anonymus Smith

 

 

« All these gibberish posts of yours are for ? Let me guess: to push acoustic control science against consumers gear upgrade... Then why not being more economical?»-Gummo Marx

«Because with spirit, unlike money when you throw it, you reap more brother»- Groucho Marx 🤓

Now a clue about "spirit" perception and consumerism....

 

The spirit for me integrate all the universe without being part of the universe...

How do i feel it ?

Listening music/sound unity, without bothering anymore with the gear, i must listen to my own body/brain/soul, how?

By hearing with the moving parts of the music the "moving" reactive parts of my body/brain/ soul through the HEART movement and the respiration cycles...

Then i could become conscious of the way music affect me and this new sensibility will introduce me through this musical meditation to the influence of the solar system action in my own body/soul/heart movement...

I will sense something that manifect to me and did not come from the music powerful moves but affect it by the diurnal cycle and even by the way the successions of days and weeks change my moods and body....

read this article and think... it will be a beginning for perceiving astronomy in your body....

What Kepler called with the pythagorean tradition the "music of the sphere" is way much than only a Platonician desincarnated metaphorical idea....It is a living experience..

And music is not the sound coming from the gear you just upgrade to, it is a a moving movement of you body/brain/heart, which could become a new organ of perception for the spirit of the universe... If not, Nietszche observation will damn those who listen to their material possessions instead of the "spirit"....

Schopenhauer describe this universal will and called it "spirit"...

 

 

 

https://academic.oup.com/jxb/advance-article/doi/10.1093/jxb/erab462/6417250

 

«My wife read astrologers and now she think his own will is no more only his »-Groucho Marx 🤓

 

 

Like i already said, Bernard Mandeville the master mind behind liberal capitalism, not Adam Smith who plagiarize it, is the redactor of the manual of mass control, which would make Machiavel a children... I read Machiavel also by the way... It is a children compared to Mandeville...

Now the bankers behind capital controls always DECIDED which will receive capitals and for what....It is not complotism doctrine but only a human fact about greed...

Is it not simple?

By the way Dr. Mabuse film precisely described the manipulation behind financial speculation and wars in the first thirty minutes...No Hollywood movie describe it better than he already did one century after it....

 

Basically most of the major wars since 1815 have been bankers wars, and yet...

Not a single movie has dared to depict them as such.

A war unplanned with no money never existed save in victimized country or people...

By the way between conditioned sleepwalking mass and their masters, there is no "controls" there is not much a "plot" but a SIMILAR make up of the mind by the endoctrinated mass and those who endoctrinated them..

The difference between Hitler, Stalin, Rockfeller, Pierpont-Morgan etc and any power man and the ordinary people, is that the Hitler, Stalin, Rockfeller, Pierpont-Morgan BELIEVE more in their ideology that even the people who are conditioned by them... The mindframe of Stalin is even Narrower that any communist leader under him and narrower than any russians, WHY ?

Because their narrow mind reflect their total focus on only ONE target : control...They concentrated focus of attention is the only reason of their power...

Then Stalin , Hitler or any powerful man are the FIRST VICTIM of  their ideology...

There is much less of a complotism here in history  than a complete closure of the mind and a narrowing of the attention...

Are Hitler, Stalin, Rockfeller, Pierpont-Morgan, or any other man of power reflect that  they are only  EVIL and mostly  evil ?

Not at all, in many cases , they are sleepwalking more deeply in their sleep than even the mass of the people they indoctrinated in their beliefs about states, capitalism or any other ideology....

Murderers are evil for sure but i spoke here about  the power perspective...

 

Pfizer for example  is one of the worst proven criminal  enterprise which had payed many billions of dollars in criminal fines in the past decades....

I dont need to add anything to this fact....

We can trust big pharma.

History never repeat itself like in a circle, but repeat itself like on an helicoidal cycle.. The same and not the same ....

The "Great Year cycle" in traditional astronomy, is a perfect illustration of that...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Year

 

Thinking that events in the universe and on Earth were completely unrelated and did never affect one another is now scientifically ridiculous...

Guess what happened when mankind detonated thermonuclear weapon in the sky ?

Guess what happen to our sun crossing different parts of the galaxy and "coughing" toward Earth ?

 

There exist proven scientific facts, but also science give us way more than numerous small proven facts, science give to each ERA his own abilty to imagine new rational and possible perspectives even if these perspective cannot be strictly proven to exist... Darwin never strictly  proved that man descend from the ape, he gives us a rational relation and new perspective by pointing to ape and man in an  environmental context.......

Basic human needs dont change but they express themselves in new ways through all evolution and through all history....These transformation of their expression is history...

When Cesar decided coming back from his  Gallic wars  to cross the Rubicon river WITH HIS ARMY  it was a SYMBOLIC gesture of rebellion against the Rome republic, which expressed a basic need for total freedom but in a new context...

Semiotic teach us that symbols are real like a tree is real for consciousness...Rubicon is not just a mass of flowing water....

Well, some people do say that history has a way of repeating itself. Perhaps not surprising given that human needs and desires remain the same as they always did.

I will add something to Feynman because focusing on a problem or on a question could be damaging by itself in some case..

Focusing and AT THE SAME TIME learning how to not focusing, but giving the problem to a part of our mind and going on on some other related or not related questions and field is very important in philosophy...Anyway philosophy is by definition multidisciplinary... Poetic and even astrology or mathematics can be philosophical tools and concern or any other fields ...

For sure if like Andrew Wyles you want to solve a mathematical problem, you must focus on it only non stop for 7 years to do so... Or if you must solve some a precise physic problem like Feyman related to an Apollo rocket mistake engineering piece, you must focus non stop for some days..

But philosophy is not mathematics nor engineering... Problems are not enigma to be solved but deep mysteries to be cautiously and indirectly approached with reverence and deep devotion... Problems here cannot be "solved" they can only be described in a new perspective for a new consciousness...

Goethe method in his natural science morphological observation deeply pointed to the fact that solutions and problems are interrelated perceived individual and at the same time universal "symbolic forms" like a particular undulated line drawn on a sheet of paper will be very differently perceived and described , by a monk, a painter, a shaman, a musician, a geometer, a mariner thinking about waves, or an alchemist, or by a physicist specialized in Fourier analysis, or by a meteorologist describing the sky....

There is no form without meaning and there is no meaning without form.... The formless is itself a "form"....And any form speak from the formless...

Then going back to your observation : most people are unable to focus consciously, and much more unable to learn how to not focus consciously and mastering the art of attention...

Attention imply 2 levels polarity : the foci, and the periphereal....

If you can accept the Feynman theory of learning ie focus, understanding, being able to recall and then to explain to others, then you can see where the problem might lie....

The human mind is a great thing, no doubt. Unfortunately it doesn’t come with any kind of user manual.

Dr.Mabuse film reminding us of the mass hysteria climate at the dawn of the second world war , just after the first war, is not only a great piece of cinema but an occasion to think about the factors which related our own crisis to this crisis at the beginning of the last century...

Mass hysteria and crowds psychosis in Germany is related to the media controls, the fear and anxieties growing diffusion, the lost of any rationality, the division of the population in 2 new groups among all others divisions, the pervert use of the emissary goat process by some "elite in control", and the creation of an "artiicial" consensus in the population to be controlled, and with that the suspension of any democratic process..

I am flabbergasted by history....By psychological science , by the minority of people in a spiritual resistance...

I wish for the world a new better year than the last 2...

There is no death, save the lost of thinking and the lost of hope because of fear..

 

What about consumerism? It will be no more the tool for controlling the mass peacefuly, hidden  totalitarian dictatorship is the only way our "elite" sees a future...

Those who own something and are possessed by what they own, without this free spirit about which spoke N. will the first to be crushed...It is time to be free, listening music with the bare essentials, to cure ourself not to go in an artificial hiding from reality...

Music is a poison or a cure....

To all i wish the best from my heart for this year....

 

Dont distort my words, in any discussion EVERYDOBY, me included, must answer intelligently and not post stupid gift or political attack...

The rules of discussion exist for millenia...

English is not my language and i have the bad habit to arrange my thought in order...

And if you read my answer s to my post they always listing arguments WITHOUT GRUDGE against anyone save those who serve me lesson like "filibuster" accusation...

Quit now your job is done and anyway you are unable to think about deep matter save fanatical politic....You serve lesson but try to answer about any of my post line of thought here... Try, it will reveal your mastering of thought instead of attacking me WITHOUT any sound argument ...

When you serve others the better of yourself and you receive spit like gift, if you are not Christ you react... These 2 posts are my reaction ....

I do, in fact, read your threads and find them tiresome because you prattle on endlessly when you could do it succinctly.

But you are right with the OP i am not succinct... So what? my posts are original in all article, books videos , and ideas recommendations and ARTICULATED so what?

YOU SHUT ME OFF BY THE WORDS COUNT? not by my content?

Look in your face....

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT SOME OTHERS PEOPLE ENJOYED READING MY REFLECTIONS... but you did not why? the words count annoy you?

is this a valid argument at the end?

you are ridiculous and anyone reading all the thread will decide by himself...

 

Next christmast i will stay alone and mute...

Thanks for your feedback...

 

Goedel was not playing chess with death like the medieval crusader in the film , but he played against himself unbeknownst to him... This part of ourself which is impersonal pure possible evil: cold ice mechanical logic...

Mathematics itself is not logical and is not LOGIC, it is a work of love, all possible and contingencies, and necessities are preserved by the living universal imagination...The translation of all possible worlds in one another maintain freedom and choices... Goedel Famous incompletude theorems speak about mathematics being a a growing infinite living cellulars organism flowering structure born from love ... not a logical uncompleted frozen tree...

Logic is one of the tool with which man studies forms and numbers and abstract infinite language...Language is also a tool to study mathematics...Art is a tool...

nature is a tool.... Our imagination is the main tool....Computers are a tool also...

But A.I. computerized proving machine and survey will never create meaning.... meaning are always also mystereies and not only known significations...

Now in the " seventh seal " one of the greatest film ever made, there is a word that struck me : "if the devil exist God must exist too"...

The greatest logician after Aristotle is certainly Goedel who designed for himself a new proof about the existence of God around the Anselm proof.. It is called Goedel ontological argument....

I will not go in the proof details, and the meaning of the axioms here, because it is astonishingly abstract, and not necessary to describe my take about it...One critic of the proof made a great observation ...

From wiki:

«Many philosophers have called the axioms into question. The first layer of criticism is simply that there are no arguments presented that give reasons why the axioms are true. A second layer is that these particular axioms lead to unwelcome conclusions. This line of thought was argued by Jordan Howard Sobel,^[12] showing that if the axioms are accepted, they lead to a "modal collapse" where every statement that is true is necessarily true, i.e. the sets of necessary, of contingent, and of possible truths all coincide (provided there are accessible worlds at all).^{[note 6]} According to Robert Koons,^{[9]: 9} Sobel suggested in a 2005 conference paper^{[citation needed]} that Gödel might have welcomed modal collapse.^{[13] »}

 

 

What struck me was the fact that Goedel would have welcome the "modal collapse"... What it is ? it is the fact that a proof of God, if it was a valid one logically will place all contingent, necessary, and possible truths on the same footing, they will all coincide or converge...

This remind me of the existence of the Goedel machine theory by one of the father of A.I. Jurgen Schmidhuber, his Goedel machine will live in a world were anything will be processed to be a convergent center of autodesign , where the contingent, the necessary and the possible will be FORCE to coincide like on a Procustean bed nourishing an infinite progess of automodification toward an indefinte intelligent perfection...

https://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0309048

Then what is my point?

Simple the existence of A. I. and of the Goedel machine POINTED TO THE POSSIBLE existence of pure evil because where all living phenomena ask for maintaining the difference between the possible, the necessary and the contingent and for which , the possible, the contingent and the necessary must never be reduced to unity in a modal collapse...For evil it is the goal itself...

LOVE OPEN ALL POSSIBLE, DEATH which is not evil close them for a moment but EVIL WANT TO CLOSE ALL POSSIBLE FOR ETERNITY...

Then If A.I. exist and for me after study it exist, God must exist also...

Goedel never realized that the God he wanted to prove to exist was never the God of love the loving God, but pure evil , and a hive super-consciousness reducing all living possibles to his dead end iced will......

 

Now think about what Goethe said....

«There is no theory behind the phenomena, the phenomena are the theory» -Goethe

This means that man can contemplate the mysteries and educate his own mind to seize them as complementary interprenetrating MYSTERIES, but man MUST not and anyway will never be able to realize what only EVIL can do reducing all living phenomena to a dead theory external to them...

Goethe is a deeep well.... Even more wise than the super human Goedel intellect...

This is the difference between spirit and mere intellect....

 

 

«All your words are non sense, we cannot prove that love exist nor disprove it, save for  my lovely  wife »-Groucho Marx 🤓

 

«All great men are refined sismograph whose variations indicated the tremors level in the world»-Anonymus smith

«But the greatest among them heal and pacify the world»-Anonymus smith

 

«Animals heal us already and trees could heal the planet»-Anonymus Smith

 

«Anyway i only trust robot, they dont eat, dont bark and ask for anything not even water»-Groucho Marx 🤓

 

The problem with Asimov robotic laws to insure that robot will put human life by programmation above their own security, it is that is impossible to implement them...We can create Goedel machine that will increase their own power at one condition: they will master their OWN continuously increasing universe by reducing the existing one to be only materials to satisfy their needs... In this universe man will be a useless piece of matter.... the earth will be only an artificial space ship for the A. I. No need of air or even water...This is mathematical, the Goedel machine is artificially expanding yes but closed in itself......An artificial intelligence by definition is artificial, unconnected save externally to anything outside it.... Man and any living system are internally connected...

In a specific sense man and dogs or elephants partake the same form of CONNECTED intelligence... A.I. is another form of "intelligence" more akin to an eternal cube of increasing ice...

Transhumanist cultist fearing death adore a god which is death himself...

«Who is more intelligent than the angel of death anyway...»-Anonymus smith

« Play chess with me»- Ingmar Bergman Death angel 

The Bruno Groening story is really a deep parable about Health, medecine, corporations, and freedom...

In the actual crisis cheap medecines were trashed and FORBIDDEN by law..Killing drug inforced by law (remdesivir)

The freedom to care and the free relation between doctor and patient cancelled and subordinated to the state like under Stalin even in my supposedly free country Canada ...yes......In france people are on the street....

Now imagine a man who can heal instantaneously and without asking any money erasing any disease in a person or in a crowd ... For many doctors it will be humiliating and a big loss of money... He should be stop at all cost ... He was...

Now imagine this man today amidst a pandemy.... He would have been killed perhaps by corporations , not legally stopped like in 1950...

This Groening parable not only is a true moving story reminding us of the parable of the Christ return in Dostoievsky "the great inquisitor " but the most deep story to be told nowadays among the general fear mongering and blind politicians and monster corporations...

We live an interesting century in all fields:

Spiritually,

in economy, in physics, in mathematics, in medecine, in technology in general, in politics i cannot list all fields, all fields are affected at the same time by a complete revolution... my own quest is : what is the relation between each revolution in each fields and the global revolution on earth ....

Amazing...

I want to live to see the next....And i hope to perceive the beginning of the answer to the riddle of man ascent or descent...

 

You are right my friend!

 

I am a bit disapointed that NO ONE look at the documentary about one of the MOST extraordinary DOCUMENTED event of the last century with ALL the redacted testimonies of thousand of people who lived through the events for many years...

Some narrow mind claim that miracles dont exist only Newton laws revised by Einstein and Planck...

The Bruno Groening event in Germany before and after the 2 wars falsify that opinion...

Like in the Sidis case reality here exceed any fiction...This Groening repeat Christ miracles, testified by doctors, filmed, photographed and curing crowds by thousands numbers and at distance... No novelist will dare to create a so less credible and unbelieveble story...

His end meet the fateful  end of Christ...Humankind is immature  and many  technocrat are "monsters", and like predicted by Dostoievsky they will emprisonned and tortured the Christ himself if he dare to come anew... With Brunon Groening the Dostoievsky thought experiment in the "great inquisitor dialogue" was proven right to the letter... Verify the story by yourself...

 

I dont think that this miraculous man could be debunked by anyone... this is history... The reason why i post it is tho suggest to some that the universe will never be reduced to our narrow science conceptions and like just said the contrite string theorist Edward Witten perhaps the universe is not here to be only understood at our convenience...

i will make the link anew here, anyway this more than 3 hours documentary is moving and my christmast gift to all...

There is 3 parts this is the first one....

Listen to this you will not regret.....

 

 

 

FICTION DONT HOLD A CANDLE TO REALITY...

And sorry for scientists here miracles indeed exist....

Anyway even if most scientists dont know it yet, number theory is not " logical" or akin to human desire and taste, and number theory is itself a miracle not a simple tool created by apes like materialist will claim ... The miracles of mathematics and of prime numbes distribution meaning is described by the great mathematician Shinichi Mochizuki in the last 10 years, creating a worldwide controversy in mathematics that is not yet officially settled...

I like mathematics especially number theory, sorry....

 

Unable to solve all our divisions , a new division comes to the front soon, and i cannot think otherwise than thinking about the Sidis sacred vouch to not create new technology because mankind cannot live wisely and in peace now...

Perhaps Sidis was not the failed dreamer some said he was...But a true spiritual genius at the end...

Read me right i am not for the return into the cave with hunter gatherers... But ask yourself who will control this new "intelligence" who will surpass mankind by being a "hive-like intelligence" ?

How we, who participate and partake into something living and spiritual with air, water, earth soil, trees, animals and angels, will share the earth with "something" who dont need air, water, earth soil,trees,animals or angels, especially if this "something" own a kind of intelligence surpassing any humans but without body, save mechanical parts, no soul, and no spirit...

Think about that.... Only transhumanists cultists are not frightened...They fear death...I dont fear death but i fear robots....

Now think about Nietszche WARNING again: «Only he who has spirit ought to have possessions: otherwise possessions are a public danger.»

Who will own A.I. ? If we dont have spirit perhaps A. I. will own us at last...Our artefact will destroy us in some way...

Or perhaps A. I. will be controlled by the like of Gates and Bezos and the unknown one and others "benefactors" of mankind who will say to us: "WE Gates/Bezos/Musk have spirit, you mankind had LESS, i know better than doctors or scientists, or better than yourself and my life work is the proof because at last i work for the well being of mankind ..."

Did you not smell a bit of hubris and stupidity here?

I smell it...

Thanks 

tunefuldude and ghasley to be my "advocates"...

I wish you more than the best....

 

I apologize to the OP for my long posts ...

It is the first time of my life that i was alone at Christmast... My wife is with his old mother and his sister is ill...

Stay safe in this time of isolation....

I forgot to say that Sidis even surpassed Norbert Wiener, himself an ex-child prodigy, whom he knows at Harvard because the created together a club of geniuses with only 3 members...( the other being the music composer Roger Sessions if my memory is good)

Norbert Wiener created Cybernetics by himself or old A.I , and make deep discoveries in mathematics and in physics like the late Janos von Neumann...But unlike Neumann the sympathetic Wiener refuse to speak to anyone who worked for the military... Think about that....A commoon point with Sidis who declare at 11 years old that he will take the SACRED VOUCH to never invented ANY technology because humanity is too war-like and dont understand society ( save some Indians tribes Sidis considered more advanced)

Believe it or not by the precocity of talents and the mastering of fields at young age , Sidis Exceed these two, Wiener and Neumann who worked among other thing the FIRST architecture of computers and who were the most gifted scientist in the world ....

A last point how do we know Sidis I.Q. ?

He lived before the second world war at a times where all government job necessitate testing routine I.Q. formulary , and at each new job he was tested and sometimes recognized because he was over any testable scale in I. Q. He quitted often many jobs because he hate to be named a "genius" after his own mother exploitation and his father bragging and stricted education...His I.Q. is only guessed by putting him out of the scale at least with 250....And probably 300 which is two times the minimal number usually associated with genius : 145...

He worked sometimes with 2 mechanical additive computer , one for each hand, and like it because he said i can think at the same time... 😊

His father spoke more than 20 languages, i think 24, wrote 17 books and was considered one of the greatest psychiatrist and psychologist in America with his friend William James who gives his name to the Sidis baby... He taught medecine to his uneducated future wife and euclidean geometry before marrying her , she was herself a genius they married and decided to train their baby... The rest is history...

 

Do you know why i quit reading S-F novel long ago?

Reality exceed fiction in miracles and mysteries....Reality dont ask to be believed first and last ...

«The importance of sound or of silence is way more exagerated»- a yogi

 

William James Sidis is so highly intelligent that his life is UNBELIEVABLE, for example:

Given IQ is a purely anthropocentric means of assessing intelligence, Sidis’ IQ is crudely estimated at 250-300.
Mastered higher mathematics and planetary revolutions by age 11.
Learned to spell efficiently by one year old.
Started reading The New York Times at 18 months.
Read Caesar’s Gallic Wars, in Latin (self-taught), as a birthday present to his Father in Billy’s fourth year.
Learned Greek alphabet and read Homer in Greek in his fourth year.
Learned Aristotelian logic in his sixth year and said to his mother thay he regret to have not studied logic BEFORE... 😊
At six, Billy learned Russian, French, German, and Hebrew, and soon after, Turkish and Armenian.
Learned Gray’s Anatomy at six. Could pass a student medical examination and enter University in medecine because it was the high bar at these times...
Total recall of everything he read.
Wrote four books between ages of four and eight. Two on anatomy and astronomy, lost.
Passed Harvard Medical School anatomy exam at age seven.
Passed MIT entrance exam at age eight.
Attempted to enroll in Harvard at nine.But he was too SHORT in body...
In 1909, became youngest student to ever enroll at Harvard at age 11.
Billy graduated from Harvard, cum laude, on June 24, 1914, at age 16. He teach mathematical texts in their original languages but cannot be taken seriously by students many years older than he was...
Billy entered Harvard Law School in 1916.
Billy could learn a whole language in one day!
Billy knew all the languages (approximately 200) of the world, and could translate among them instantly! At 16 years old he was in Anarchist society and he was spoken translator for all languages...
He wrote a book i read under 20 years old "The animate and the inanimate" where he predicted the existence of black hole before Oppenheimer and Chandrasekhar paper and the existence of non living organic matter in the universe with thermodynamical deep  reflections...
He wrote a book "the states and the Tribes"where he reflected about the origin of democracy in America and the Indian and explain their origin...Anyway he know all Indian languages because it wasa passion of his own and he was able to decipher the quipus of south america...
At 11 years at Harvard in 1910 he give a conference about the projection of four dimensional body in 3 D space and he answer question about the New Einstein theory... All is written ...

 

Now what is the main point about Sidis:

To liberate himself from celebrity and exploitation he deecide to be recluse

And exclude all art, sex, and MUSIC of his life... All the feminine asect of life and he lived in his head with few friends but alone in hiding...

Conclusion: Art, love, music is the salt of life and if a man lack of them his soul stiffen...Any man need a woman...

Sidis never touch a woman save one by the hand ONE time in his life at 16 years of age and keep his image on himself all his life even after this woman marry an pother man... He lived without art nor love....Save in his head...

The story of Sidis is so incredible than a biography of his life EXCEED science fiction...

The proof: i read Olaf Stapledon novel of a superhuman man in intelligence "odd John" a very interesting novel about intelligence i read long ago..

The incredible fact is the real Sidis exceed by a huge margin "ood john" himself in precocity and talents ... Why ? Because any novel must stay plausible and credible to be trusted and believed...

 

My point is music convey the spirit which keep our soul alive and keep off our body from drying perhaps....

My other point we are all unequal in gift but if someone here think he is more intelligent than all the others here i will recommend that he read sidis life and this will humble him ....

There is a deep mathematical theorem about the way a set of points are all near one another by relation to a fixed chosen point...

Sidis is my fixed chosen point then we are all equal here in intelligience or near so...

😊😊😊😊😊😊

merry Christmast

 

 

 

«Why do you put your ears near the speakers my friend? I listen to my amplifier»-An audiophile dialogue in inferno

«My amplifier sound way better than my speakers»- An audiophile thinking about an upgrade

«With my electronic equalizer i created the sound i want to taste each passing minute nevermind the music» an anonymus DSP engineer audiophile

«This dac will sound marvellous in ANY room, with ANY gear, and for ANY ear » a seller

«Cables makes a difference ...NO not at all, cables makes no differences... But wait a minute tubes certainly did? i prefer S.S.» Audiophiles arguing

«Keep the room but changes the fuses» An audiophile

«My audio system reproduce exactly the lived original event no doubt!» An anonymus audiophile

«High end costly gear makes a difference in your pocket more than in S.Q. if you dont study physical acoustic and psycho-acoustic »-Myself

 

«I love Wagner»-Nietszche 1868

« Wagner is nuisible »-Nietszche 1888

«Sound is like the body, it can die, but the music stay anyway»-Groucho Marx🤓

«If you know how to whistle anyway you dont need a stereo system»-Roger Whitaker

«Music is beautiful!»- Helen Keller mute,deaf and blind

 

 

«We dont know what the sound/music relation is, anybody pretending to know is a fool, sound is an experience not an equation» A mathematician by formation which is also one of the greatest maestro and one of the greatest philosopher of the 20 th century which i will not name here because this citation is my own interpretation of his 1200 pages book on music experience history...

 

«Only 2 sounds resonated through all the universe in 1945: the explosion of Hiroshima and the AUM sound, extraterrestrial notice the first with the help of the other»- an anonymus whistleblower from secret program..

«Without air no music and no sound» -A physicist

«Sound need air like a fire need wood»- an alchemist

« Music need silence more than sound need air»-a musician

«Bats, blind people, and dolphins see  bodies qualities  with sounds; our spoken words are perhaps way more than we think they are» -Anonymus Smith 

 

In the course to prove that they are much different than one another people buy artefacts, and create new one for the sake of the difference and feel then different at least if not superior...

This is a UNIVERSAL trends...

People are connected by the heart and differ by their bodies...

The spirit experience is the same all over the world but the way this experience manifest itself through the body and through our participation of nature differ...

Now read what Nietszche said:

«Only he who has spirit ought to have possessions: otherwise possessions are a public danger. »

Is it not clear?

Read audio thread where people vouch about gear forgetting the essential key to the experience: acoustic and psycho-acoustic....They think an amplifier is more important than the acoustic link between the gear/room/ears...

In audio experience it is not the possession that define the experience it is acoustic and psycho-acoustic law because the sound/music experience is the same, based on the same science, but artefacts differ and the way this experience manifested itself may differ...

 

 

 

Great post!

You are right about everything in your remarks...

But going back to the Dyonysian experience which inspire Nietszche and his sacred festivities but especially going back to the Mysteries Sacred schools experiment like in Eleusis, which was a center of sprit around for all people of the mediterranean sea, we realized the experience of spirit in Greece is not completely foreing to the ancient hebrew "ruach" perception and experience....

The intimate participation to the spirit mimic one another in Greek and Jews and in all cultures anyway , the spirit experience ultimately is the same, think about NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE for example or out of the body experiences, but the way to express it and partipate to nature differ...

One of the best book on that is Peter Kingsley "reality"....Jews civilization of the Alexandrine period and after it is way more nearer to the Greek that  what we had learned in our younger days...

Alexandria was the cosmopolitan Paris/ Newyork of the ancient world and jews scholars meets there with Greeks even were influenced by Greek thought on a level underestimated completely 50 years ago..

lIsten to this scholar takes about Alexandria era....

Plato All the Way Down: Solving Biblical Mysteries with Russell Gmirkin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsL7m6VSNTM&t=4995s

Just a meaningful anecdote: Egyptian priesthood at the bibliotheca of Alexandria, the biggest in the world collected all documents of ANY political constitution or about philosophy and science they coud grap... They ask Corinthians for example give us your city constituion written document, we will copy it and return you back, in the mean time we will send you a gold warrenty for sure... Corinthians obeyed and accepted the gold send their constitution; but after some years, the Egyptians never answering the Corenthians demands for the retrurn, said keep the gold we keep the constitution and we will send you a copy.... That speak a lot about their passionate urge to collect EVERYTHING ....They ask jews scholars what are your people think about God, your history , etc wrote it for us and we will keep it in the bibliotheca... Guess what comes from it? It is Gmirkin well researched thesis...

 

Humans of all culture are way more similar to one another that they ever think they are, but they dont understand it, they dont want to know it, and they do all they can to prove this wrong...The experience of the spirit is the SAME all over the world, but the way we participate to nature is not....

Humans are connected by the heart and separated by the body....

 

 

 

We must speak sometimes to one another from a wider perspective like the OP wisely suggest...

 

But you are right also for sure in some way about this perilous tentative...

Second, in a forum such as this, it’s a real challenge to adequately express complex philosophical, ethical, religious (spirit-ual) concepts, considering the nature of the medium and its audience. In retrospect, maybe doing so is a fool’s errand.

First there is no noble or vile aspect about materialism...This is meaningless speaking...

Materialism is very easy to understand if we hove hover the history of consiousness and philosophy...I cannot explain it all here... Suffice to say that one of the main philosophical conditions to create a technological HUBRIS "progress" is nominalism.. Study what it is...NOMINALISM DESTROY PARTICIPATION... It is not vile nor noble , it is a subconscious spiritual incrementally unfolding movement from Aristotle to Ockham, an event which ask to be compensate CONSCIOUSLY to keep a spiritual equilibrium, a balance... Is it not simple to understand?

Why ?

Chinese people invented EVERYTHING to be invented BEFORE europeans till the 16 century... This is pure non debatable historical facts...Read Joseph Needham encyclopedia...

Why then China never produced the swift hubris "progress" linked with systematic powerful transformation of life and industry like in Europe? If you say that they were inferior in intelligence let me say to you that you are dead wrong...

I cannot explain all factors but i can pointed to this evident fact: a more BALANCED metaphysical EMBODIED relation with nature pervade all china culture ....Other powerful factors are linked to scripture and ideogrammatic versus alphabet language POWERFUL EFFECT ...I cannot enter in this here...

It is this balanced relation with nature that is destroyed by occidental industrialization in three centuries like described by Blake and many others... Look at the world around you......

Second point: If we cannot know what are precisely the effect of ONE technology in time , we know for sure were all technologies go RIGHT NOW: transhumanist cult of technology which consider the human animal WORKABLE not only economically, psychologically, and politically like Mandeville demonstrated but workable in his BODY...Genetic modifications for example...Read the interview with a scientist i posted above...destruction of natural agriculture, destruction of natural and human medecine, destruction of alimentation etc...CENTRALIZED AGRICULTURE’ ALIMENTATION, MEDECINE and Total control...

It is not Mandeville or William Blake who chase windmills it is you, blind to which is plain to see...I am flabbergasted by the complete ignorance of the soul, the body, the freedom, the dignity of nature, the complete forgetting and oversight of human participation to nature and the nature participation in your own body...

Third point: I am also glad about technology, i am not a luddite...My point is not to go back to cavern but to BREAK FREE OF THE CORPORATE CONTROL OF TECHNOLOGY ....

But Godddam who do you think control ALL technology on earth and for whose benefits?

You are the dude who chase the windmill created by the corporates sleepwalking publicities sorry...Not N. nor Blake nor Mandeville...

Calling Blake or Mandeville useless idiots, deluded one, chasing windmills only reveal the abyssal ignorance where you are complacent...Have you never be HUMBLED by geniuses? Any undertanding of any genius put us in a humble awareness... Only ignorant people consider themselves on par with genius...

Any true student is in constant AWE by genius...Saying that this one or this other one chase widmills means NOTHING....

Do you read news out of the official void and meaningless public journals ?

If my words seems rude think about the way you treat great men putting them aside without even knowing them and claiming to be right...

Ignorance is not an excuse, neurons may work without all information....

I am flabbergasted by the indifference and the complete lightness of some soul in the midst of one of this great world crisis and suffering...

 

School begins anew upon awakening in the morning.

N may have been the last of the romantics. There is a noble aspect in complete materialism in its philosophical definition. As to M and Blake they may be tilting at windmills. Impossible to know with certainty what any repercussions may be with any technology. I for one am glad for a bunch of technology, but concerned as to how the majority responds to all the images and data bombarding them from so many directions. Nature is a salve but does not address a root cause that may be impossible to define. A windmill.

Neither math nor poly.