you must MATURELY argue against or for my point or stay silent...
So now you're setting the terms of an open conversation?
Who died and put you in charge?
You cry out that I'm being political in debates on Covid and climate change when I'm not. You do so because you cite crazy stuff to support you claims that are easily disputed. So you now carry a grudge. What would your philosophical mentors think of you now?
I do, in fact, read your threads and find them tiresome because you prattle on endlessly when you could do it succinctly. You write like it's a dissertation instead of a conversation and that can wear on a person. It turns most people off.
So like the OP, I'm outta here and you can enjoy yourself all you want as you seem be the your own favorite audience, seeming to marvel on all you can say.
All the best,
Nonoise
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I stopped doing this,
because I couldn't remember what I listened to.
All the best,
Nonoise
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@mahgister ,
It's not an either/or situation.
It's not like a faucet: fully on or shut completely off.
It's moderation in everything we do.
All the best,
Nonoise
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The filibuster is busted.
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@sns , great observation on the micromanaging of kids and not having the proper setting to raise them in. Before tags and memes, my parents were the "free range" types who instilled trust in us. The only rules were to be back by dinner time, or before sunset.
Things were different back then which accounts for the results. That could be part of the combo that made us the "greatest generation". Having nature at our disposal allows us to connect and develop. Surrounded by concrete doesn't.
Neither Tom nor Jerry
All the best,
Nonoise
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@hilde45 , that was some great and brilliant animation.
And so on point. Always loved me some Chomsky.
All the best,
Nonoise
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sounds more like conscience to me.
Like I said, it's just a name we give things: an attribute that conforms to how we think and see things. Some provoke more emotion, some less. The trick is to not get caught up in what you ascribe to the point where that "spirit" takes on a life of it's own and becomes a dictum. Then, we're in trouble.
All the best,
Nonoise
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So tempting to link NIN's Heresy..........
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guys we are scaring off the under 90 crowd...
I don't think they understand...
All the best,
Nonoise
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It all boils down to how it completes us and is not reliant on some limited western way of thinking of spirit as an outside force due to some religious affiliation. It all comes from within and we merely project onto other things so as to make us feel whole. It's how we relate.
Nothing that metaphysical about it. It's a means of dealing with nature, objects and reflects the character of the one projecting. We do it all the time in life without thinking or being aware of it, unless we transgress others wrongly.
I'm an atheist and yet I find it easy enough to "grok", which could make it just a matter of choice in understanding something. We all put names to things.
All the best,
Nonoise
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Domestication of animals is linked with their anthropomorphisation, our own humanity is born from animals and plants...Cutting this link is loosing ourselves...
I like this part. We are part of a chain and not above or apart of it. Cutting the link is where we lose ourselves. That is hubris and an error.
All the best,
Nonoise
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Humans tend to imbue things with qualities not present. Personification of animals comes to mind. Seems reasonable that we'd imbue inanimate objects with a part of ourselves as well, maybe even more than an animal since it hasn't life of it's own until we complete the process.
When it becomes a part of us, it becomes an extension of us. All of us: the good and the bad. I feel it true that pets are an extension of their owners so it must fall that our personal possessions are an extension of us as well.
The danger lies in what these possessions, in return, enable in us, further in us.
We contribute to art with our systems, which in turn, return the compliment. It completes us. It becomes a selfless, self gratifying endeavor to reach out and share with others which is powerfully rewarding.
As mentioned, a danger lies in hubris, when some think their connection to art and system is the only true answer.
All the best,
Nonoise
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The sad thing is, it's all a choice, and a conscious one at that. The spirit that could lead one to a better place has been intentionally disregarded for the data, however false, so as to take it's place and give meaningless, unrequited solace so one can do the unthinkable.
The more one does such things, the more it solidifies the actions and hardens the resolve to do more damage to those that prefer to function as a community, as it was always intended, for it is in community, that spirit, when practiced, is strengthened.
Unfortunately, the resultant, forced community of the false data driven can have the same sense and strength of community through rote practice but lacks the natural conviction and ease of living that resultantly benefits the spirit guided community.
It's probably why they're so angry all the time. They've created a world that isn't fulfilling which requires them to attack others instead of looking within.
All the best,
Nonoise
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Shinto refers to spirit or holy powers that reside in everything from landscapes to objects to forces of nature and not just that of ancestors. I wonder if Nietzsche studied that or was it just coincidence. Different cultures have arrived at similar beliefs despite geography and time. Maybe Marie Kondo studied Nietzsche and didn't have that epiphany that led her to tidy things up and keep just what gives us joy. 🤔
All the best,
Nonoise
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The way you state it, pretty cool.
If I may, I think I relate to what you say with regards to a painting I have. It's one of Balthus' work entitled, Katia Lisant. I saw a poster of it at a friends house but could never locate a reproduction until I came upon a Chinese company that does it for any artist you care to name on giant printers.
They also have the option of having one of their art students paint it. I opted for the painted version knowing it wouldn't look exactly like the original but in the end, I prefer the painting much more than the exacting copy of the original.
Firstly, it is a painting and not a virtual knock off masquerading as the original.
Secondly, it has some serious weight of it's own in that the artist really put their heart into painting something that they knew wasn't exactly like the original, but possessed of it's own soul and beauty. It comes close but not at the expense of being an "original" on it's own (like a well made recreation of music in your listening room).
I was lucky to have had that particular art student to do this as another I had done wasn't up to the standard of the first and I had to order one of the printed reproductions.
All the best,
Nonoise
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Nothing like a deeply depressed philosopher to add a little zest to the audio group. Things are feeling better around here already.
This isn't helping.....
All the best,
Nonoise
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Wait a damn minute now! Are you saying I've been filling this big, empty hole in my soul with the wrong stuff for the wrong reasons?
All the best,
Nonoise
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Yea, those wafers were always rather dry and bland.
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