Over the good part of this past year I’ve been beta testing a new tweak, the name of which is "Total Contact." Its a hi-bred graphene contact enhancer that is different from all other contact enhancers that have come and gone for one reason or another. I’m not new to these contact enhancers, having had quite a bit of experience with a product developed by the late Brian Kyle and his "Quick Silver" contact enhancer. The "Total Contact" is different ... a LOT different.
"Total Contact" is graphene based and is not a vibration control. It eliminates micro-arching between two contacts. Micro-arching, much like Micro-vibration smears the sound in our stereo systems. Its the type of distortion that we don’t know is there .... until we eliminate it. There is no break-in as we know it. The sound is improved right off the bat, but what you hear is only a smidgen of what’s to come.
I tested three generations of "TC," each of which was an improvement over the previous incarnation. The final mix was cryogenitically treated and made for a more effective, much smoother application. It comes in a large hypodermic needle type plunger containing 1.5 ml of product and includes a instructional DVD and an application brush.
The application should be applied with a very thin coat to all of your electrical connections .... from your cartridge pins to your power cords. I did my entire system, including the ends of my fuses.
Upon initial application, you will notice an improvement in clarity, correctness of tonal balance and a more overall organic sound. But ... that is just scratching the surface of what this magic paste does. As it cures, the improvements become more apparent. Much more!
There are two real break-through events that happen almost to the day with "Total Contact," one at four weeks and another at eight weeks . At four weeks, you’ll get a real jump in clarity and overall improvement. That’s only a taste though of what’s to come at eight weeks. At eight weeks your system’s focus will make a jump in SQ that is so real - its surreal.
After 40 years in the hobby, and a total tweak nut, I have never heard anything that does what this graphene paste does. The see-through clarity at eight weeks becomes simply amazing. The "paste" eventually cures into a kind of polymer plastic and it seems that the sound improves with each listening session. So, its important that you leave your contacts alone for the duration. If you’re the type of person that continually switches wires in and out, you’ll have to re paste until enough time has elapsed to get "the cure."
The only problem I had was with the first batch and that had to do with shorting out a tube pin in the line stage. Use the "TC" very sparingly on tube pins, if at all. I only had problems with the line stage tube pins. The Amp, CD Player and Phono Stage has had no tube pin problems at all.
Tim Mrock, one of our fellow A’goners, is the developer of the product. Its taken Tim 15 years and several patents to get it right. Tim has "pasted" every electrical contact he can find in his audio system, all of the switches in his circuit breaker box, every contact in his car ... and has used it in commercial applications such as hospital circuit breakers, surgical lights ... and other places where efficiency and long life of electrical components are deemed important.
This product is highly recommended to anyone who truly wants to get the most out of his/her audio systems. There’s enough product in each tube to do at least two audio systems as it just takes a very thin coat on each application to be effective. The last tube was enough to do my system twice and then a friend’s system this past weekend.
Frank
PS: There were a couple of other A’goner beta testers of this product as well. Hopefully, they will chime in here with their experiences for comparison. I "pasted" both of Steve Fleschler’s systems a few days ago, perhaps he will comment on his results too. We forgot to paste Steve’s power cords though, so there’s a lot more to be had from Steve’s two fantastic systems.
"There's the rub, and if Special Hat Racks, aluminum Ju Ju Bee "transducers," Magic Goo that allows the path of an existing audio signal to be enhanced into something beyond itself ..."
Quick! Close the patent office. "Everything that can be invented has already been invented."
Since it’s going to be a long time before my can of Deoxit runs out, I plan to wait patiently to see if the audio community at large embraces the Magic Goo, and consequently wakes up to what is seemingly an epidemic of micro-arching. There’s a reason that "fabulousness" and hyperbole regarding products you didn’t know you needed is generally ignored by all but the "magic tweak faithful" and their agreeable wives, and that’s the fact that regardless of the relentless support of the salespeople involved in hyping these things, the audio geek marketplace overall actually isn’t so gullible. In threads nearly identical to each other, product promoters finding a product priced at a point that is often multiples of the cost of an established and generally accepted thing (Like Litelfuse stuff and Deoxit…both inexpensive and generally accepted as about as good as it gets), market it hard (and cheaply…like on a free forum) with floridly exaggerated subjective claims one dare not dispute (naysayers, negative Nancys, under qualified critics, trolls, left handed calligraphers). There’s the rub, and if Special Hat Racks, aluminum Ju Ju Bee "transducers," and Magic Goo that allows the path of an existing audio signal to be enhanced into something beyond itself ("Micro-arching Causes Brain Damage" news at 11!), do become accepted by the marketplace of perhaps rational listeners and their wives (or reviewed by reviewers not in the tight clutch of the magic enhancement sales fringe), you can count me in!
The first incarnation of TC was fantastic in its own right. Both the 4 week and 8 week breakthroughs occurred for me.
The second incarnation was smoother with fewer black "chunks" of graphene, which were reduced to little "specks." I got the same results with the second batch as I did with the first batch. Fantastic.
The third and final version was treated cryogenically and came out much smoother and was easier to apply. It was a through mix.
In treating connections with all three, I found the sound to be about the same. Very close. This is why I said to you that after treating your complete system with the first product, leaving it on for several weeks, and not hearing any difference, or it even being a detraction, that getting a sample and using it just to paste your fuse ends would be a moot point. I mean, if you couldn’t hear the improvements made by the first batch, you won’t hear the improvements afforded by the third batch on the fuses ends either.
So far, you and "your audio buddies" are the first to try it without getting a positive result. All of my audio buddies have been blown away with what they’ve heard.
Its not that I don’t believe you, Ozzy ... but something is going on and is not right. I was going to say perhaps "system dependent," but then there are those "audio buddies" of yours who didn’t get good results either.
Maybe we can get to the bottom of things. How about listing what their systems consist of and what connections they pasted and what they didn’t paste. How long did they leave it on before removing it? How long was their listening tests?
If they didn’t like the product, there must be some reason why. You didn’t say what it did that they didn’t like. Is there a common denominator here somewhere between your system and theirs where we could determine that it IS system dependent in some way?
So far you’ve enlightened us with Ozzy’s dilemma and commented on what Geoff is thinking .... but you don’t speak for anyone else? Meh!
You also said this:
"Right now you are coming off as a a combination of the archetypes of the used car salesman ..."
Yeppers, Jay, I guess you didn’t mention used car salesmen either ... except in the post alluded to above. <Geeze!>
What, in your opinion, would an ’archetype’ of a used car salesman be? Have you ever sold cars for a living, Jay? Do you have any car salesmen in the family, or count any of them among your friends? What are you basing your opinion on, Jay?
So Jay ... what is your intent in posting here? So far, I see nothing positive in your contributions. You ask a lot of questions, which is okay by me, but you never seem to be satisfied with the answers. Are you truly interested in Tim’s product, or are you just trying to stir the pot and trying to pull chains?
If I haven’t answered a question thoroughly enough, what is it?
Have you checked with A'gon and asked them what the return policy is? I believe that was the final unanswered question, wasn't it?
Thanks for the response. I hope Tim agrees. If the product lasts 6 months and I only have to use a small amount I will return the balance priority mail ASAP.
@ozzy Sounds like a reasonable proposal to me. If Tim doesn't want to risk a full vial of TC, he could at least send you enough to try at several contact points that would allow you to see if gen.3 is the big deal that the flatterers here attest it to be.
In Mr. Mrok's favor, to have a former naysayer be converted to a product supporter would give TC gravitas beyond what the flatterers have stated.
For the record, I did share the product sample that I received with several of my audio buddies and none of them liked it.
But again, I had the 1st version not the latest version. SO maybe, just maybe it has been improved. I mean why 3 versions then?
I do think Tim needs to come to the plate and provide me the latest and greatest version to prove to me and anyone else that the product I received to sample was an anomaly and has been improved with the final version. If I like it I will pay for it, if not I will return everything.
I promise to post my thoughts even if I have to admit that the new product is awesome like so many of you have stated in this thread.
I believe I have a good reputation on Audiogon and will be totally honest about it.
So, not only are you speaking for Ozzy, but now you’re an agent for Geoff too?
Off topic, Jay? I asked you if you had ever held a 100% commissioned job in response to your prejudiced diatribe regarding used car salesmen. That kind of prejudice is based upon ignorance and fear. Its true that the average American is conditioned to not like and not trust salespeople, but that is based upon what, other than prejudice?
Frank,
I don’t speak for anyone else, nor am I an agent for anyone else, unlike you. You made an open question, to which I answered. Geoff is free to answer if I was incorrect about his intent. The rest of the comment stands.
I have not said one word about used car salesmen. I merely made a comparison of them and you. If there is a negative connotation and/or prejudice to derive from used cars salesmen, that just reflects your actions, intents, and/or writings are negative.
To me the threads for the fuses and TC are some of the most interesting to read. I really am not interested one way or another whether or not the fuses or TC are "fantastic" or "snake oil". I have no interest in them at this time, as I have other hobbies that are priorities, but say to each his own.
But the banter between the so called "believers" and the so called "naysayers" is world class and fun to read. This is why I read these threads.
That said, I will give two to one odds that tommylion has his eight week epiphany in the seventh week. "Just having a little fun 😉"
The point is it worked, when there were plenty of people who were positive it couldn’t. And look what it led to. There are tons of examples, history is littered with them. I'm sure you get my drift.
Just having a little fun 😉 You should be up for the Wet Blanket of the Year award.
"Geoff recognizes when a tangential comment is made that is completely off topic. You obviously do not recognize irony either. It is clear you just do not get it."
So, not only are you speaking for Ozzy, but now you’re an agent for Geoff too?
Off topic, Jay? I asked you if you had ever held a 100% commissioned job in response to your prejudiced diatribe regarding used car salesmen. That kind of prejudice is based upon ignorance and fear. Its true that the average American is conditioned to not like and not trust salespeople, but that is based upon what, other than prejudice?
shadrorne sez ...
"This blatant promotional advertising thread is like the energizer bunny. It just keeps going and going and going. Over 1000 posts....on and on and on. 100% commission sales requires some heavy promotional work I guess."
Its interesting that you continue returning to this thread, Shadrorne, while at the same time complaining that the thread "keeps going and going and going ...."
For what purpose do you continue posting in this thread? I’ve asked you continually what your intent is, and you have yet to answer it. You don’t believe in the product, have no intention of buying it, and yet, you continue to be disruptive in this thread. Why? Again ... what is your intent?
Yep, I have over 1000 posts, but geeze man, I’m just a piker compared with you and your 6627 posts. Kettle calling the pot black?
This blatant promotional advertising thread is like the energizer bunny. It just keeps going and going and going. Over 1000 posts....on and on and on. 100% commission sales requires some heavy promotional work I guess. TC is to Audiogon as exercise machines/weight loss are to cable TV
^^^ And the purpose of those last two posts was what, exactly?
Geoff recognizes when a tangential comment is made that is completely off topic. You obviously do not recognize irony either. It is clear you just do not get it.
Maybe one day you'll realize that you do as much damage as you do good. If you don't know the answer, don't attempt to answer the question with some verbose rubbish. Let Tim come out from underneath his rock, since you say he reads every message.
1. What do you know about the situation betweem Ozzy and Tim? Are you aware of anything other than what was posted in this thread? If not, you’re really not qualified to speak on the situation. If you had both sides of the story, then you’d be able to make a fair assessment.
2. How old is my final beta product? Answer is several months. However, I still have some left of the first and second tube ... and they are still viable.
3. See one.
4. Different issues? What issues are you alluding to? Do you think inflation is a natural occurance?
5. It is what it is. And you’re correct, the true mettle is in trying the product in one’s own system. At what point are you going to do that?
6. Are you alluding to Ozzy’s review? Other than that, I’m not familiar with any negative reviews.
And, sorry ... but I’m not familiar with A’gon’s return policy. I’m not the principle here, but only an observer, tester and reporter. For the answer, if I were you, I’d contact A’gon directly, or send a PM to Tim Mrock.
7. Well, with the exception of the return policy, have your questions been answered to your satisfaction so far?
8. You’re right again ... I DID use my room mate example in the Blue fuse thread. I was thinking it was in the TC thread when I posted about it last time. Simple mistake ... thanks for pointing it out.
9.
"Right now you are coming off as a a combination of the archetypes of the used car salesman and the white knight."
Have you ever sold for a living, Jay? Have you ever had a job that pays on a 100% commision basis? Just wondering ....
1 a : based on fantasy (see 1fantasy 3) : not real b : conceived or seemingly conceived by unrestrained fancy "fantastic new space and nuclear weapons" —Jack Raymond c : so extreme as to challenge belief : unbelievable a fantastic industrial complex of steel, coal, machine tools, and other heavy industries —M. S. Handler ; broadly : exceedingly large or great spent fantastic sums on his library 2 : marked by extravagant fantasy or extreme individuality : eccentric fantastic works of art
I treated the flat screen power chord (stock chord and no power conditioning) and the dnm interconnect to the dnm preamp with the TC on Sunday afternoon. I did not give it much thought, since I had not watched much television. However on Monday evening after about a five minutes of watching a basketball game, I was pleasantly surprised as to the amount of detail and clarity in the audio. It was definitely not on par with the hi-fi but still noticeable and easier to listen to.
I noticed only a slight improvement on the picture but it’s a nice bonus.
1. Tim is not running a restaurant. Again, what is between Tim and Ozzy is between Tim and Ozzy.
2. Shelf life: Its working for me.
3. First, Tim’s customer service is first rate. Take the time to read the responses regarding Tim’s service in this thread. The fact that Ozzy has his nose out of joint has no reflection on Tim’s service.
4. Yeppers, I’m an old guy all right. You’re correct, Austrian economics HAS been under attack for just about a hundred years in this country. Who’s doing the attacking though? Marxists? Progressives? Those who believe in massive debt and fiat money? Isn’t a 21 trillion dollar debt and a trillion dollar budget shortage enough for you guys?
5. Obviously clear, Jay ... if you would take the time to read the thread from the beginning, you’d find that a lot of your questions have already been answered.
6. Return policy "side stepped?" Again, read the thread from its inception.
Now then, is there anything else standing in the way of your purchase?
Frank
So Jay ... For the third time: Have your questions been answered to your satisfaction, or is there still something standing in the way of your purchase?
Frank,
1. This is no longer a situation of something between ozzy and Tim. The restaurant example was an analogy that applies to all businesses. Tim admitted to purposely not replying to a customer’s email. This should be a basic courtesy, and is a poor sign on his customer service. He has yet to own up to this, has he?
2. This is still you avoiding the question. How old is your production, read NOT BETAS, TC?
3. See 1.
4. That is a sign of different issues. It has no relevance on the economic principles, and whether huge money is in the pocket books of those applying them.
5. Even if I read through all 22 pages. Most of it is filled with hyperbole, and what Geoff has named the The Last Tweak Syndrome. There is little talk of preferences, goals, and systems. I might dig further when I have time, but a sample, or 1/2 unit would a no brainer. I think you would agree that no matter what anyone says, the true mettle of an audio product is trying it in one’s own system.
6. Again sidestepping the negative review. As to the return policy, if it is different from what Audiogon states, then I would appreciate if you just said so. What is the return policy?
I have laid out THREE questions very clearly. When you answer them, then you can continue your response of "Have your questions been answered to your satisfaction," when you should know they currently have not. Right now you are coming off as a a combination of the archetypes of the used car salesman and the white knight.
Steve ...
During my first listening session after applying TC for the first time, I was playing an excellent recording of a female voice. My room mate, no audiophile himself, came out of his room and said ... "It sounds so clear that I really thought someone was singing in the living room." This from a guy who had never even seen a high end system before moving in here.
Frank
You used this same example with the Synergistic fuse. I always find it humorous when people continue to use this example. "Of course it works! Even my non-audiophile wife/daughter/son/friend/roommate/neighbor/dog/cat/gerbil/pet fish/rabbit...can hear the difference." My favorite, "my son knows how it’s supposed sound, he’s in his high school band!" 😂
During my first listening session after applying TC for the first time, I was playing an excellent recording of a female voice. My room mate, no audiophile himself, came out of his room and said ... "It sounds so clear that I really thought someone was singing in the living room." This from a guy who had never even seen a high end system before moving in here.
No, the changes were made incrementally. The full TC treatment was also added to my living room CD only audio system which only had the SR Blue Fuse and SR Black duplex, otherwise, no room treatment at all (great room acoustics). My wife liked the sound before and after treatment there where she generally prefers listening to her rock CDs. The TC opened the soundstage, increased the resolution and deepened the bass. After that change, I installed two Mapleshade 2" platforms replacing the 1" granite slabs under the bottom firing woofer of Signature IIIs. This made the system increase in depth, bass definition and seamless highs. So these were two complementary changes. My wife says the system rocks. She has a biology degree from Stonybrook U. and was the top IT business analyst at Reology for title/escrow programming until retiring No dummy and can't be fooled easily. If she doesn't approve of a change, she let's me know in no uncertain terms.
2017-I install my friend’s latest cables, the SR blue fuse and TC without changing the room treatments. My wife finds the Focuses sound to bright and aggressive. Reason-the openess exposed the bad slap echo and other acoustic problems in my room. 2018-Solution-SR HFTs (2 sets), SR speaker kits (1 pair) and removable of all baffles, diffusers, other hard surfaces in the room. Result-she likes listening to her music again.
there are alot of changes mentioned. did they all need to happen at the same time. do you think that you could have achieved the same results with less changes? it is not really clear what TC has done in this case?
more resolution usually means more room excitement, although not always, and room changes or treatments can change the sound alot.
I have, however, heard a ton of UNexpectation bias though ... all from those who haven’t seen the product, touched the product, heard the product or used the product.
yes, it is annoying, isn’t it
TC seems to be a good product, one poster found it not god enough, and several to many posters have found it really good
My wife would not listen to her music (rock) when we first met when I had Martin Logan Monolith IIIs and Quests. No bass, no dynamics, poor listening area. I was driving them with Audio Research Classic 60s and an AR SP14. Maybe it wasn't sufficient power. Enter the Focuses and Sig IIIs. No problem for 18 years with more powerful tube amps and higher end tube gear for the last 15 years.
2017-I install my friend's latest cables, the SR blue fuse and TC without changing the room treatments. My wife finds the Focuses sound to bright and aggressive. Reason-the openess exposed the bad slap echo and other acoustic problems in my room. 2018-Solution-SR HFTs (2 sets), SR speaker kits (1 pair) and removable of all baffles, diffusers, other hard surfaces in the room. Result-she likes listening to her music again.
Enter the SR Atmosphere XL4. Placed in front of the speakers, tremendous increase in dynamics, detail and tone intensity. She really likes it when dialing in Amplify setting for heavy metal and hard rock. For me, it sounds like horn speakers dynamically, panel speakers for detail and triode amplification for tone depth. So far, so good. These are repeatable results.
As to the TC, fuse and cable changes, my wife noticed the difference immediately and I didn't tell what I did. The other acoustical tweaks she could see. I didn't tell her what the differences were, just asked her what do you hear, do you like it or not. She is not an audiophile. It didn't require 10 blind tests to get an answer.
Hello Mark... For ’me’ it’s not about the equipment improvements made in this hobby any longer,which by the way,I have enjoyed tremendously for most of my life..but now rather.. how much more the music ’serves my way of life’...instead of ’me serving the gear’..if that makes any sense to you. I don’t enjoy getting all worked up over whether or not my kit sounds as good as it can as in times past,so in that sense,I have hit the proverbial brick wall..jumping off the carousel. I now happily enjoy being more in service to the music I love.. than the means to that end.
With that being said...I use Audiogon more as a resource for the entertainment value and used gear pricing...than for anything else... Horses for courses.
PS...I still love tube rolling. That is one tweak with great merit. 8)
...I was suggesting to have someone apply the tweak at some point in the 10 trials, and see if you can say at which time it was changed. It could be on the 3rd time, or the 6th, or whatever. But the piece must be played for the 10 (or whatever the plan is) times.
That’s not 10 trials; that's using 10 samples in one single trial. Big difference! You can’t get valid results from any test that relies on just one trial.
If I were presented with the blind test you alluded to, I believe I could tell the difference between the system with and without the TC treatment. The difference at my place was night and day.
^^^ Now you're talking. Its all about the music. Personally,. I can't seem to tear myself away from the system. I was up at 4:30 this morning listening to music. At some point, I'm going to have to get a full nights sleep.
I applied TC to my remaining Power Cord as well as the USB cable running from my server to the DAC.
Proceeded to turn on Tidal and play "Tin Pan Alley" by Stevie Ray Vaughn. The moment the intro came on, there was a huge smile on my face :) How is this possible? Who cares, I just closed my eyes and let the music flowwwwww.
^^^ I haven’t heard any "expectation bias" regarding TC. I have, however, heard a ton of UNexpectation bias though ... all from those who haven’t seen the product, touched the product, heard the product or used the product. :-)
If I heard the same piece of music ten times, then had someone apply TC to my speaker cables, I’m positive I would hear the difference ....and I’m no fried chicken either.
Frank
Just to clarify, I was suggesting to have someone apply the tweak at some point in the 10 trials, and see if you can say at which time it was changed. It could be on the 3rd time, or the 6th, or whatever. But the piece must be played for the 10 (or whatever the plan is) times. As I said I am not big on blind testing but it would be very easy to tell the difference between my old Ref 3 and my Ref 6. If the difference is profound as it has been described, I would think it would be obvious and audible.
What we have here is an excellent example of what I like to call The Last Tweak Syndrome, something we tend to see a lot of on threads like this. What is The Last Tweak Syndrome, you ask? Well, it’s when someone says something to the effect, WOW, I’ve been in this hobby for 40 years and my system never sounded this good. Or, I’ve tried a lot of great tweaks, but this one put me at a brand new level I never thought existed. Even my wife agrees this is the best sound we ever had. But when a new tweak pops up, let’s say a new fuse, for example, the gushing starts anew, Holy cow, I’m in awe, this can’t be happening, and I thought the last one was the end of the road! He has just experienced The Last Tweak Syndrome. 🤠
aolmrd1241, I get your point of view here, I think. My sense is you have reached a point where you no longer believe a change would satisfy any meaningful improvement (other than short-term). I get that. I only ask to understand; why do you even use Audiogon as a resource? Not asking to be combative, but; I would suspect most who use this resource are intrigued by advancements and new technology.
In which an unwitting troll surveys the scene and promptly offers a whole lotta veiled and not so veiled innuendo and so forth. Which reminds me, we need to start a thread, How Small Can Something Be and Still have a Major Impact on the Sound?
As human beings,we all tend to have an insatiable desire for the next best thing.. just around the corner..from our minds skewed perspective. If and when we do get there.. the feeling/desire wears off over a little bit of time and we’re right back we started from.. looking for the next best thing/fix. All things audio [and lots of other material goods also] fit this bill to a tee. Manufacturers of audio equipment/accessories know this all to well,hence,the never ending tweak or newest greatest component upgrade.. to keep one on the merry-go-round.. trying to fulfill the void within oneself..and of course..other people’s wallets. In my waning years,I no longer place that much importance on the small things in life..time is way to short.
I threw my rose colored glasses in the garbage years ago. As always... ymmv.
I used to be a dyed in the wool fan of planer speakers. I went through Acoustat 3’s, Acoustat 4’s and Martin Logan electrostatic speakers. I honestly believed that they were the end all in transparency. Well, they were enjoyable speakers, but the bass and extended highs were missing, plus, they just didn’t move enough air.
Enter the Legacy Signature III’s. At 93db efficiency, my ARC REF-75-SE is just coasting no matter what I play. There’s three 10" woofers to take care of the bass and ribbon tweeters to take care of the highs. After applying several new tweaks over the past couple of years, the Legacy’s are every bit as transparent as any planer speaker I’ve owned.
1. Herbie’s tube dampeners on every tube in the system.
2. SR Blue fuses throughout the system.
3. SR HFT’s ... a ten pack and follow the directions.
4. Total Contact - simply amazing.
It may be a cumulative effect, but at the 8-week point after pasting with TC, the transparency, 3-D presentation, organic tonal balance and the dynamics at times are so close to real that I keep thinking its impossible. But, it is what it is ... and that’s pretty fantastic. The system is WAY beyond where I ever thought it could be.
So Jay ... For the third time: Have your questions been answered to your satisfaction, or is there still something standing in the way of your purchase? If you’re ready to start enjoying the product for yourself, here’s the link to order:
jay23, have you tried the product? If no, why are you posting because there is really no need for you to post these negative posts. These sort of posts are really quite disrupting to the thread and are really not reasonable.
One person has tried it and didn't like it enough and posted that it dulled his system. If you do not want to try TC that is
reasonable. If you want it for free, well, that probably won't happen, which is reasonable.
If you are thinking about purchasing it then like me and others it is probably best to simply read the posts about the performance of TC and hopefully glean enough information about TC, and peoples systems, to try it or not.
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