New Accuphase Amplifier Experience


I've just completed my months long replacement of my system with the addition of the Accuphase P-4600 Amplifier. This is their new A/AB Amp.

For context my previous systems was:

Macbook Server/Streamer

Benchmark DAC3 HGC

Benchmark ABH2

ATC SCM11 Speakers

 

New System:

Aurender N20 Streamer

MSB Discrete DAC

Accuphase P-4600 Amplifier

Harbeth 7ES-XD Speakers

Each new component added was a significant upgrade to performance and SQ. The Accuphase was the last and a conflicting one for me as the ABH2 is an excellent amp and IMHO the best you can get under 5K. It is very neutral yet has an impactful bass, plenty of detail and smooth highs. However I did find the upper mid and lower treble a little too neutral and what some might call clinical or thin. That was really the only fault. The soundstage while not expansive has a nice width and decent depth. Its really a pleasant listen and not at all fatiguing. But I felt I could do better now that I had a more revealing system. After auditioning several amps on my list (Bryston 4b3 and Maciintosh 462) I found the Accupahse to have the sound I enjoyed the most. It was also the most expensive. But I decided that since this was probably my last system I would get what I wanted. So after getting a good deal at BEK HiFi in Allentown PA I ordered it the end of March and unfortunately missed the April shipment from Japan so I didnt get it until June 3. It comes well packed with a shipping weight of 80 pounds with the unit at 66 pounds. I felt getting the heavy box home would be an issue but Eric at BEK HiFi offered to deliver it with his dad and set it up for me even though he is a 90 minute drive from my house in southern NJ. While we listened Eric and his father Barry and I had a good hours conversation about music and audio equipment. I can highly recommend BEK Hi Fi. Very easy to do business and very accommodating.

Once out of the box and on the floor I surprised myself. I was able to pick it up the amp and place on the shelf. My upper arm weight exercise is paying off. 

I connected the amp and powered it with my audiophile power cable and started listening. It sounded really good for a new component and continued to do so for the next day as well. Then, as most of us do, I decided to read the Manual. In it Accupahse has very specific statements about use. Once that stood out was:

"Using a power cord other than the one provided is PROHIBITED. If you use a different cord it must meet the specifications defined by Accuphase"

. Which means essentially one that is exactly the same as the supplied cord.

This was actually listed as a WARNING. Very odd. So I decided to swap the power cable and use the one supplied by Accuphase. Well at least in my experience the sound improved significantly. It wasn't subtle. So I guess Accuphase knows what they're doing concerning power cords.The stock cord will stay.

The power cord I had I purchased to address those issues I mentioned about the ABH2 and it worked well adding some warmth to the mids  and lower treble as well as adding depth to the soundstage. Good synergy. But It was missing the target with the Accuphase. I think because the Accupahse did not have the issues the ABH2 did so the cable was warming it too much and making those areas too prominent. Power cable/Amp matching can be challenging.

The Accupahse SQ is somewhere between a very good SS amp with open smooth highs, plenty of detail, and a solid impactful bass and a very good tube amp with a slightly warm rich midrange and lower treble. The soundstage is very wide with ample depth and instrument separation. Its a beautiful presentation that can be listened to for hours without fatigue. From Large scale classical to jazz, pop it just sounds smooth and relaxed. Vocals in particular are really life like and full. 

Accuphase support tells me the amp will not deliver its best and really open up until 200-300 hours of break-in. So hopefully some additional improvements yet to come.

While waiting those two months for the amp to be delivered I had moments of buyer's remorse as the Benchmark ABH2 sounded really good in the new system. I had to keep reminding myself of what I experienced while demoing the Accuphase. Was it worth a price more than 3x the Benchmark? Well I can tell you now I would not want to go back to the Benchmark. So yes I guess it was. .

 

 

 

jfrmusic

Congratulations! I own the E470 integrated, I love it and I agree with your description of the Accuphase house sound.

How does that stock power cord look like?

You nailed the Accuphase sound! The upstream components are equally important and you have certainly chosen wisely with N20 and MSB. I can easily see this beautiful system as your end game. Enjoy! 

PS: I am using aftermarket power cord and it complements Accuphase handsomly, a huge upgrade from stock power cord. I encourage you to experiment with PC’s once P-4600 fully broken-in. 

@donquichotte 

It looks like regular block power cord. 
 

@lalitk

What Accuphase component do you have?

What power cord are you using?

Congrats on the new amp jfrmusic and that is a serious overall system upgrade it must sound amazing!

I found it interesting about the warning on the power cord from Accuphase. I have a Bryston amplifier, 4BSST2 that would go in safe mode every once in a while. I called Bryston tech support and their first question was: "Are you using a non-stock power cord"? Evidentially some of those cords can cause issues, don't know why, but tech support seems to think so. The problem turned out to be a ground loop which I was able to resolve.

@jfrmusic  Thank you.

@lalitk  wow, that is a seriously expensive power cord! Any "second best" option you could recommend at half the price or less?

@donquichotte 

Consider HIJIRI SM2R-L "SOUND MATTER" Power Cord at nearly half the price of TAKUMI. Under $1K, check out Zavfino or Audio Envy.  

Now your going to make me listen to one of those accuphase amps.should not have read this.enjoy that system sounds like you found the sweet spot and more important a good American family father son to help in a great dealership that's hard to find these days.enjoy the music.

@mark200mph 

Yes you need to audition the Accuphase amps. They have their own unique presentation but I warn you once you hear it you will want one. 

@jfrmusic 

You can buy Zavfino and Audio Envy cables direct from their website.  HIJIRI cables are sold exclusively by Colin @gestalt in Nashville. 

I have long been a fan of hacky face power amps especially the class A (AXX) versions using mosfets. That said not so much a fan of their preamps (2850) which I have owned even the top of the line one.

Interestingly my preferences when it comes to Mark Levinson products of 20 years ago or just the opposite love the preamp (32) hate the amps (33x).

@jfrmusic congrats! ..after 40yr Hi-Fi voyage, I moved to Accuphase pre/pwr amps, (C-2450, A-48, P-4500) ASL/ASLC rca/xlr cables, and really enjoy the sound! I would recommend to look Accuphase pre, such as C-2450 with AD-2850 (or AD-2900) phono, which has two separate inputs, and perfect S/N ratio. I have RF tower EM noise in my area, and after moving to Accuphase I forgot all issues’ in the past! Accuphase pre has (free :-)) sounding amazing headphone amp, and plenty of phase correction, tone, filtering options, all’ very handy to deal with different recoding styles. 

Accuphase is very popular in Japan, and this says a lot. Japanese are crazy audiophiles and ready to pay insane amounts for what they really like, either Japanese equipment or not. Many listen to tubes exclusively, though.

@lalitk what length/gauge AC PWR wiring do you have, and how far it is from street transformer? I like nice cables, but many aftermarket cable stuff is just gold painted junk.. need to be careful with cables, because bad termination’ could damage contacts of amp IEC receptacle… same applies to RCAs/XLRs

@westcoastaudiophile 

 

I use the MSB DAC direct into the Accuphase amp plus I have digital only system so really no need fora preamp. I had a Benchmark HPA4 and it didn’t sound any better than going direct. If I did need a preamp I would likely get the Accuphase 2300. 

@jfrmusic C-2300 pre looks cool! four freq. tone control is interesting! I decided a while ago to buy excellent quality analog or digital devices, not mixed ones.. analog stuff these days “never get old”, while digital units age very fast :-).  

That’s why I bought the  MSB DAC. If you trade up they will give you full list price of current unit in trade. Plus there are always firmware updates as the DAC doesn’t use a chip. 

@westcoastaudiophile

I am using 1.5M lengths on all of my PC’s. I could get away with 1.0M but extra .05M really helps with routing them away from signal cables. No issues with connectors, the PC’s are strategically terminated with custom-made rhodium-plated plugs by Wattgate.

lalitk, I see you have E-650 integrated, which is class A amp. class A amps have relatively stable current at different sound volume level, which helps to reduce transient current in incoming power, thus amp self-induced voltage drop is minimal. my question was about your house ac pwr wiring, length, gauge etc. simple way to check if house wiring is okay to turn on vacuum cleaner and look at lights if they are dim or not. if lights dim when vacuum (or refrigerator) turns on, then IR drop issue is not in IEC cable.