If you’re only using the two speakers you don’t need or want the Pioneer involved at all. Using a splitter isn’t optimal, but in this case you’re probably much better off using one with the NAD and something like this might work (also sold through Amazon that might be better for returns/shipping).
https://bigjeffaudio.com/products/big-jeff-audio-1-to-3-pair-cockbox-rca-splitter-distribution-block
If you need the AVR involved for TV or something you can still use it with the NAD, but I’d need to know more if that’s the case.
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@soix
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Yep, keep the AV equipment out of the two channel system. It will sound better. Build from there.
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What more would you need to know? My thing is I still want to use both amps and my sub but like I said the NAD has 1 set of preouts, ( left and right) and the NAD has no sub out so how can I still incorporate both amps and a subwoofer with only a l/ r preout??
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Use a splitter like the one I linked above.
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@spoonman16510 I read that an external preamp can be hooked up to an av receiver, how would I do that??
You have what you need using the 1:3 splitter recommendation and keeping the Pioneer avr out of the mix for many reasons others have suggested.
WHY are you thinking you still need the Pioneer AVR in the mix, and for some other reason you’ve not shred yet here? For what purpose does it still serve?
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It's not that I'm dead set on keeping the receiver in play; I'm more concerned with my question about the NAD and only having a L/ R preout and keeping both amps and the subwoofer in play...
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The splitter suggested above will split your single L/R output three ways. You only need two, one for your Anthems and one for your sub.
Bill
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What I mean is, the splitter will work just fine.
Bill
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I'm more concerned with my question about the NAD and only having a L/ R preout and keeping both amps and the subwoofer in play...
So the splitter will allow you to use the single pair of RCA outs from the NAD as three separate outputs you can use to connect your two amps and subwoofer, so it’s like the NAD now has three pairs of RCA outputs that’ll feed all your components.
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Let me try to recap (!), saying some things that so far have perhaps been taken too much for granted:
1. The NAD is a much better piece of equipment than the Pioneer. Unless you need/want the tuner section of the Pioneer as a source or as a part of your AV system, there is no point in keeping it in the system, especially not as a preamp.
2. You need three sets of line-level ("pre-out") outputs to feed your twin amps and sub. A 1 --> 3 way splitter will do that without major issues.
3. Cable the splitter into your single pre-out from the NAD, connect one splitter output to one of the Anthems, another to the other Anthem and the third to the subwoofer and you are done.
4. Sell/donate/store/burn the Pioneer, unless you need a radio.
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@spoonman16510 Still confused
Share more. What part of the replies are you still confused about?
Several replies above trying to restate the same thing for you, so it's best to come straight out and share what does not yet make sense or creating confusion. What is about the "splitter" that is still not making sense or requires additional explanation in a different way perhaps. If you share more, plenty of members here to help.
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------sub
NAD----splitter
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Thanks for all the advice everyone. This splitter that I need; can I find one on Amazon?
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SOIX, that looks more for car audio?
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One more question fellas...these Anthem mca225 power amps that I have...I know that they are not on the same level as more expensive brands but do you think that they are adequate? Anthem seems like they make decent stuff?
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do you have speaker binders on the sub? You can hook it up from your power amps
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No binding posts on the sub.
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Just out of curiosity, what model NAD preamp is this? and what model B&W's?
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NAD C368 preamp and B&W 706s3 bookshelves.
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Isn't the C368 an integrated amp? Are you just looking to only use the preamp out connections then?
And with the B&W 706's, I'm inclined to think that you aren't gaining much, if anything, in the way of improvement with bi-amping them. You might work out better in selling the one of the Anthem's and the NAD and purchasing a true dedicated preamp.
... just a thought....
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And with the B&W 706's, I'm inclined to think that you aren't gaining much, if anything, in the way of improvement with bi-amping them. You might work out better in selling the one of the Anthem's and the NAD and purchasing a true dedicated preamp.
I would agree with this provided you also got decent jumper cables for your speakers. Bi-amping may provide some benefit, but I’d think adding a better dedicated stereo preamp would bring significantly more improvement to the overall sound. Either that or sell everything and get a good integrated amp. Depends how much you want to put into this and how much you care about better sound, otherwise just get the splitter and enjoy.
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Yes it is an integrated amp, I'm sorry, my mistake. OK soo...being that the NAD only has 1 set of preouts ( L/R) is it possible to plug an rca cable into either one of those preouts then connect to a female Y splitter then from the other end of the Y splitter run 2 separate rca cables to one of the Anthem amps? One going in the left channel and the other one going to the right channel of the amp? And still having one (1) preout left on the NAD I could use that one for my sub? Sorry fellas like I said I'm still green on all of this.
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And, if I can do this does it matter which preout I would use for the sub or the amp?
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From what I think you are saying, the answer is no. You can't feed on channel (L or R) to the amps (and then onto the speakers) and the other channel to just the sub.
You have to keep the channels isolated from eachother, left channel going to the left speaker and the right channel going to the right speaker.
This also brings up another question. You already said the sub doesn't have speaker wire connections (L and R) on it. Does it have a separate L and R RCA inputs? If it doesn't, then there is another problem. You can't merge the L/R channel signals back together without isolating them. Otherwise, you are creating a short circuit and loose the "stereo". Typically this is done inside the preamp/processor or inside the sub.
I know that this is getting complicated and confusing for you. Try drawing this out on a sheet of paper, it might help. And trying to explain this in text can add to the confusion. If you would like to talk about it, private message me and maybe we can arrange something. Maybe some kind of white board session
- Jeff
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Since my last post, I've been thinking on what you are trying to do.
What is the make/model sub you have?
Since the NAD is an integrated amp, you do have one additional set of outputs on it, the high level speaker outs. You might be able to do something with that and a sub woofer.
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Jeffbij, the Sub is a Klipsch R-100W 10" High level speaker outputs on the NAD?
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https://community.classicspeakerpages.net/topic/8597-bi-amping-the-ar9-how-do-you-do-it/ This was how I had the b&w bookshelves hooked up, again using the Pioneer elite as a preamp. Hopefully that link opens. This is vertical passive biamped correct?
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Sorry to confuse you more. The "high level" speaker outputs on the NAD are the speaker connections, i.e. where you connect the speakers to.
Unfortunately the sub doesn't except high level inputs. Good thing is that it does have L and R connections, so the input signals are isolated before being combined. Thus the 3 way splitter will work.
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Someone mentioned in another response that if I wanted to keep the av receiver in the mix for home theater purposes that would be possible? If I go ahead and use this splitter on the NAD and my speakers are hooked up to the amp(s) then how would I keep the av receiver in the mix? Again thank you everyone for all the advice.
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