Mystery Of Red Plating


My tube amp (ARC VT130) was blowing up her screening resistor on the left channel. The two Sovtek 6550 tubes would glow red- pulsating with red heat. If it weren’t so disastrously bad for them it would be fun to watch. I assumed it was a bias problem. I also

replaced resistors - more than necessary but as the story will tell not the right one. As it turns out it was bias- and a lot more! I had a resistor with a pin hole in it that was arcing to a trace on the printed circuit board which was pushing 100volts into a triode tube ( a 12BH7A) which is a voltage controller for the 6550s.

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Circuit boards are not a good thing to have in a tube amp.  Point to point wiring is the way to go  

Best of luck.

The most common cause is the tube itself fails.

Sometimes the socket fails with the tube. If high voltages (+500V) are involved, sometimes the socket can develop internal arcing. This is why ceramic sockets are used in higher power situations, as they are immune to this problem. Of course a socket that is arcing must be replaced.

Good luck with the repairs!

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I had to wait 8 months to get in line at ARC. I think the repair cost with shipping was $3,000. The Audiogon Blue Book says my VT130 is only worth $3000.  Gee thanks! 

The ARC guy told me since the spamdemic "everybody" was taking their old gear out of mothball and sending it in for refurb- hence the wait. ARC must be making a killing on restoring old gear.

A musician buddy of mine told me to call the music store in at the local mall. They would know of local technicians that worked on tube amps (Fender mostly). 

Lo and behold they were right!  A dude named Matt Garcia had a store front repair shop called Garcia Amplification in old Myrtle Beach SC. He fixed the unit for $300 all in!  What a deal!  Moral of the story: Support your local electronics man.

2 Sylvania NOS 12BH7As $60

2 5K ceramic resistors       $5

Materials and Supplies     $25

Diagnose, test all 14 tubes, replace 3 resistors, 3 tubes, bias L&R, $210

Total cash out the door $300.  It took him a week.  

I had an amp red plate and it’s scary.   That’s why you should never leave a tube amp on if you’re not close by.   

Awesome ending.   There are still some good local techs , it’s finding them that’s a challenge 

In the Boston area D&S Tube Audio does repairs and mods on HiFi  and guitar amps.   He’s in North Attleboro MA

Wish I could find a tech like that in Australia 

Maybe I should ask the guitar shops…

Yes, I hade a McIntosh MC30 red plate tubes, from bad resistors. Trashed the tubes. Definitely a serious condition which needs repair. 

Support your local electronics man.
Surely would if there were one. Fifty years ago there were three crackerjack electronics repair nerds in a town of 6,000. Today, 12,00 people, zero repair guys.

Wish I could find a tech like that in Australia 

Maybe I should ask the guitar shops…

@johnread57 Guitar amps can red plate too and some of them use KT88s with some rather high voltages. Any tech that can fix them should be able to fix any other tube amp using similar parts. In short, yes, as the guitar shops.

Sorry to be late to this thread, but yes, when my ARC Ref 150 SE blew at the input fuse and board, ARC refused to take my amp in telling me that they were too backed up. I am the original owner of this amp and had registered it with ARC so I not a happy camper. I got put on a waiting list and was told I would be notified when I could send my amp in and that even THEN, it would 6-8 months once sent in for it to be repaired and shipped back. Btw, to this day ARC has never contacted me to tell me I can send in this amp and this was over a year ago. 

I sent some photos of the blown board to my local tech, Dan Abell of Abell Audio here in Columbus OH. He had worked on my previous ARC amps and I should have just gone to him in the first place. The burned circuit board had me thinking only ARC could properly repair it. Dan repairs mostly guitar amps, most of which are tubed. Columbus OH has a fair amount of musicians and Dan has seen everything. For him, repair of my Ref 150 SE was easy. I am guessing he saved me well over $2,000 in repair cost-my cost of repairs was just over $1,000. 

I found my local guy by calling a reputable music store and asking who the best guy was around here to repair tube amps. They had one favorite and that guy had never worked on an ARC before, but immediately diagnosed the problem as "multiple issues- not just bias"  He was right- a weird resistor failure, a bad voltage controller tube which he had NOS stock at a low price, 2 6550 Sovekteks (I supplied them). He burned it all in while biasing as he went.  $350 and a very short time later I'm listening to a wonderful quiet amp. 

Moral of the story: Great audio repair guys may be guitar amp guys unknown to us hifi gear heads.