My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


jays_audio_lab

JONAIKEN,

If you bothered reading just up the page a bit he said NO to the 250SE. He has never tried the 160M either.

WCSS, It's Friday, do we have to wait for FedEx/UPS to deliver your new fire bottle amps?
Thank you Whitecamaross for a great review these amp.Its helped me a lot to choose a right amp for my system.I have a pairs of bookshelf B&W 805 N. Speakers which amp good for that? Can you suggest?Thanks
Whitecamaross,  I just recently bought a pair of Scala Evos(upgraded from the Sopra 3s)as well and I’ve used both my Gryphon Diablo 300 and Octave v80se with super black box with them.   I enjoy the music of the Octave through the Scala's more than the Gryphon even though the Gryphon is more transparent and dynamic.   Very smooth and you can listen for hours.

My my guess is you will find tubes work very well.   Interested to hear the results.
I'm a Legacy guy. That being said, I'm sure curious about the new I V7 Amp they are releasing to go with their speakers. 600 plus watts ! And 7 channels. Probably no way your getting your hands on one...Is there?  
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Another 24 hours of playback on the evo scala has yielded less of the " in your face" presentation I was hearing in the first few days. The highs are starting to settle and are becoming less artificial. The bass seems to not pop off the speaker as it first did in the beginning. The bass seems to not energize the room as much as it did before (not sure if I like this particular trait) but I am assuming this is probably because the sound is beginning to even out from top to bottom.
If I were to make a preliminary opinion on this speaker, I would say that my instinct tells me that this is a speaker for tubes or for sweet sounding gear like constellation or luxman. Still yet to be determined after they are fully broken.
A friend of mine thinks the Merrill 118s with the tube preamp I am buying will be the ticket. He thinks the merill will handle slam and dynamics while the tube preamp adds some sugar to the presentation. I still have my doubts but he might be on to something. Hey, let’s not forget the Jeff Rowland 925s are on the bench waiting to enter the game so for all we know the 925s might be exactly what these focals need. That said, I only have about 180 hours on the speakers so I am sure the presentation will change over the next 7-10 days and that Is why I won't have my final findings at this time. I need to hit at least 500 hours of the speakers. Also, the nordost Odin 1 speaker cables are getting one hell of a break In period too. 

"I was told by a dealer that I need about 1,000 hours to really hear what they are capable of."


I am delighted that you are talking to a dealer who is telling you the straight unvarnished story about equipment break-in... As I mentioned several times, patience is golden in our hobby.


G.



 

I keep forgetting WCSS has moved on from the Neoliths and now has cones in Focal Scala Evos, judging how fantastic VAC amps have sounded driving giant Von Schweikert Ultra 11s at shows, VAC should also be on the shortlist. 
My intention here is to hear my Scala Evos with a class d amp, tube amp and class ab amp and then use a combination of solid state and tube preamps. I think it will be very interesting to say the least!
Guys - whitecamaross is done with lesser amps - so if he's trying tubes, think of the best "big boys" from Audio Research, VTL or the like.
Good guesses guys.
I wanted to provide an update right now on the speakers. They are breaking in and their sound is all over the place. Yesterday they were a tad bright and today they sound a little congested. I was told by a dealer that I need about 1,000 hours to really hear what they are capable of. 
I have music playing at 95 db in the room 24/7. 
As far as what amp ? Well I will taking delivery of it friday night so stay tuned.  I will post pics!
Are we guessing? I’ll vote for a Luxman tube setup. Or back to McIntosh that you loved so much before. 
@whitecamaross
Like I said, try them as transports (digital out ) to your DAC. You might be surprised . They might be better that way
BTW Which DAC are you using ?
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Hi,
I have the Merrill gear but it’s not mine. It’s my local dealer’s.
I have also bought the matching preamp for the tube amp so stay tuned...

Here's what I plan to do once the speakers are broken in (they have about 130-150 hrs right now):

Full tube front end versus full Merrill front end vs classe cam600s with /tube preamp/merrill preamp

Who do you think will be the best combination for my focal speakers?? Class d amps versus tube amps versus class AB. It is about to get interesting!
WC, using tube amplifiers, you will miss the bass slam, and control....but, you will likely enjoy everything else...Do you still have the Merrill gear on loan ? I have to say, it is a long time, for a manufacturer / dealer, to loan gear out. 
To do those new Focal's justice, my amplifier guess would be the Carver 350 Monoblock's.  Tell me I'm right.
My 2 channel is separate from my HT. They don't share anything but the room. 
Both bluray players are connected via hdmi and I find more detail coming from the Panasonic than the oppo. When i use the xlr outs into my amps and use them as stand alone preamps, the oppo seems better but I will need to confirm this once the Panasonic has more play time. 


Update: I have locked in my next amplifier. I'll give you a hint: it is tubes :) 
@whitecamaross
How are you using your MX160 with all of this.
or whatever Preamp/processor you are using for HT. Is there any way to integrate the 2 channel pre with the HT pre.... like HT bypass.
How are you doing that ??
@whitecamaross
When you say XLR out ,are you referring to L/R XLR analog out , or
AES/EBU digital out ?
Why would the Panasonic be better for sound than the Oppo but not for CD sound?  Pure music in movies is often brief and fleeting, so it is hard to judge.  Try some CD's that include spoken voice, such as the Chesky Jazz Sampler.  I like the tracks starting with 10, which test left/right separation, depth.  You can hear the voice as well as tambourine at 1 foot to 12 feet.
Focal scala utopía EVO = Wilson audio dynamics + magico detail without brightness plus luxman musicality.

Pros:
Incredible detail and air
Thunderous bottom end with no bloat
Fast sounding 
Dead center midrange that doesn’t get overpowered by the rest of the speaker
Sounds amazing with just about anything

Cons
Price
The model above it costs 25k more
Lively presentation might not be everyone’s cup of tea
Will require excellent amplification in order to really get the last ounces of wow factor.
Ok guys,
The oppo 205 is probably getting beat here in my room as we speak. The panasonic 9000 seems to have the upper hand in sound and in picture but it does not seem to best the oppo when playing music CDs via xlr  out. That said, I can say that the oppo 205 is starting to show its kinks and aging gracefully for sure. 
Off topic;
I just brought home the Panasonic 9000 bluray player ($1,000) retail and I am about to compare it to the oppo 205 for movies.... get ready 
Of course the Kef Blades and Legacy Aeris sound better to @audiotroy and his collective we than the top Dynaudio.  You always have something you shill that’s as good and or a better value...

Doubt that was the Dynaudio Consequence Ultimate.  Remarkable speaker. 

Just imagine how great they would sound with some Stillpoints!  


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The focal utopia grande evo was the best speaker of the show in my opinion. I found it the type of speaker that makes you get off your seat and keep playing song after song. It is also extremely fast sounding and totally blows my mind in many ways. 
Now I can honestly say I'd take this speaker  over anything magico makes under 55k retail or anything Wilson makes besides the DAW or alexia 2 because I haven't heard them so I can't say it is better. 
Again, the greatness of this speaker is the fact that it just sounds good even if you had your damm iphone connected to it with a RadioShack
Mini cable. Yes, I am being serious here. 
The speaker will clearly pay off dividends with better components which I will validate soon. 
I am beyond Impressed with the high frequencies which never get harsh on me. They just flow side to side and top to bottom. 
I don't know why anyone would want more bass to be honest because I have more than I could ask for and its tight, fast and with zero overhang. 
That said, don't let the high efficiency fool you into thinking you'll get the most out of them with a small amp. Yes it will sound good but the WOW factor, especially the bottom end, will become more impressive with more clean power. 

No rsf507 we don’t currently sell Focal.  We don't sell Dynaudio either one of our clients has the $85k top of the line Dynaudio's they sound good hardly better to our ears then the Kef Blades or big Legacy Aeris.

We have heard the big Wilson Alexxia at Cap and they were very very good, also the new DAW were also excellent. 

If you heard the demo at Axpona your jaw would have been on the floor.

Dave and Troy

Audio Doctor NJ

Audio Doc let me guess you don't carry Dynaudio or Wilson speakers but you do sell Focal. Just a wild guess.
Reply to WC  "Let me ask you, what's better on the evo than the sopra 3s? I have my own opinion"  

The Scala is more neutral with much better detail, clarity and transparency but even smoother sounding. The bass has more detail and stronger even though the cone surface area is less and the cabinet volume is about the same.  

Soundstage depth is much better.
Im using a Mark Levinson 534 amp. They do like high current.
Im glad you like them as I haven't had the opportunity to try other speakers in that class in my room like you have.

Mike


Viber we also know all three of these loudspeakers.

The Dynaudio C4 are a nice loudspeaker that has very good overall sound but is not as vibrant a sound like the Focals. A smooth midrange, good tight bass and decent imaging. A nice speaker but not a standout in our opinion.

The Magico's are tuned totally different than the Focals, the Magico sound is precise with a touch of a midrange recession and a very clean balanced presentation.

The Focals are a more engaging sound then the other two. We heard the big Focal Grande Utopia EM EVO III at Axpona and they trounced every other really expensive louspeakers at the show. 

The latest EVO III versions are a huge improvement, for the first time we have heard a Focal that acutally images well, the new tweeter has great air and presence  and is smoother than older versions and the midrange is better integrated. The demo of the Doors Riders on the Storm was just magical. 

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ


Aside from bass, what do you find better about the Focal scala evo compared to the Dynaudio C4?  Also compared to Magico?