My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Next month? Not sure I can wait that long. Just brought a c202 to go with the krell 402e yesterday and use krell caste to connect.  so now that frees up my ayre kxr twenty that needs to be matched up with a new amp. 
great amp speedbump6. i was looking for a pair of 900e monos myself just yesterday !!
Yeah I was looking for the bigger ones also, but seem hard to find. To me more power just gives plenty of headroom and a feeling of ease about the music that that headroom is able to provide. I like a “wall” of sound, I tend to listen as fairly high volume levels. I just don’t feel the full dynamic range at lower volumes. 
Saw some Mark levinson 536s to maybe pair with the ayre? I’m trying to hold out a bit to see what else I see. I already have bryston 14b for the tekton Ulferberhts, and like trying different flavors so don’t want to duplicate anything. Still trying to decide on a dac also, but have a few preferences which do narrow the choices somewhat
I agree  with the Soulution comments from mrdecibel and hedwigstheme- I had always thought Soulution would be an interesting brand for WC to try.  I'm wondering if he's just referring to what he's heard at shows, dealers, or someone else's system, OR, has he had a Soulution amp in his home system?
Dave
I believe I saw that at one point he did have solution, some time back, don’t remeber what model. Or maybe he was commenting that something he had at the time was better than solution, and assumed he knew from experience of having had it
You guys are awesome. I'm glad you all can be so intrigued by everything I've said. Let's say for now that I know that soulution has incredible bass control... I will leave it at that. I'm going to try to film a video tonight that will show what is coming next with the exception of the mystery amp that I am breaking in...
Sounds like maybe a solution? Lol. So many toys, not enough time or money. Maybe one day jay will head out the door in search of the next new discovery and when he opens the door there will be a sign. You have reached the end of the internet. Let’s hope he never runs of out of new discoveries. 
I second ron17's request to compare the Nordost Qbase to AQ Niagara.  It is certainly prudent to let the Ansuz C2 interconnect break in, and then do a shootout vs Nordost.  Ansuz boys broke away from Nordost.  I love the Ansuz concepts of the lowest capacitance and inductance, so eagerly await the Ansuz/Nordost battle.
Interesting if it is Soulution—not many models in the price range of the Luxman 900.
There’s a solution 710 I almost got, but 180 watts is pretty low for me. I like something with at least four hundred, and more is better
#1 interconnect 💯 % for me. Absolutely beautifully open, clear and coherent. 

#2 reminds me of my system when I somehow - don't like it. 👎
This by comparison of the two. 

But your speakers are, in my estimate, one big contributor in the #1 top showing, - as they point out the #2 comparative lack there of. 

Can this all be due to synergy? 🙄

Somehow, I don't think so, based on my own cable listening experience.
And, the ability of your top source is - 'coming through loud and clear'. WOW! 
AMAZING SOUND I'm hearing. 
Michélle 🇿🇦 
#1 sounded better. A bit more focused on the treble, and somehow more intimate.
awesome wc. the winner for me was even clear listening on my phone. haha but I remain in the camp my assessments through utube will never be able to correlate with what you hear in the room. cool kicks on whomever entered the room near the end!
Any  chance to learn what music/song you'd been playing? 🥰 Lovely stuff! 
Michélle 🇿🇦 
So I was right on the button that it would be an Accuphase amp despite your categoric denial earlier on (see both posts dated 6-12-2020).

As to your video I preferred connection No1 slightly better than connection No2 in that it seemed more relaxed and airy, while connection No2 seemed a little bit more stifling. But hey I was listening to the video via Sony headphones worth £20 connected to my lap top, so I  probably will never hear the finer resolution, transparency etc.. of both connections.  I look forward to hear your impressions of the Accuphase E800 pure Class A which is the flagship model of  integrated amps of the brand.
Interesting comments on my youtube channel. Some say #2 and others #1. It really all depends on WHAT you are trying to accomplish and the current state of your rig. I think both cables are exceptional and one does things the other does not. I personally don't really have one over the other because i could see how each sound can appeal to different people based on what they listen to. For instance, if you listen to poor recordings and you want to get rid of the terrible brightness that some of these old recordings have, i would select #2. If you listen to ultra high resolution music such as SACD's, DSD and they are more "current" recordings, i would probably choose #1 in order to extract as much information as possible. This becomes an exercise of fine tuning your rig. 
@justmetoo - That track in Nils Lofgren - "Keith Don't Go" which has become an audiophile staple demo track commonly used at shows.

Without knowing what #1 and #2 represent, and using my Plantronic USB headset connected to an HP Zbook.... And with the premise that my observations might be different if I played back on my stereo...

I felt that #2 is downright boring... Relatively little low level information, ranging from dampened natural/artificial treble harmonics, little microdynamics, almost inexistent ambient cues... I’d call this pretty dull.

By contrast, I felt that #1 shimmers with delicate inner detail wherever/whenever #2 falls flat on its face.... Immersive, emotional, crisp, and almost mesmeric in the rendering of the artificial harmonics towards the end of the track, and not a hint of roughness anywhere.

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If I can make a general observation common to the two... There seems to be a general paucity of presence in the bass drone. Please note however that while in the track the drone ostinato represents the bass line, in reality it fits in the lower midrange.

For grins, it would be interesting if WC could also utilize some very broad frequency/dynamic spectrum tracks... For example, the first movement of Igor Stravinsky’s Rite of Spring. Yep, ’tis classical... But no it ain’t your granma’s classical, for sure it ain’t!

G.



Would be interesting, WC, if you could provide some opinions on how you feel about the differences between Vivaldi and Rossini. You don’t have them concurrently, but you have everything else. Playing Rossini thru c900u and Gryphon to DAW’s, for example.  You have lots of time listening to that with Vivaldi and also several videos that we could go back to. 


A second request, now with this new integrated on deck, would be a top-5 or top-3 all time of integrated rankings that you’ve had, regardless of cost.


We know per your recent comments that you consider the Luxman 590axii to beat everything under $12k (int’s and separates) that you’ve had, but that doesn’t necessarily capture the Diablo or D’Agostino or maybe another Pass Labs higher than than the int250 (which you said Luxman 590axii bettered, including better bass control) or now this Accuphase. Maybe there are other integrateds you’ve had also that I’m forgetting as well above $12k???


An observation on the mystery amp: you’ve never been this careful breaking something in with past equipment. Wating 3 more weeks (first week of July) to truly audition??? You’ve scarcely waited three days in the past, let alone 3 weeks (maybe I’m exaggerating but you get idea). The Ref6se didn’t get much time at all and was gone before even fully breaking in according to ARC recommended timeframes. I guess a lot of stuff used so maybe not as much issue.


Is this a loaner where owner is insisting on such a long break-in before debut?? It just seems so out of character for you.... I’ve no problem with it - just making the observation.


Well at least this is what some of the "hundreds of hours" break-in folks have been calling for.....
Prediction for 1 year from now:

I predict that within a year WC will be into vinyl and doing TT setup shootouts. It seems like a natural progression. Can you imagine how crazy this could get if he eventually moves into vinyl?

Remember, a year or two ago he said he had no interest in comparing cables, and now the majority of the video shootouts he puts out are on cable comparisons.

I just think that is probably where he may go down the road, if for no other reason than at this pace with SS amps/pre and cables, he will get to the end of the line soon and there won’t be that much new to discuss (and cable comparisons are ok, but let's be honest the component stuff is much more interesting...). I've watched the video comparing the Luxman separates to the Luxman integrated probably 10 times; the three preamp video about the same;  I can pretty much guarantee I won't watch Audience v. Vahalla cables more than once.

Plus the size of the gear is manageable compared to bringing in 400 lb speakers or 150 lb amplifiers.

Anyway, just a guess. Could be way off .......
Cable 1 a bit bright IMHO via YouTube but plenty of detail cable 2 no PACE and boring sounding. 
@guidocorona 
Thanks for your articulate thoughts above. I will look into this song you recommended above, but remember youtube has copyrights and a lot of people sometimes will not want to hear different songs all the time because they can always reference back to the songs i played in the past in order to compare anything new i am adding.. That said, i will probably be looking for some new tunes going forward. 

@kren...   
The integrated conversation might happen soon, but i am not ready to put any thoughts on the accuphase integrated just yet so it needs time to "mature" a little. 
As far as breaking stuff in, yes i now have the ability to leave stuff on all day playing music and letting it settle which is a good thing. I am trying to be as far as possible with a lot of the stuff i am bringing. 
Vinyl is fine and a few of you have messaged me in regards to this, but i guess you can say i am just too "lazy" to be looking for vinyl and buying it too. I don't even buy CD's which is why i never bought the matching vivaldi transport. 
Speaking of Vivaldi, how does it compare to the Rossini? hmmm let me get back to you all on this later on. 
WC...#1 had more detail, via my laptop. #2 seemed a bit muted, and made me feel distant,......justmetoo....yes....Nils Lofgren, this track, specifically from his 2006 Live album. WC has a young daughter....If he gets into vinyl, it will take up considerably more time of his, and his daughter will be without a father.....a little exaggerated. I think it would be a mistake for wc to get into vinyl....especially, at the level he is at, with digital. Just an opinion, from someone who was seriously heavy into vinyl, not to long ago.
Haha, I'm not advocating for it, just predicting it.  I don't have vinyl and don't really have too much interest in it myself, so I see where WC is coming from.

But generally it seems that the highest-of-high-end systems are not complete without vinyl, which is why I think he will end up there.

I'd be happier actually if we got more rotation on the dacs/streamers, but it's his show obviously.

No complaints from me.  This is really fun stuff all around.
hey hey.... i want more dacs too alright!! lol.. BUT seriously i don’t think i will go into another dac anytime soon. i plan to roll with the rossini and the clock and try to maximize its performance using powercords, bnc cables etc.
Well, i found the luxman separates a new home so i have finalized my rounds with luxman 900u components. I hope my review and conversation of luxman has served you all well and that you can find enjoyment and fun as much as i did. RIP Luxman 900u and i will be sitting anxiously waiting to see what else will come from them in the near future!

Hello WC, I would not suggest that you replace your standard test tracks with something like The Rite Of Spring.... For one thing, the first movement is about 15 minutes long all together. I rather suggest that you add on occasion a broad-spectrum track, or a snoically significant fragment of it, in some of your more crucial shootouts. 


Concerning copyright, You will find actually entire performances of the Rite Of Spring with a variety of conductors already on the Internet, suggesting that it should not be a problem for you to download one of these performances/recordings directly from your music service.... The issue for any "classical" music work is that one needs to find the one that you prefer.... Usually there are lots of performances of the same work, recorded sometime over the last 110 years or so. Like with all genres of music, the trick is then to select the one that for you is most sonically and artistically satisfying.


G.


  


@guidocorona 

If you wouldn’t mind, please share one or several of the better dynamic and involving versions of The Rite of Spring that are on Tidal. I would really appreciate that.

Cheers
He writes 2 paragraphs of how and what to use and then doesn’t give specific examples as like we are going to listen to a dozen of musty boring recordings and choose one.    Lol So many posters are just old bags of hot air.

Hello Pokey, I am a dinosaur... Meaning that I do not have Tidal or other internet-based music service.


But if you PM me with the list of performances available on Tidal, including conductor, orchestra, label, and year of recording, I should be able to post here some of the most worthy candidates.


I have a version conducted by Kubelik.... Musically and dynamically excellent, but being an old recording, its detail may not be up to the most modern standard.


In general, recordings that I would expect to have top musical quality would include at least performances by Claudio Abbado, Leonard Bernstein, Pierre Boulez (old, but considered an interpretation standard for this work), Riccardo Chailly... Do not bother with performances conducted by Stravinsky himself... Old Igor was a composing genius, but as a conductor he was somewhat analytical.

      

Saluti, Guido


 


pokey77,
I second Guido's recommendation of Igor Stravinsky's Rite of Spring.  This is a fairly abstract piece of music, very complex.  The most popular Stravinsky work is the Firebird, a more melodic piece.  It also has a wide range of sounds and dynamic levels.  I also recommend the Shostakovich 5th Symphony, particularly the last movement, Finale.  Written in 1944, it represents the triumph of his spirit after persecution by the Russian authorities.  This Finale starts with banging drums, with great climaxes at the end.  A real crowd pleaser.  The 1959 recording by Leonard Bernstein is all-out passion, my favorite.
Geezuz Quido, just pull a record out of your massive collection and tell us exactly which performance you like best .   Do you have any copies if Rite of Spring?
Surely you picked one of the best. 
dguitarnut, 
The best way is to get to know any recording of a particular piece, then listen to other versions for different interpretations and different sonic presentations.  Guido and I are both knowledgable about classical music, but we may have different preferences for recordings.  But we each have several recordings of particular favorite pieces, because each interpretation offers different views of the music, which leads to a greater understanding of each piece. For pop like Simon and Garfunkel, I prefer their 1981 Central Park performance of "April, come she will" better than their original 1965 one.  In classical music, with great violinists, you can follow their different interpretations of the same piece throughout their life, from child prodigy at age 12 to maturity at age 80.  Producers wanted to have artists re-make recordings as technology improved, from the acoustic recordings of 1910, to electrical 78 RPM in 1930, to 33RPM in 1945, stereo in 1954, digital in 1980.
WC,
I think of the life you must have had in the army or other experiences of stress and drama.  I really feel you would find profound meaning in the whole piece of the Shostakovich 5th Symphony I mentioned.  It is long, about 45 minutes, in 4 movements (sections) of various moods.  It is worth your patience in getting to know it.  Live dynamics of this piece range from 20 dB to 110 dB.  Speeds from slow to furiously fast.

dguitarnut, you have a point. Here is the recording of the Rite of Spring that I am planning to get for my birthday... 'Tis about time, actually:


 

Claudio Abbado and the Los Angeles Symphony Orchestra:

https://www.amazon.com/Stravinsky-Rite-Spring-Abbado-Lso/dp/B002GKRT8S

 

You can sample it on Youtube at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRyd5zR_3Bc

 


As fine a performance as my old Antal Dorati CD is -- sorry, my mention of Rafeal Kubelik was a brain fart, it pales compared to the sonics and sheer emotional impact of the Abbado recording. For historical purposes, here is the ancient Dorati

 

https://www.amazon.com/Stravinsky-Printemps-Spring-Dorati-Conductor/dp/B001HRUWGM

 

Regards, Guido


Hedwig, just bought the Soulution based on your say so. So it it dosnt work out, were going to have some words, lol. I’m sure I’ll be very happy. Now time to concentrate on a DAC. 
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Speedbump6--if the Soulution doesn't work out, I'll take it into foster care if you'll reimburse me for feeding it.
Ive just got to figure out which speakers to use with which system. Ayer kxr twenty and Soulution, or krel Evo 402e with krel 202 preamp. One with bw 800d3 and one with Wilson Sasha daws
Did Jay ever specify what microphone he's using for these youtube recordings?  That would help put my impressions into perspective