Mitigating the Bubble

Ozzy  has the new sound calmed down in the last 36 hrs. Tom

It's available on Qobuz.

ozzy

Matt Flinner Quartet - Walking on the Moon

Dave (kykat)

So happy you came by. Wasn't so sure how it would sound after I treated some parts 12 hours before you arrived. Should be even better tonight when I travel down to the music room. Please post that cd that you brought over. I need to make that purchase. Next time you come this way let's get together again. I really enjoyed the visit.  Tom

Tom (theaudiotweak), thanks for letting me come by to hear your system. Its an understatement to say its obvious you have worked really hard on both your room and system. I list room and system separately but of course the room is part of the system, a point you obviously get. 

It can be challenging to verbalize the sound characteristics that I love from a sound source but I loved the sense of ease/relaxed feel the system has. It isn't throwing things at you, more like they are flowing toward you. A great sense of proportion and place with such great clarity and I'm afraid I have to throw in the admittedly broad M word (musical) because it is very applicable here. Just a complete pleasure to listen to. Well done! 

Thanks again for being such a generous and thoughtful host. It was a most memorable experience.

Have a glass of wine sit in the sun take a nap.

theaudiotweek,

Thank you for that info!

ozzy

@holmz … 😆

Bright at 1st slammy bammy in 12 to 24 hrs. Tom

I just removed all of the NPS-1260 off of my WBT spades and replaced it with the sample of Nano-Flo.

Now I’m not sure if this stuff has to be on for while but at least initially I think the sound stage shrunk and has more higher mid/treble frequencies (not in a good way).

I was expecting Nirvana instead so far I have Tiny Tim.

ozzy

ozzy

 I had an extra large  bubblerific experience the last 24 hrs.

 I need to inhale again and think about this ever bigger picture that took shape. A visitor was present today maybe he could speak if he would care  too. Tom

I wish it was as easy as using something that seems like nail polish, or chucking in a fuse.

The following sounds like a report from attending a seance

holmz,

Listening to and enjoying music, whether live or through a system, is an experience. You can talk about science, claims, people and credibility all day long, but that’s all just speculation. Only a few know, from actual experience, what effect this product has on the the experience of listening to music in the context of a high resolution home audio system.

A synopsis of the thread reads like…

• Magical lube
• Krissy was being taken advantage of
• More magic claims
• sections from the book, “The Emporer’ s new clothes.”
• diamonds, insulating grease, diamonds become metals, insulation becomes superconducting.
• A co-dependency group theory session, that resembles a rugby scrum.

Observing things in the thread is not speculation.
Either publish something or not.

I don’t even know what the stuff looks like, but it sounds like a snake oil infusion or a snake oil aoili . 

Testing proved this, and the director saw something that made him ask if it was a superconductor. 

Publish results here with details or it didn't happen. You just come across as a charlatan. Sure he asked it if was a superductor. Do those lies work normally?

Pressure in electrical contacts is low. This is an area I know very well. Remember, actual materials scientist.

@tommylion : Agreed.

@bjesien Is this thread an early attempt to experiment with on-screen lsd?

That's what it feels like when a 50/50 deal turns into 20/80, on  screen LSD explains it perfectly.

Chris.

@holmz To be fair, everyone seems clueless.
The claims are all over the place with insulating, non-toxic, toxic, conductive.
Zero measurements.

It's simple, NanoFlo is non toxic. It is antibacterial NanoMetallic composite in petrolatum. It is extremely conductive under pressure on the electrical contact points, otherwise the gel is insulative. Testing proved this, and the director saw something that made him ask if it was a superconductor. 

Y'all have been using my semiconductive nanodiamond without knowing it for 10 years, and mant people liked it. NanoFlo is better and was designed as an electrical contact enhancer, the nanodiamond is a superlubricant with wear protection.

Chris

holmz,

Listening to and enjoying music, whether live or through a system, is an experience. You can talk about science, claims, people and credibility all day long, but that’s all just speculation. Only a few know, from actual experience, what effect this product has on the the experience of listening to music in the context of a high resolution home audio system.

Someone mentioned Window Pane ?

Who's the spruiker and who's the sprukee?

None of this is about audio anymore.

I tried to shake it up with the Mikey report on the room and maybe that will spark another different riot ..butt that was ignored so I guess I will call it quits and shut it down. I like this nano product thats why I started my 3rd thread in 20 years time.

Tom

One of the sadder things about this whole sordid affair is seeing you guys yuck it up, while being completely clueless about what is likely lost to those in the wider audio community who get joy from improving their music listening experience, instead of running down things they have zero experience with on forums

To be fair, everyone seems clueless.
The claims are all over the place with insulating, non-toxic, toxic, conductive.
Zero measurements.

To equate hopes and dreams with facts is a stretch.

And one cannot take, say Maxwell’s equations, and chuck in words like “nano”, “synergy”, and “quantum” and make it science… It is basically more of a magical incantation.

And I did not even mention the person spruicking the stuff. A reveiw of those posts could add further insight.

Is this thread an early attempt to experiment with on-screen lsd?

I offered her a 50/50 split with some very specific rules, after all its my invention

Chris

tommylion + 10 ..

One of the sadder things about this whole sordid affair is seeing you guys yuck it up, while being completely clueless about what is likely lost to those in the wider audio community who get joy from improving their music listening experience, instead of running down things they have zero experience with on forums.

Yeah @soarnatti if the particles were bigger it would make a nice grill.

holmz,

You forgot to mention that it’s edible, maybe a nice spread or a dip. It might just slide off though.

Couldn’t resist.

I emptied the bearing well of its black oil and replaced with a clear lubricant containing nano diamond lube. I stated this weeks ago in this thread. Tom

A lube,
A conductive paste.
Particles that debraid the source to make it free from corrosion and oxidation.
An insulator.

Is there nothing that this cannot do depending on the audience you are spruicking the stuff to?
It is like a chameleon product.

Two weeks ago it was conductive Nano Diamonds using boron diffusion. Then it was Nano diamonds wrapped in gold. Now its pure metallic composite.

Two weeks ago it was food grade oil. Now it is petrolatum. While that is edible, most of us would not consider it food.

A composite is two or more things, so what exactly is pure?

What possible value is there in blending a nano diamond lube into a contact cleaner?  This whole story sounds completely made up, just like all the impossible claims you made for your lubrication product, totally made up.

I don't know who Krissy is, but I hope she has the resources to sue you.

Hey, how is your buddy Chris St. Claire doing these days? I see his product all over the place.

I may have some left I will look for it. I won't send it out to be analysed to be replicated.  Tom 

What was the name of the product you used @theaudiotweak ?

I emptied the bearing well of its black oil and replaced with a clear lubricant containing nano diamond lube. I stated this weeks ago in this thread. Tom

I have some of this lube in my LP 12 for over 2 years. Its nano diamond  lube in mineral oil works great. Tom

So you put in a slurry of diamond paste into a groove, and then plowed a diamond through that?

I suppose it should polish out the sound over time.
 

I have some of this lube in my LP 12 for over 2 years. Its nano diamond  lube in mineral oil works great. Tom

I will regret even suggesting it, but after looking at turntable porn today, I expect there is a better market for a nano-diamond lubricant for turntable bearings than may provide a real and measurable benefit, compared to a contact enhancer of dubious value.

To anyone considering it, this constitutes public disclosure and hence anyone trying to patent such a thing for this application after this date will be out of luck. I took a screen capture.

A room with a view of the music. Supplied by the camera and commentary from OCD Mikey now on YouTube. STAR SOUND ENERGY ROOM ! - YouTube

The room surfaces are mechanically grounded to the floor and the hard surfaces are left to vibrate. All components are hard mounted to Sound Stage Audio Platforms and again left to vibrate on their own accord. The vibrations move down and out in a continuous fashion. Even the main breaker panel for this room is mounted to a Sound Stage Platform and direct-coupled to the wall.

No soft materials and no springy platforms to slow down the transfer of resonance energy. The corners are filled with steel shots. The size of the evenly rounded bearings was auditioned and chosen after being installed and played inside special cello endpins. The largest of the 3 sizes was chosen for optimum performance.

The greatest threat was overdamping the corners which we discovered those ill effects on sound during various applications in smaller room models.

For the new Caravelle speaker model, I chose two extremely linear drivers which allowed for a very simple and novel crossover build. The same speaker system is used in my own room but the crossovers are built outboard the enclosures for testing. Everything is direct-coupled and mechanically grounded through the speaker stands. All my components are placed using the same type of platforms and racks. I will need to remove the 2 speaker drivers clean off the old contact enhancer and apply the new Nano to the drivers and crossovers.

My room construction predates the Energy Room though I do use angles on the ceiling wall junctions in 2 places. The owner of this system has purchased NanoFlo but has not yet applied the product.

I hope the posted video will allow members to view and share construction methods some of which could be applied or adapted to their own audio rooms. We are currently reverse-engineering the Energy Room and hope to have retro-fitted surface mounted and portable products that mechanically function in anybody’s room. Let the Energy Flo. I am a member of Sound Stage Audio.

Like all Sound Stage products, these innovations were designed and tested by many people over the years of research and development. Tom 

deludedaudiophile  ......   they'll be digital BNC cables.

Digital info stored on cd, transferred via the BNC cables to the dac, which converts digital to analogue sound.

@tweak1 you have a different product than Nano-Flo but based on your feedback, these contact enhancers seem to achieve similar results from other posters.

I am confused by which sample product I have (it came from High Fidelity Cables in TX). The one thing I know for sure is that my enjoyment has gotten better over just one week (and I only applied to one Coax cable and a pair of XLRs), it's BIG TIME improvement. Typical digital edge is mostly gone, tonal tilt lowered to where everything sounds tactile/real, noise floor greatly improved, blacker blacks, more holographic, better bass, and imaging.

hth

Are those analog BNC or digital BNC?

Update on adding Nano-flo to my dual BNC cables a couple of days ago.

Music continues to flow really easily. I’ve had listening sessions with Paul Simon’s greatest hits, the Who’s greatest hits and 10CC greatest hits. Paul Simons was to let the system warm up. Both the Who and 10CC sounded superb, the bass has a lovely weight to it that underpins everything. The clarity on both the Who and 10CC was amazing, both these bands music are well recorded. Eeverything was crystal clear and so easy to follow, whether taking individual instruments of the sound as a whole. The Who’s I can see for miles, magic bus and pinball wizard are especially well recorded and sounded razor sharp.

An overall observation on Nano-flo, it doesn't change the sound of your system, it just gives you more.

Hard to see how my system can sound better?

And strangely, thebigguy's posts don't make this topic any more weird.

Of 2 penny? 

@theaudiotweak 

Tom, I’m kindof laughing right now and even though we don’t know one another, I can imagine you are too. This guy Chris is something else. He must have received an order and, looking at the other 1,999 bottles on the shelf, why not.

It’s rare but sometimes the best plan is no plan at all. 

He told me a few days ago he was going to pull all of it.

Today he said he was going to leave it awhile.

Tom

@theaudiotweak

You have tried very hard throughout the thread to be civil. Much respect. I have admittedly not. I have believed since the start that you were a user of the product and happy with the results. I have on accasion believed you were closer to the center of this cluster and in the event I crossed a line regarding you, I apologze.

Your explanation of a potential theory regarding the power cord is appreciated. Someone would have to explain the permeability of the stock Home Depot cord but it really wouldn’t matter without an explanation of what was attempted and to what intended effect. When you say he is pulling “it” from the market, are you referring to the gel, the cord or everything? I’m guessing its not a hard decision for him? It seems the money back guarantee duration exceeded the duration of the product’s offering.

Speaking of weird ....

Well, at least Tubebuffer is not trying to hide the fact that he reappeared with a new handle. Not at all, completely open. Unlike the deluded dude posting here who is now on the 12th handle in disguise