Mitigating the Bubble

Boron is not the same as borophene..I don't know how to make borophene.yet nor diamonds.Tom

I would ask what possible reason you would have for applying elemental boron to anything but I fear you would actually tell me.

@deludedaudiophile ,

I hope you will continue to post more  on the forum threads.

Very interesting stuff!

I can tell by your reaction you would jump to conclusions so I won't tell you. And it was actually 1 other element and a derivative of a 3rd all in a binder..Still alive and listening well.. Boron is a component in magnets.Tom

@deludedaudiophile - I think antiphrasis would sum up your moniker, based upon what I'm reading. Welcome.

@nano-flo

 

@ghasley

I don’t want you to leave, and if you go to the contact form on webpage or message your address privately I will send you the only .1ml sample I’m that I’m prepared give out, once the batch finishes blending sometime next week. I promise, it will be up to you to tell anyone if or what happens without me pissing about your answer. If you are as unimpressed as everyone that didn’t try it yet, I hope you shout it out for everyone on AUDIOGON, and I’ll even pay the shipping.

Chris

Chris, its very kind of you to offer. I will accept your generous offer on the condition that you publicly post the data you relied upon earlier in this thread that this product increases electrical conductivity. Before and after data would be welcome. Also Chris, what kind of hifi system are you using to form your subjective opinions.

Otherwise, I will trust that the late Ken Shindo was comfortable knew what he was doing in his lifelong pursuit designing and building exceptional electronics and complimentary cables.

Some of us here received test samples from Krissy that she had to buy from the maker. I will be sending Krissy my payment. Tom

A staand up gesture Tom.

@theaudiotweak Some of us here received test samples from Krissy that she had to buy from the maker. I will be sending Krissy my payment. Tom

If she bought the free samples for testing, she never paid me for them. I will note that only one person could be making that preposterous claim. but if you would be so kind as to confirm what is being claimed in an email, I have something for you, to make it worth the effort.

Tom, I supplied all free test samples at no charge, and I was told you were sent a second free sample for some assistance you provided, and you do not have to pay anyone for free stuff. Someone is lying to you Tom, and its not me.

Chris

Normally you test the product then you sell it.

My crystal ball tell me that one of the following will happen:

1. There will be no results published
2. You will have to sign and NDA to get the results (that should be public)
3. The results won’t be very good, but lots of excuses will be made
4. The results will be published in a way such that the experiment is highly questionable and cannot be replicated. I.e. all the critical information required in typical test such as this will be missing so as to make the results meaningless.

I am guessing 1 or 4 based on a history of his other products where no meaningful test results have been provided, what is provided is not really interpretable or usable due to lack of data, or excuses have been made why it is unavailable.

I would ask what possible reason you would have for applying elemental boron to anything but I fear you would actually tell me.

In the form of mined borax it is great cleaner, mould inhibitor, and insect destroyer..

@nano-flo

G, I don’t want to twist your arm to test it for yourself, but my new nanomaterial has been tested by those on this group and I am just repeating what they said. Since I am to launch on Amazon anyway, I arranged to have a certified EE lab run various testing on as much as they can test. I should have the test results back from the VA lab in a couple weeks,

Chris, here lies the problem: You clearly stated earlier in this thread that your product “improves electrical conductivity”. You stated it! It seems pretty clear at this juncture that you have no data that it does. Conductivity is easy to test and you haven’t actually done it. Either you had conclusive data in advance of making the conductivity claim or you didn’t, which is it?

Subjective claims made by third parties are just that and I have no problem with sincere people relaying what they think they hear. If their soundstage blew over their framed internet diploma certifying their proficiency at spotting aliens…cool! You on the other hand have attempted to occupy the high ground and yet, I consider your claims as guesswork mixed with wishful thinking if I’m being generous. Your power cable offering is absolutely an insult to anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of the hobby. That’s a swing bridge too far!

You are riding through town, wearing a white hat that doesn’t fit. Your claims to what your product may or may not do is very much akin to the historical snake oil salesmen of the old west. Cures gout, the common cold and those achy joints, regrows hair and doubles the mpg of your ‘88 Civic. Since this is an audio site, the least you could do would be to specify whether your Lexus test system is equipped with the base audio system or the Mark Levinson system. Is cassette tape the preferred media or FM or CD or satellite radio? I believe you should stick to Amazon…if you are wise and reasonably honest, you won’t spend any of the money the gullable send your way…I predict high levels of people taking you up on the money back guarantee, especially on your miraculous power cable.

So, back to your generous offer. Did you test conductivity in advance of making the claim or were you being dishonest when you stated that it increased conductivity? Its a simple question. Yes or no. If you did not then you were being dishonest when you made the claim. I don’t knowingly do business with people who would do that and since you apparently don’t really know what your product does, why would I smear it on anything? Free or otherwise.

@nano-flo - so right here is where I publicly apologise to you and correct a mistake I have made. Through misunderstanding, I claimed that Krissy had paid you for the original sample products, I have been informed that you have spoken the truth on this particular matter. As I understand it, and correct me if I am wrong, she paid for shipping and chose who the trial participants were?

Tom worked out who you were, and wasn’t given or even suggested by Krissy to contact you. Mr Carbon as you call him, was at least right, that price for that cable was never a good idea, nor the choice of off the shelf cable, but more to the point the price you’re asking. And if you didn’t believe Krissy when she told you that cable and price wasn’t going to go down well, you can digest this thread and the above post. (how much products have you sold with her help, compared to without? that’s entirely rhetorical by the way).

The original price and original straightforward offer for the product is a fair one, I certainly thought so when I paid for it. I have never said it wasn’t what I originally posted about it. Your selective responses are very telling, sadly for the audiophile community the real loss is a great product.

My mistake Krissy sent me the small test kit supplied to her for free by Chris. If she paid the shipping I will pay her for that service. Tom

"but if you would be so kind as to confirm what is being claimed in an email, I have something for you, to make it worth the effort."

Well, now I see you’re also not above bribery.

There you go Tom, if you narc on a private email between you and someone else, you’ll get a prize!

Unfortunately Chris,

whether what is true or not at this point is moot.

You set the tone for this thread with your initial posts. That was a mistake. You’re selective answering of questions and non answers was also a mistake. You charging $1500/$1000 for a $6 power cord and advertising here is just silly.

You were ill prepared to deal with the people on this forum who are light years ahead of you in audio knowledge. You’re only system is in your car??

I could go on, but this now bores me. Thank you for the temporary entertainment.

Never saw a chart nor mention of any test result. If that test or chart existed it was never mentioned to me. I knew of diamond lube before because I spoke to the maker by phone in 2019. These new materials may not have existed in 2019. That's all the chatter today so far.

Tom

Carpathian 

Your saying I am a narc of private email?

When and where and what time of day? Tom

@theaudiotweak ,

Not at all.

I was pointing out you have been offered a bribe. That is all.

I am certain you have the integrity to decline.

My apologies if it was construed as such.

Yes thanks..However the contents inside the highlighted box were intended for another poster not me. Tom

Tom, I believe it is addressed at you.

Please reread his entire post.

If I ensure the SC spades are fully inserted and centered on a speaker's binding posts, surely I'm increasing the conductance? conductivity? much more than anything operating at the nano level, assuming that the nano-particles are indeed conductive in the first place.

Carpathian

You were right it was about me.. Sorry about that.

Gotta get back to product benefits not personalities... Tom

You are welcome....Dont let others dictate your way....

I don't perceive my views on many topics that audiophiles treat as religion would be well received here.

@twoleftears - oh, I so don’t want to encourage Chris (nano-flo) but I did not detect a volume increase with the product, a possible result of better conductivity.
This following is 100% pure speculation, grain of salt with the following please?
@ozzy - you did not like the Fideliums, this may or may not apply to your system if you do use nano-flo? Once applied, not really reversible (so I have been informed).

I was told by Jeff Smith of Silversmith cables (USA), that one of the reasons the Fidelium speaker cables sound so good (besting in many reviews much more expensive cables) was the principle that it lowered reflections within the cable, this is also the premise that Mad Scientist (New Zealand) use in their highly regarded, highly praised reviewed cables.
I don’t know if Jeff will mind me saying this? He told me that his cables were designed entirely from knowledge and he ran the numbers until it was a very good result, and didn’t need to hear it to know it was a winner.

Why does it actually sound really good, it may be that it somehow lowers or lessons the reflections in the cables connected to it. The Fidelium cables do have resistance and the geometry does lower skin affect, while the volume slightly decreases the noise also decreases and the sound is portrayed on a lower noise floor. Like I stated, and others may or may not chime in, it does however have some of the characteristics of silver conductors, without the glare that is sometimes noted in presentation. Volume didn’t appreciably seem to change though.

@nano-flo - it was Krissy who informed me that I was not correct, Krissy confirmed that at least on that and a few other areas of your explanation are correct. I stand corrected and though I am not particularly fond of your business practices (not that I am of any concern to you), my opinion of myself is more important to me, so yeah, when I speak out of line with truth, I’m more than likely to own it and apologise.
Humble pie isn’t tasty at all, there’s no sugar coating it.

rixthetrick,

"@ozzy - you did not like the Fideliums, this may or may not apply to your system if you do use nano-flo? Once applied, not really reversible (so I have been informed)

I don’t understand how my not being impressed with those speaker cables has anything to do with the nanoflow.

ozzy

@ozzy - the presentation, the effect is similar in mine as the Fidelium speaker cables produced, and by comments other have written possibly in others systems as well. And I may entirely be incorrect, it’s happened right here in this thread. Grain of salt I suppose.

**Edited to reflect changes in posts**

I've corrected my poor grammar, I hope my reply is now clear.

ozzy

@ozzy - fair enough.
Funnily enough I had heard a pair of Dragon PC when I was at a hifi store in El Paso. Used in conjunction with a Niagara power conditioner in the middle and it sounded brighter and more revealing, I have no idea why you didn't like the Fideliums, it was the same impression, brighter and better bass. I guess I'll wait to read your impressions of the Dragon PC in your system. BTW I loved it, just don't have the budget for it at the moment.

Obviously rooms, systems etc are all different.
 

I'm getting off the thread topic so check out my thread in the cable forum about the Dragons.

Power Cable Break In - Such a Change!

ozzy

@ozzy - will do.

I don't perceive my views on many topics that audiophiles treat as religion would be well received here.

There are a few who might.

@twoleftears - oh, I so don’t want to encourage Chris (nano-flo) but I did not detect a volume increase with the product, a possible result of better conductivity.
This following is 100% pure speculation, grain of salt with the following please?

Since only a small number of units were sold, how is it you tested NanoFlo but there is no record of you getting any?

Is there any measured data that shows anything with respect to noise, or more volume or less conductivity?

Or is it solely based upon listening after the lore is professed?

@twoleftears - oh, I so don’t want to encourage Chris (nano-flo) but I did not detect a volume increase with the product, a possible result of better conductivity.

This following is 100% pure speculation, grain of salt with the following please?

Since only a small number of units were sold, how is it you tested NanoFlo but there is no record of you getting any?

It was a @rixthetrick which on my pad says 4-16-2022 @7:58 AM

No idea why Krissy never mentioned this, but I shipped her some of my secret sauce on 2.25.22 and she said she did all kinds of conductivity, flow and audio testing on it and claimed it was 1000 times better than TC.

She suggested sending it to the group for testing themselves

She suggested pricing.

And she obviously had other ideas she forgot to share with me as she continued blabbing what was agreed to be kept secret,

She even wanted to call it perfect path and now she's masquerading as a guy called deludedaudiophile signing on two days ago and sounds just like Krissy bragging about what a great physicist she is. A moderator check on the IP address would be nice. 

Anyway, the finished cable is up now, but don't buy it, just look please. EE testing from someone you can trust next week. NanoFlo will be back up tomorrow at $399 for twice the amount in the $800 bottle Krissy said you guys would go for. Cut out the middleman and you save some cash.

Chris

My first ever post on nano-flo was 03-22-2022 at 07:28pm, at the time it was unnamed, and "the new kid on the block" was being kicked around.
I have written plainly about what I heard, and pick no bones about it.

Rick,

No problem with you, but that's the point, and though nobody was to know about me I get a phone call about my enhancer that only ms. deluded knew about, then I got paid by Bob S. at my arnoldlegalfund email by someone that never should have had that email. I refunded him immediately and let her keep talking. You are all easy marks for $800 enhancer and $500 fuses, so I heard. Even though my paste is worth it, who am I to argue with an audio expert? Back to reasonable pricing and soon to amazon but the cable is killer.

Chris

Simply amazing…make it up as you go along. Make claim, test afterward. 

Now I am Krissy whoever that is? What an a-- . Another standard tactic. Can’t defend against the smart guy so make up an attack. I don’t know if you are totally deceitful or unbalanced.

I guarantee there will be no "EE" report next week or it will be so vague or poorly described to be meaningless.

I perceived an increase in dynamic range after application to only 6 rca ends. I can listen at much lower levels without feeling the need to jack the volume up as much as before the application. Is the gain in percieved dynamic contrasts the same as "Louder'?  Cannot remove and measure and then reapply and measure again because nano particles may not be able to be totaly removed..and then the fact I dont have any more to reapply to measure again. I trust my ears and experience with  my body as a listening tool.Tom

This gets better and better, like a really complicated detective novel. It’s food grade safe but bonds so well to metal that it can’t be removed. Oh the humanity!

Your a poor detective...The answers for your questions can be found within posts of this thread. Tom

The product(s) may or may not work for their stated purpose (Nano-flo doesn’t know) and they are offered for sale by a guy I wouldn’t let cut your lawn. Its your money though…the test results illustrating efficacy (or not) for improving electrical conductance doesn’t exist or Chris would have posted it by now. Tom, you “perceive” that you can listen at a lower volume. I would rather listen at one click louder to NOT have this arrogant person in my life. Chris, if you are reading this, you can give that free sample you keep trying to give to me to @theaudiotweak 

Why am I not surprised that one or two of the players in this nefarious game are acquaintances of MC !

Please name them because I want to know..Tom