No in general this is a hostile place and I think I will move on.
Mitigating the Bubble
Today after many years of trials and tribulations I have mitigated a sonic aberration a horizontal phase anomaly in my center stage. While the center image was always stable and outlined it seemed narrow and bubble like and I would need to shift my body angle to really lock in the image. This was obvious on many CDs and LPs .
I have many man made fixes that helped the situation but never a total cure. Some of these are now permanent fixtures on the ceiling in 2 different locations. I made my own acoustic panels filled with long hair sheep's wool and 3 Argent Room Lenses. I have laminar flow lenses that focus and stabilize the image across the front stage. I have built and treated an acoustic fan that overcomes the boundaries with in my room by reducing interference. I have loaded my speaker cabinets 3 times with new drivers and now an outboard crossover. This was after my Essence 30s speakers and my Dunlavy SC4s. ..All my components are hard mounted and direct coupled to the floor...on rock solid racks and speaker stands, custom mono bloc amps each on their own stand. All of these devices and angles and positions made the image wider and more focused but I still had that little bubble and shift before me. Always less annoying with each new device and tweak.
So, your probably saying to yourself hurry up and get to the end. The end finally arrived today after having applied a contact enhancer 7 days ago to just 6 RCA ends out of many connections in my system. Today with a friend who has been here a hundred times sitting in the Chair playing the same music as usual he said there was a wider sweet spot. I despise that term but he said it and not me.What we both heard was a super stable center image that was a few feet wide and not just one. The bubble was gone. The head in the vise was gone. Off came the straight jacket and helmet. What I have now in this space intime is a glorious fully extended soundstage with all the meat on the bones and the features of talking heads on a real live performance stage.
I have probably used eight different contact enhancers over five decades but this one blows my mind. This product Nano Flo is the ultimate in transparency.
Tom
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No hostility meant to any party unaffiliated with Nano-Flo. No hostility intended toward unaffiliated users of Nano-Flo products, Tom included.
Nano-Flo joined Audiogon and within seconds, hopped on to the forum and began marketing his new products by spewing snark and unsubstantiated claims about a power cord. He additionally denigrated the late husband of another and made untrue, crass and insensitive comment about thie person to whom I refer. I know none of these people and have never done business with any of them nor do I care what anyone does, tweaks or applies to their system.
Are we as a community to stand by and have these types of people just spew unchecked or unchallenged. Yes, I have made fun of the absurdity of Chris’ inital claims about increasing electrical conductance because he probably would love that the potential buyers out there had never seen him make his absurd claims. And about his power cord…LOL |
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Tom, would it be fair to say from your point of view that the contact enhancer is a positive addition to your listening pleasure and that the power cord might be a "bridge too far" and you won't be trying it?
@whitefishpoint1175 Not spending alot of energy on this but it does help distract from thoughts of over-snacking, which itself took the place of nicotine many, many years ago. |
I answered your questions with explanations and not simply yes or no answers..Go back and cut them apart as you do with all my posts. Private message Just_ Krissy so she can explain herself and you can pontificate your point of view about me and then she can tell you watt I am all about on a personal and professional level. Tom |
@theaudiotweak I'm not saying you did or did not betray Krissy...I haven't any idea. I'm just saying I get the idea from the various posts in this thread that Chris wouldn't have clue one about what the "contact enhancer" would or would not do for an audio system unless someone told him. He had no hands on experience evidently and admitted by him, he has no audio gear other than the factory radio which came in his Lexus.
You've been asked if you believe Nano-Flo Chris has been forthright. You have danced around the answer. You've been asked if you believe the power cord claims to be accurate. You have danced around the answer.
Chris posted a quick fly-by comment that resembles someone off their meds. He hasn't answered valid questions for measured efficacy, something he committed to do, about the power cord and as I mentioned earlier in the thread, what little credibility he had as a non-known entity hasn't received any objective boost by his behavior and avoidance of the questions.
He may be sitting on the edge of a swing bridge somewhere, comfortable in the fact that he doesn't owe me or anyone else any explanation or data about anything. He would be correct in that conclusion. I believe he is here on Audiogon having joined in just the last several days, trying to earn a fast-buck on unsubstantiated assertions. I don't take issue with someone who buys the power cord or the "contact enhancer" or even the off the shelf fuses smeared with the gel. Its all good. In fact, he at least seems to be learning from this demolition derby exercise: the reason he will remove the gel from the market probably has more to do with the fact that some are prepared to pay considerable sums for a treated fuse with less pushback than selling enough gel to treat a case of fuses. I also predict version 3.0 of the power cord will be out before he has shipped version 1 or version 2 to any actual paying customers. |
"After today's fictitious lab results it's now headed for industrial service only because you guys were mean to me and asked me questions about my claims that I can't back up, and when it transitions, it will not be publicly available. (Test results could not be explained because I didn't want to hear them and put my hands over my ears and went 'lalala', so my cables, enhancer and fuses will remain for sale until I pull them). Which means when none of this nonsense sells." xoxo Chris |
@deludedaudiophile . Indeed I most certainly have not been holding my breath 😉, merely amused at the content of the proclamation. |
Oh come on @tsushima1 , you didn't really think there would be any published test results, at least not that would stand up to any scrutiny did you? I admit it, I am clairvoyant predicting in previous posts there would be no test results. The gift runs in the family. |
Do you mean the claims Krissy initially made? How would Chris know anything about audio efficacy (other than what someone told him) since Chris has no audio gear?
I've already said I take no issue with anyone using the now lime green gel on anything they desire. To me that's like accepting that freedom of or from religion is a peaceful and mutually respectful stance. This is your thread OP and I doubt anyone would have reacted any more than the usual contact enhancer threads. Then Chris chimed in.
Back to the power cord: Are you a candidate to purchase the Nano-Flo power cord? If so, why? If not, why not? Is it that you don't believe it beats all comers up to $3,500? Is it that you don't believe it works as advertised? Is it because of price? If it is because of price, at what price would you try it?
Lastly, you stated earlier in this thread that you had no business relationship with Nano-Flo, is that still the case? Have you received any accommodation whatsoever from Nano-Flo as this thread has evolved?
I guess I will just have to look for the guy with the white van in the parking lot at Axpona hawking hand-sanitizer-like gel with suspended nano particles...guaranteed to solve whatever the potential buyer might be subliminally thinking. You guys should be embarrassed... sheepish, about any association with Chris given the way he has handled this saga. I would cast a vote that the penalty for being complicit with Chris in any form would be a sentence that you could ONLY use the amazing Nano-Flo power cord on all of your gear for all of eternity. That'll show ya!
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@theaudiotweak You're av@ghasley 's questions, and with good reason, because you have no way of answering them satisfactorily.
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Chris has been forthright with me about his claims for the gel. Several of us here validated his claims further beyond day 1 musical performance improved in all facets. If he were able to remove the insulation from the conductors, apply the gel and then re apply the insulators then for me there would be a high probability his cable would be better. My senses tell myself thats possible..Kool to compare treated as I desctibed with an untreated sibling. Sherrid2 Sympathy for the Devil travels much further down the side walls especially on the right channel.. Devil is in the details.. Tom |
Issy, you asked earlier if I heard differences after 4 days. I believe Tom said his settled down after 6 - 7 days. Some of my improvements were down to the DAC being more stable. On honky tonk women I never heard the brass so clear. It's a complex track with lots going on but it was laid bare for me to appreciate al the musicals threads that make up the track. |
@theaudiotweak do you believe Chris has been forthright? Simple question.
As evidenced by the claims that the Nano-flo power cord beats “$3,500 power cords”, Nano-flo is explicitly claiming that a nano-flo treated $5 Home Depot power cord outperforms all other power cords up to that price. Do you believe Chris is being forthright in this claim? |
From the inside out of my power cords I believe they are much better than the raw nano flo cable untreated. I have not gotten around to treating any of my ac power cord ends other than my projector. If it was possible for me to build a cable from the ground up then I feel the difference with treatment would be profound..based on the little I have done so far. Tom |
I will yield to what you believe you hear in your system. I will also yield to your belief that each of the elixirs you have utilized over the years improved upon the previous version. You are all in and thats terrific. (Be sure to make a note to self: from here on, since Nano-Flo can’t evidently ever be removed that all future elixirs will need to be evaluated mentally in combination with Nano-Flo).
I will, however, pose this question which I believe drives many of us who have seemingly pounced on poor defenseless @nano-flo . Are you a candidate for the magic power cord? Do you believe Nano-Flo is being forthright in representing this cord’s efficacy? So, if you believe in the efficacy and representations of the contact enhancer and don’t believe in the efficacy and representations of the power cord, how do you reconcile this? |
I hate starting a thread here. I know watt I hear based on some components being in my system for over 10 years except for my audio racks which have been in use for over 15 years. Sistrum racks and platforms mechanical grounding knot isolation which can only exist in the absence of matter. So my main components are relatively stasis. I change 1 thing at a time. I evaluate by myself and with 2 friends. They both used TC and nps 1260 and this product is way beyond those two. I use geometric shapes on ceilings and walls I have added laminar flow devices to augment audible images. I have built a active air control that further enhances details high and low and removes to a great degree boundaries such as walls and furniture..I have mixed my own coatings to use on my in room breaker box which is attached directly to the outside meter box and shielded metal feed underground to the ground mounted transformer 35 feet from my house. I know watt I hear. So, yea I am glad I bought Nano Flo and it works to a high level for me. I bought more which is the way. Tom |
@jetter I know right? Maybe nano-flo should consider including in the claims that it also prevents the next pandemic, whatever it may be. |
@thecarpathian its highly likely that @nano-flo WILL release some results from a handpicked, non-qualified “tech”…maybe someone he met while throwing back some Schlitz or Ginny Cream Ale down at the Jersey shore. It will really have him scratching his head that after the few zealots are finished with the initial “order rush” that there just aren’t enough people willing to stop dancing around Stonehenge long enough to order his products. Look at the bright side, he will never have to look for a standard Home Depot power cord in the event he ever acquires any home audio gear. |
"Two lab tests today have proven of great value..." But of course you won’t share these amazing results. You are really, really bad at this. Ghasley has you pegged to a tee. Your formulaic step by step nonsense is so transparent as to be laughable. My favorite is you touting your $6 power cord for $1000 with "no fake covering", then you go ahead and dress it up with a dimes worth of superfluous covering. The term ’ lipstick on a pig’ comes to mind.
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High art @ghasley . This is not Chris' first kick at the can. He has gained experience from bamboozling in the automotive and general lubricants business too. From your playbook some similar mistakes were made. Personally if I see some make impossible claims for one product they sell I don't give them the them the benefit of the doubt on another I hold them to even greater standards. |
It seems you are progressing along nicely and are reading, albeit at a snail’s pace, the book “How to successfuly market BS”.
You have finished chapter one: Come up with a product least likely to have any verifiable effect so that way you can claim anything.
You are well into chapter two now: offer to have product tested FOLLOWING claims of efficacy. Chapter two spells out carefully having shills in place having made :objective” third party claims of magic results. You kindof got a few things out of order in this scheme but oh well, double down.
Chapter three is when you offer magnanimously to have the product tested and offer to make the tests publicly available for all to see. (Cue the trumpets for the obligatory “tah-DAH!) If the test data is performed by a reputable testing lab, do not share the results with anyone UNLESS what you are trying to do is sow the seeds of distrust between fervent wanna-believers and those who happen to believe results of a certain kind CAN be measured. The author of the book however recommends NOT using a reputable lab…the last thing you woud want is to create a data point from which there are only two conclusions.
Chapter four: NOW…NOW is the time to create a perceived “act now or else moment”: Limit the supply (don’t worry, you can always release more later and be viewed as benevolent). Hopefully at this stage of the process, the book exclaims, orders will fly through and over the transom.
@nano-flo you deviated somewhat from the typical medicine show playbook by slipping up and had posted claims of “increases electrical conductance”. You might have been better served by stating that secret ingredients necessary to make the product have recently become rare rather than saying you were going to pull the product and release it only to the industrial illuminati. That way you could have really exploited the market in the event there was strong uptake.
I havent spent alot of time trying to figure out if your shills are willing participants in your plan or if they are just that gullable. @sheridd2 has about 20 forum posts, the bulk of which are on this topic. I’ve never had a problem with anyone wishing to smear mineral oil with suspended particles on the contacts of their gear…more power to them. They likely do hear a difference. (Oh, if you ever plan to sell any of your gear it would be nice to disclose that so that a potential buyer, especially those with a fully formed frontal lobe, could decide for themselves if that is a direction they wish to go).
The power cable sham is hilarious. You failed to follow the playbook and made a claim easily verified by an independent thord party, an exercise you will never undertake. The adding of the .50 cent sheath on the $5 power cord was a nice touch. Jokes aside, this entire episode may rank right up there with the most bumbling, clumsy and ill conceived roll outs of unsubstantiated excrement in medicine show or carnival midway history.
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@sheridd2 : Thank you for the descriptive update. It was very helpful. @theaudiotweak : Thank you for the observations you made (pun intended) concerning the Nanoflo's effect on video cabling. |
YOU mean two tests that may or may not have occurred. Given that you are not posting any results or anything I will just assume that no tests occurred. Words are meaningless. Published results with details of the test are. Having never published any other validated data on any of your other products, I cannot give you the benefit of the doubt. It would not be prudent. Your post is bizarre. |
Two lab tests today have proven of great value, and that certain people here refuse to believe what is true no matter what evidence is presented, would not believe what happened nor have any interest in what I say anyway. I will present other evidence. where criminals are compelled to answer, but one last courtesy for those that may be on the fence about Nano-Flo today. Buy it when you can. After today's lab results it's now headed for industrial service only, and when it transitions, it will not be publicly available. (Test results could not be explained, so my cables, enhancer and fuses will remain for sale until I pull them) Thankfully I can say I encountered a few good people here, otherwise all is normal. |
If you are using component video @theaudiotweak that makes a lot more sense. I had a high end monitor that was really finicky pre-hdmi. I think it had a termination issue. You had to make sure the cables came straight out the back and away from what I assumed was the power supply location otherwise you would get a distinctive softening that would move across the screen. Tried several sets of cables and it never went away. Ditched the monitor eventually. |
0h boy! @theaudiotweak you really had to reply to the deluded audiophile? It was a bait. Wait for a big reply now debunking everything you said. Like a clock. He is the “smartest” of THEM all. He can “debunk” everything that the Deluded Audiophiles say |
I have in use a hdmi to component video converter because a lightening strike next door took out the hdmi board. Video is secondary for me. And I said glitter knowing full well what jitter noise is having sold Pioneer plasma flat panels for 20 k and Runco 3 chip projectors. This was before there was a digital source other than those supplied by manufacturers downloaded to hard drives and over the air digital broadcasts. Tom |
Back to what this thread is supposedly all about, Nanoflo. Been 4 days now since mine has been applied to my stereo system and I thought I would give an update. Upfront :- I noticed today my Dac, which has loads of little rubber feet and sits on Stillpoints Ultra 6’s, wasn’t quite level, the feet were interfering with the Stillpoints. I corrected this so that the Dac was perfectly stable. My listening session tonight, the amps came ’on song’ a lot quicker than they usually do. I revisited the 2 CD’s I played on the 1st night, Sgt Peppers and the Stones 40 Licks, disc 1. The bass acquired a new solidity that wasn’t quite there before. It gave a really good foundation to all the music played. One thing I forgot to mention on 1st review was the clarity of panning, reverb and echo, you could here it decay for eternity. It really takes you in to the recording. I couldn’t really fault what I was listening too, vocals floated out of the speakers, treble was extended but not shouty or hard, e.g. brass sounded really nice. Leading edge of notes were really sharp, timing was exquisite, sounds extended beyond the speakers. After listening to ’old stuff’ I finished with a new recording, Oscar and the Wolf, album, The Shimmer, track Crystalline. It’s available to listen to on Youtube, check it out. Beautiful solid bass, vocals crystal clear, echo that went on forever. The music just flowed over me. If my system doesn’t improve any further, I’m more than happy with what the Nanoflo has brought to the system. Though I do believe there is more to come. |