Lumin Ap on Lumin players - not so good?

No it's one subscription.

You just have to have both pieces working together that's all.

Yea it's confusing. Talk to the guy sold you the t2

I own the X1 because I liked idea of not getting a separate dAc.

 

So the Roon Remote and Roon Core are two separate entities each of which require a subscription?! Not the most easy of platforms to install or understand...

 

the core is where the roon operating software sits. It can be on your computer or a nucleus or a server.

 

You need to connect the app to the core via ethernet or wireless.

As an example, An iPad would be an endpoint.

Isn't my Lumin the "core"? 

This should not be so challenging. I bit the bullet and signed up for Roon to feed my T2 using my iPad to listen to Tidal.  Roon is looking for my Roon Core. What the flip is that and how do I access it?!

Just work with it a bit, read the online manual. It's better than it seems at first, the biggest shortcoming to me is an outdated poorly written manual. I'm far from an expert, but I've been pretty happy once I figured out how to send music from Tidal's desktop app to the Lumin app on my IPad, where I've organized it, so I play it from there. I think the streamer is great. The documentation is poor. The worst part, if you have issues and need help, it easy for Tidal and Lumin to point the finger elsewhere.

Sweet Moses...jumia, you are correct! After less then two hours with my T2, the app interface is awful. You would think that Lumin would take better notice of what its end users are saying about their product. I have to believe that a fair amount of their target customers visit audiophile community forums in doing their due diligence, and if enough of them are swayed by negative comments, marketshare will fail to meet company expectations. Wake up Lumin! Great sound...once you deal with the frustrations of the interface! Roon is looking more and more attractive. 

Oh my God just get roon. 
 

Functionality is far superior.  Spotify was kind of nice to but they don't have quality recordings to listen to.  Which is really sad because they have really super playlists.

I have been using roon for quite a while and I don't have to be jerked round by some incredibly convoluted interface.

There are challenges with the roon Interface.  But the basics easily flow and anyone can pick it up and get right into it.

Profoundly sad users aren't taken into consideration when they designed the interfaces

Extremely grateful for this tutorial, nosualc...I will give it a try once received tomorrow. Very excited to take my streaming to a higher level.

Cheers and happy listening!

 

Brian

Use Tidal connect.

I think your Lumin will advertise itself as a Tidal connect endpoint automatically.

I’m not sure if you need to configure the Tidal connection in the lumin app or not (for your account information). It’s probably a safe bet to do this, do it first, and listen to some Tidal using the Lumin app first (it’s really not that hard to use).

Once you’re up and running, launch the Tidal app on your surface of choice (I’ve used my iPhone, my iPad, and my Mac. I’ve never tried android or windows).

Pick your playlist and hit play. Things will start play on your local device like it always has.

In the Tidal app, on my iPhone and my iPad there is a little icon in the lower left corner. Looks like a little speaker with a couple waves coming out to the right. On my mac its on lower right corner.

Click/Tap on that, and a menu will pop up, with a list of available endpoints to send your music. One of those items should be your new Lumin device. Click/Tap on that. The tidal app playlist will go to the device, and the music will directly stream to the Lumin (the app is at that point merely a remote control, you can turn it off if you wish).

FWIW, your Lumin also supports Spotify connect, and it works the same way with their app (although I think you need to explicitly turn it on in the Lumin app configuration).

Also, make sure your firmware in your Lumin is up to date. Tidal connect support was added last summer I think via firmware update (free). If you have trouble the Lumin guys give great support on the audioshark forum (Manufacturer Forums-> Lumin)

I am a streaming novice about to take delivery of a new(to me) Lumin T2. Previously I streamed Tidal through a DAC using my MacBook and a USB cable, so I am looking forward to the sonic improvements that taking the MacBook out of the chain will provide my set up. I will not be using Roon and Tidal is my preferred app for music. I will run the T2 with an iPad with the Lumin app, but if there is a way that I can use the Tidal interface as opposed to the Lumin, please someone walk me through how to do it. And please be as descriptive as possible...like you are speaking to the family dog.

 

Thank you in advance!

 

Brian

It's clear to me that one of these interfaces are designed they don't take into account the user.

The companies hire an outside firm to design the interface and that is presented and a big conference room setting it looks really great.  But then as people start to use it it's not all that great but they have to live with it.

It's a shame users don't get more involved with a usability of these interfaces. Who the heck designed lumin Interface?? I mean just tweak it a little bit to make it so much better.  One guy sitting in the back office somewhere is creating an interface and everybody have to live with whatever this guy did.  And this guy probably doesn't really use the app.  And what does he care

I'm actually not using Tidal connect. There was a brief period where it worked, but I haven't been able to stream directly from Tidal for quite a while. Emailed Lumin tech support, the issue is unresolved. I've come to the conclusion that the problem lies with my router, it's too convoluted to go into. I'll be going with a new ISP soon. So essentially, I'm still going with a bastardized process, find stuff I like on Tidal's app, save it to my music or favorites, and it appears on the Lumin app, where I then send it to the T2.

+1 @builder3

If you’re using Tidal, use the Tidal app on your machine of choice with Tidal connect and you never need to use the Lumin app (except for configuration).

It’s not that the Lumin app is that bad (it’s not really that hard to use), but it is fairly limited relative to what the Tidal app can do.

I wish Quboz would hurry up and release their rumored (vapor-ware?) Quboz connect so I could switch.

Aurender, if you're listening, you really should support Tidal connect.

Often, I'll use the Tidal app on my desktop machine. There are ways to save albums, etc, that will then show up in the Lumin app on my IPad. It's not too hard. I can see more stuff on the Tidal app, as opposed to looking at Tidal thru the Lumin app.

App needs to be more intuitive. Descriptive words need to be added somewhere on the app screen.

It's not a teaching moment every time I use it.

Maybe if they offered courses at a community college.

It's really sad, such a great Engine with a nice appearance and so difficult to drive.

@sel53 The LUMIN App doesn't have a comparable feature currently.
 

Does anyone know a way to make the app delete a song off the queue after it plays it? 
On the Aurender app, they call this “consume mode”.

tah, these icons should be near the bottom of your screen. They’re only visible when you highlight (touch) a song in the right-hand panel, then you’ll see these options appear. Touch the song and lift your finger for this. If you touch it longer, you'll see other options. One that isn’t shown here is like the very bottom one, but with a ’check mark’ instead of an ’X’. It selects all songs, which is ideal for moving an entire album to the left-hand panel to play it. Have you looked at Lumin’s Online Manual? It’s not great, but you’ll be able to figure out a lot if you actually go through it while you’re using the streamer.

• Play now: Adds selection to the bottom of the Playlist and LUMIN will skip to it and play immediately
• Play next: Adds selection after the ’Now Playing’ song and LUMIN will play it after the current song has finished
• Play later: Adds selection to the bottom of the Playlist
• Play and replace: Replaces the whole of the Playlist with the selection, and starts playing
• Clear selection: Deselects all songs.

 

The lumen app it's something that can be useful but it does require lots of effort to learn it.  The problem is if you stay away from it for a few weeks or so and don't use it very much you have to learn it again.

It is an extremely difficult app to master.  It is horrible horrible horrible.

It's very sad because the underlying engine is seemingly very good.  And it's pretty to look at.

But ease of use is negative infinity.

Ok I pressed down and a pop up appeared with a bunch of little squares on it. Nothing to do there???? If I scroll to the bottom of the page you said I was looking for what a check mark. Nothing there. If I press on the song I get the little boxes with the lines in them.

To dznutz Hey,the long dissertation was mine. We talked before concerning your M.L 13A  You also steered me in the right direction to getting my D2 up and running. Tip of the iceberg  man if you read my rant just under your last post that agrees with the guy who said he was stupid you’ll see what I ran into. Anyhow nice talking to you earlier. I think rather than a lot is stupid guys I would use the term non tech savvy maybe not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Art 

Be nice just be able to sit down with someone like yourself and go through things. I’m really a very visual person. Will give you suggestions a go. Thxs Art

tah, if your playlist is in the right hand panel of the app, you need to move it to the left hand panel. Select one track on the right, stick a finger on it until it’s highlighted. Then go to the bottom of the screen, select the icon with the ’check mark’ in it, that will highlight all your songs. then go to the bottom of the app screen again, the left icon with load your selection on top of everything previously in the lefthand panel, another loads your selection at the bottom of the lefthand panel, yet another will load your selection to the lefthand panel and erase anything else that was previously there. Play with it some. This is how my T2 works, hope your device is similar.

Hold your finger on a song for a moment, deleting it will be an option. I think in the right panel, might be both.

I have read through all of the helpful suggestions in the forum. G(,uess what I’m more confused than when I started.. Ok guys here’s the deal. I have the Lumin D2. Apparently this app is the same for all models. Maybe some of you guys look at the thing and say oh I get this. I had a teacher once who was so clever no one knew what he was talking about.A lot like the guy who created this app. Okay from the beginning. I have the tidal music service. Clever Art was able to get his tidal play list to show up in the app. Let the confusion begin. This playlist has all my songs but in front of these there are numbers in no special order and often the same number. WTF. Ok l’ll just start at the first song and I can at least listen to the songs Pressing on another song if I want to skip. Right play the first song and settle back and listen to the others. Shuts off . Ok I’ll go to the selections lit and instruct it to play the next song. No way. Get this one day a list appeared when I scrolled left. Order was different but the numbers ran 1 2 3. Have no idea how it got there but it played the tunes one after another. I can live with this. Next evening came to play my list…..it’s gone but of course the list that does nothing is still there. Another WTF in fact several.By the way I didn’t erase the whole list list. I know what a F…ing trash can is. Now, I don’t give a you know what about Roon or BubbleUpnP or anything else. We have our funny looking list in the App.So how do we create the list with 1st 2nd song.able to ply one after another. Remember use K.I.S.S. Methodology. May be also how to place a new song into that list. How to delete songs. Any little tricks we can use would be appreciated. I accidentally held down one of the album covers and a bunch of funny little squares and lines popped up. My third WTF. I was a teacher for 34 years. I am willing to bet if Knew how to run this app I could write a set of step by steps that you can follow. Never assume that everyone should get it if you do. End of rant Art

“I’m too stupid”

 

Hit the nail on the head!

The above comment says to read the manual to use the lumin app. No way, you should not need to read and learn a manual to use an app. The app is terribly awful and less than intuitive. Lumin designers fell far short designing this app.

t2 is very nice but the app Interface sucks. The app may be a hell of a lot better than roon, but it sucks. I used it a month or two ago and now I’m too stupid to remember all the intricacies how works now.

Lumin needs to make some cosmetic changes to the interface to make it easier to use. What is wrong with these people. Sure they can use it no problem, but it’s an awful awful learning curve and then it’s awkward to use.

 

@ojc Lumin devices support multiple music streaming protocols, so there is more than one way to get music to play through them. I am guessing you probably ended up using AirPlay to stream music direct from the Qobuz app to your Lumin T2. AirPlay will resample the audio data if you are attempting to stream higher resolution audio files—this is a function of AirPlay and not specifically Qobuz or Lumin.

Regarding the SBooster, it will void your warranty to do that sort of modification.

@tubesrule

You need to HOLD DOWN your finger on the ALBUM thumbnail not the SONG. You will see a small menu pop up while you are holding your finger down. 4 small ICONS with arrows and lines will pop up. Click the first  ARROW/LINE ICON. All the songs should populate the playlist. Also, read the manual.

Hope this helps. 

Hello

can anyone help

 

new LUMIN T2 user.

it’s hooked up to a seagate 8TB full of music, DSD and PCM.

when I browse the folders and choose a song and tap, it plays just the one song and does NOT complete the album. 
 

is the fix the same as what’s described above, which may have been for other sources such as tidal where this is a local hard drive plugged directly in, and that’s the ONLY music source Being used.

 

Thank you sir!

Lumin distr/support # is 949 369 7729 in ca.  hope it helps. 

Some nice fella from the Lumin Streamer fans Facebook group helped me with this  I needed to be one level back, at the folder level, not in the actual Tidal favorite song list. See below…

 

I just set the Tidal playlist and my Lumin plays all of it. 

To play all the songs in a list:

- go to the folder of the list you want, do not enter the folder where you see individual tracks
- select the folder by holding on to it
- click the play icon farthest to the right 

It will clear all previous songs in the Lumin queue and play your playlist.

Lumin queue will hold like 2k tracks and then you can’t play new tracks till you clear that queue.

The same works for playing whole album etc.

I don't see a US tech support number, only Hong Kong. 

Call tech supp in usa 🙄and ask them to explain.  Its a pain. Guidance is better but its a pain.

 

 

Just got a Lumin T2. Apparently I am dumb as well. Is there a way to get the Lumin app to just play through my Tidal favorite songs advancing to the next song automatically?

 

I am brand new to Lumin and also find the concept of playlists frustrating. And I have been reading the sparsely written manual.

I have had 4 different Lumin Players over the last 7 years and love the Lumin App.  It is easy to use.  

You can play more than one song at a time. RTFM.

You have read the Lumin Online Manual, especially sections 5 and 6 as it relates to Lumin App, correct?   I suggest you actually use the manual for each shown subsection with your unit to experience what happens.  

I suspect you may want to specifically try changing your Operation settings for Tap on Song List and Tap to Play in Playlist in Settings for Lumin App.  As I noted prior, I can add whole album to left side playlist. I have mine set to Double Tap and Play Later for Tap on Song List.

No seems u have to select songs one at a time.  Will not play fullalbum

horrible

My experience has been you can add music to the music playing in the left panel.   You can add the whole album by press selecting the album or single tap music change view for all the songs and select those you want to add.  If you add using the arrow on top of the file icon, that selection immediately plays whether individual song(s) or whole album.  

Thanks, great detailed comment, very helpful

so it appears songs must flow thru list in leftmost panel. And any playlist detail seen on right side can not be played - although one song at a time can be played. And to get each list detailed on right side from qobuz into lumin, it requires manual effort one list at a time.  Ap Sounds great but design is very poor.

further seems i cant play albums from qobuz, only one song at a time.


To me this is sooooooooo screwed up.

jumia,

If I understand you correctly, you wish to add more than one playlist from Qobuz to play in the App.  You can do so.  The left hand list you see is the active loaded music to play.  When that list plays through or you tire of that assortment playing , you can press the trash can icon on bottom of the list and you get prompt asking if you wish to clear the playlist.   Selecting Yes does not trash your Qobuz Playlists, only clears the active selected music.  You can also add music to the active playlist from your Qobuz Playlists and/or music from your stored files.  Essentially you have control to edit and create custom playlist in the App.  You can clear that or if you wish to save that playlist, you select the edit button (far left button) at bottom of the play list.  It will prompt you to name it and save it.  To see these App saved Playlists, select the music note icon on the bottom of the playlist.  You can then select that playlist to play with the window that opens with note icon, download icon gives option to overwrite and save modified playlist where you may have added or deleted music to the playlist or save to your Qobuz playlist.  

If you want to add additional music to listen to from your Qobuz playlist, you can do so even while your first selection is playing.  To do so, open your Qobuz playlists shown in the App and press down on the playlist you wish to add.  The screen will show an arrow on top of file icon which immediately adds new playlist to begin playing, the arrow inside of file will insert the playlist into the order of the active playing list, and arrow at bottom inserts additions at end of current actively playing music.  

I strongly suggest taking some time to experiment with the App.  It provides you wide choices including just temporarily playing selections to saving as customized playlists within the App. I think once you get some experience with the options, you will change your current view of it.  

Good luck. 

I much prefer BubbleUPnP.  It's pretty basic, but a lot easier to use and much more intuitive.  The only thing I use the Lumin app for is Radio Paradise.  I haven't been able to figure out how to get to it from BubbleUPnP.  App is free, a license is less than 5 bucks if you want to get rid of ads.