First does not confuse religion, an organised political party, with spiritual insights...
Second there exist only one absolute truth expressible only in an intellectual plane :
the distribution of primes numbers is absolute fact, more real than the table where you type these words, even for angels or extraterrestrials...
Love is another absolute fact in the spiritual plane...
I know none other....
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Only religions speak in absolute truths not science. |
Exactly....
We cannot wait for science, except from mathematics, there is not a truth, but way more than that, a vision of fertile unending force....
Love and contemplation is the key....
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The universe expanded from a singularity, that’s when this universe and with it the arrow of time. When one speaks of before it doesn’t make sense to us as time didn’t exist so to answer your question science gives one of it’s most honest answers, they don’t really know. |
Penrose Theory is not steady state ….
And I cite only Penrose to name an alternative example... There is no absolute truth in astrophysics at this hour in the history of mankind …. :)
If you want to know truth before dying, it is necessary to study other books than astrophysics.... Love and numbers are my 2 books...
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Yep, when the sun begins to burn it's helium it will grow into a red giant then after a few billion years more it will rip itself apart condensing into a whit dwarf. I doubt humans will exist long enough to be worried about it. Unless they send Spock to deliver some red anti-matter. But, in the end, you can file that under just another example of deus ex machina, like all of our previous contrivances. All the best, Nonoise |
djones51, to what did the universe expand from? I never studied astrophysics so I’m always fascinated by the subject so I’m being sincere here. What do astrophysicists teach in regards to before the bang. Do they indeed teach that something came from absolute nothing? |
Nonoise, That which is a "Nothing" cannot return to another nothingness...Nothing is only that: nothing... No information (and all there is, is information) can disappear and has ever disappeared; more than that the matrix containing all information with all parts linked already in a living play is there for any of us to see... The distribution of primes numbers is the music of memory... Can I gives you a glimpse of that in a superficial but astonishing way? Here is the most complex object of the universe, it is not a brain, whose complexity is ridiculously small, not even the entire visible universe whose complexity compared to that is non existant : https://autodesk.blogs.com/between_the_lines/2012/11/carlos-paris-crunching-billion-digit-prime-numb...This is a beginning fragment of an object whose complexity is infinite...And this is the more simple photo of the universal memory matrix at resting.... |
Steady state no beginning or end isn’t a working theory anymore it doesn’t coincide with what we observe. Math is just a tool to help us explain, create and predict. |
Yep, when the sun begins to burn it's helium it will grow into a red giant then after a few billion years more it will rip itself apart condensing into a whit dwarf. I doubt humans will exist long enough to be worried about it. |
Contemporary astrophysics is not an absolute truth, it is a continuous endeavor like other practical sciences...
For example for Sir Roger Penrose, whose cosmology is not amateurish, there is no beginning and no end...
Thermodynamics is only a fragment of a more universal science and vision, then any conclusion by thermodynamics on the fate of the universe is very narrow vision...
I prefer mathematics....And for a mathematician, speaking of limitations or finite things only, is a way too much narrow to only work with that...Infinite is the smallest game in town...
More than that it is possible with mathematics yoga to sustain a clear vision... Alas! it is not possible to impose a vision, we must work wit it really....And at the end fertility of vision is the only goal...
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In a billion years our sun will grow so large, it will consume Venus and Mercury and bake any life out of existence on Earth. 4 billion years later it will have grown and swallowed Earth.
It will all be moot by then as our contribution to the universe will be filed under "whatever'.
All the best,
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Astrophysics teaches us the universe began and it will also end. It began with a magnificent expansion and ends a cold empty void, each star so isolated none can be seen from another until they too go dark, a vast empty space when the universe fulfills it's destined end of entropy. No need to mourn it's death or ours it's just life either individual or universal. |
djones51I understand your vision, and what is the lucid critical intelligence that justify it and which ask for... But ultimately, even in Mathematics, the truth of an idea, the veracity of a perspective on life or on numbers, is justified not by his apparent truthfulness but by his fertility...This is the ultimate view because we are free creative beings...We must choose in which world we will inhabit because we will create it... Being a nothingness or a plenum it is our choice at the end like at the beginning...All is equal yes; except by this criteria and question all is decided : which is the most fertile action, idea, or imagination? Because it is the most fertile that connect us all.... I choose what is the most fertile....Mathematics teach that also since Kurt Godel… Philosophy must know that since Goethe that place fertility above sterile truths...And Love is only after all the union of truth and fertility.... :) |
Getting deep now, since self awareness humans have feared death so to help cope with this reality that is witnessed daily man in his infinite wisdom created God or Gods which pushed him or ferried whichever myth you followed to a new life or continued existence of some sort. Now we have gone beyond the old Gods that interfered with humans in mischievous ways to the cosmic God or universal consciousness that will permeate all the universe for infinity and upon death or for those more sensitive upon our transformation we join in this universal consciousness. But like all things humans have conjured from his base fear of nothingness from clumsy spirit demons of antiquity to the new age beauty of the universal, deep down he knows it's all BS and in the end we're worm food and this universe will die it's eventual heat death.
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Thanks Millercarbon...
These video of Alan watts are marvellous....It remind me of my astonishment when I read it 45 years ago...This man awaken my intuition in a very open and easy way...
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So in consequence of that, the complete annihilation in a timing fashion, in a timelike manner, the absolute disappearance of anything, makes absolutely no sense at all. Behold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMRrCYPxD0I |
Reading myself, and not able to erase my post after the 30 minutes , I realize that my words sound like from the mouth of a Guru... :)
Perhaps I will ask for your money?
And then I will buy the Zotl Berning Amplifier, and the Harbeth speakers, and the Denafrips Terminator dac….And tweaks their embeddings …
A very cautious study of the ratio price/ quality audio market, push me toward these pieces of audio...They are not the best there is, but they are known universally and praised, and never bashed products...I had faith in Berning amplifier, without ever listening to them, faith that this zotl tech will beat the Sansui AU 7700, a legend from 1978...My speakers after my Tannoy were the smaller Mission Cyrus 781, one very good speakers in the mid or low price market, I had no doubt that the Harbeth will eat them, even as good as they are...For the dac,Starting Point Systems NOS dac, the one I own is already so marvellous for price,i cannot hope anything way better under the price of the Denafrips Terminator... This all amount to 15,000 dollars...( I add a power supply)….
I am very sad to announce the dissolution of my sect, for moral grounded reasons.... :) Keep your money....
I am sad tough....Even if I can live with my tweaks actual system the way it is....
Geoffkait was right, there is no cure... :)
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Thanks nonoise…. I am in love with the organ in my tweaked audio system... A bit short tough.... :) |
I like your citation very much Geoffkait …. :) |
My salutations glupsonHave you ever considered the possibilty that the truth is there is no other transformation but physical decay? Sometimes our belief comes from irresistible experience and intellectual fact that are impossible to negate... I cannot make you see with my eyes, nor this world, nor the skeleton of the universal memory, nor living with his living flesh, but I can assure you, by my own only tough, for me it is a fact, no more a possibility, all that exist exist like a part, like an organ of this universal memory... Numbers and geometry are for me way more than dead numbers and dead geometry...( before my relative understanding of quantum mechanics about the concept of "thing" that lives and that decay, numbers were my great revelation about the stuff that makes all )...So in consequence of that, the complete annihilation in a timing fashion, in a timelike manner, the absolute disappearance of anything, makes absolutely no sense at all... Time is not what we think it is...All that exist, exist, and transform itself linked with all there is, and this eternal and infinite origin is the only free source of all that exist and this origin which is a source does not live neither in the past nor in the future... I speak about "universal memory", if I speak about my own vision motivated by the experience of numbers, but William Blake this great genius, the only one not afraid of Newton, speaks about "divine imagination"... It is the same thing perceived at different angles... When i said in another past posts here about "snow", that a snowflake literally reflect and mirror the universe it was literally true for me geometrically speaking and arithmetically...The rest is a necessary constructive creation of this process in which we all participate... The sequence of prime numbers reflects and betrays the existence and the skeleton of a living memory, the metabolism of creative imagination...The rest is love or dust.... My perceiving smile join your skeptical one, and perhaps the two can make a world ?... :) My best to you... |
The light at the end of the tunnel might be an approaching train.
“It’s probability and outcome.” - Joe Pendleton in Heaven can Wait |
We always hope for something better, either in the here and now or the hereafter. Just settle for making it better now, because it's all you've got. And on that note, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HHDg0_-ezQ All the best, Nonoise |
mahgister, for me death is only a word and the transformation of a little speck of matter called " my body"...
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Perhaps truth is too precious to be owned... Have you ever considered the possibilty that the truth is there is no other transformation but physical decay? (assuming no cremation) |
millercarbon
Thanks very much for this beautiful video of Alan Watts... "Never wake up" coexist eternally with waken up... For me this is the scale of the universal consciousness, freeing itself from itself, being with and without object, co extensive from the void to the plenum... Like the silence between chord... For me there exist a photo of this universal consciousness; mathematics, and music, gives to us, for one, the skeleton and for the other, the expressive face of this miraculous Being of which we all participate... Good night my friend.... |
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I am an optimist, because for me death is only a word and the transformation of a little speck of matter called " my body"... But I am very pessimist because of the unnecessary suffering before death... The will to look for truth is the key to free ourself from ourself... Perhaps truth is too precious to be owned... Perhaps truth is this light at the end of the tunnel, that comes only if you called for it.... Alas! asvjerry I try my best, but I can only badly imitate you... Good night my friend....it is late indeed... |
asvjerryI think I begins to like more and more your economical speech... :) |
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If you think about it if these mats in the panel box really did what they claim they do, reduce energy consumption that would go a long way to help solve the problem. How about it, you guys that claim it reduced your energy bill and froze your orange juice what say you ? Not to mention the company that makes them would pass Apple in revenue. |
The fact that other countries pollute is not a reason to not stop polluting it's another bogus argument. You have to start somewhere so start at home. Greta Thunberg and her fellow young people, and likely some of your kids and grand kids will need an earth to live on clean air to breathe and clean water to drink. Believe what you will but climate change is not about us it's about them.
This is not virtue signaling this is life and death and the future.
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On a more serious note, and not taking sides in the global warming argument, is anyone surprised that millercarbon is rooting for more carbon (dioxide)?
Be honest, wouldn't you, too?
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I don't know about other universes but this one isn't cyclical, it began with a bang and will end with a whimper. |
Let's keep this thread on topic, I think what they're trying to say is it's all a big snow job. |
"This is why greenhouses add CO2, to increase plant growth and reduce water needs." Elementary school teacher did a good job. High school teacher seems to have cut some corners, though. |
As oregonpapa said... "Everything in the universe is cyclical, including life itself." However, it works that way only if you believe in reincarnation. |
"Peterson is an opportunistic scam artist, taking advantage of the gullible." Given that this is an audio thread, is it safe to assume Peterson is somehow involved with magic liquids, oversized refrigerator magnets, or, I am afraid to say, super-fuses? |
Tasty little number..;)
That’s me when I'm off the wrong side of bed, face 1st to floor....
If lucky...face up....*L* |
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asvjerryThe Cyrano with Depardieu is indeed one of the best film for me for a while... :) My best to you Nimble asvjerry... |
Fortunately...I'm nimble...;) |
No need to apologize....and agreed, the 'temp pest' of the later hours is primarily prowled by the likes (or dislikes) of Me.....;)
And the virus language is ripe for ruin...
Always been a fan of
Cyrano de Bergerac, with Gérard Depardieu playing our noblely nosed hero, he of unknown love...able to verbally destroy tall egos with a volley of verbs...*G*
Doing that in this era is like using a silencer on a .22....unheard, unheeded, until actually struck. The response is typical:
"Well...FU2!" *primate growl and grimace*
"Hmmm...offer accepted. Do you have a suitable companion for me?" *Icy S*
(Tears them up every time....)
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People dont understand it seems that these matters about climate change are too much complicated to be exposed in a "political" superficial way in an audio thread... And people dont understand that throwing oil in a fire is children play.... :)
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People are seeing China and India polluting more and more but Greta never wags her finger at them
Thanks for the straight talk miller. Don't worry though, virtue signaling warriors have a carbon tax to chase those dirty american jobs to other countries where they pollute far less. Think globally, shame constantly and you get bonus points if you blame the U.S. |
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I think that my delirious immodest rant is better than the tempest of the late hours ….At least it is an excuse for my rant indeed.... My best to you...
Thanks to qualify my atrocious and awful use of the English language by the word "literary" ….I apologize to all the children of Shakespeare...
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*S* (mangi's in a rare literary form this evening....)
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The performance you can wring out of even the cheapest gear is way more than people think You are right Millercarbon, and more than that, the performance of a one million dollars system will be under his potential without the right implementation tweaks...I listen to one on youtube… For sure I listen to this one through mine, not really to it... :) But this was sufficient to know for sure what this system was lacking. It sounded like a fatiguing microscope, even through my system, not like a musical fluid instrument... Even through my cheap audio system I was able to detect this evident flaw, unbeknownst to the owner because he cannot imagine that after paying this amount of money for an audio system he missed the essential part and that part would be and must be the acoustical, vibrational, electro, embeddings with the necessary tweaks...( Most people trust only electronic components and measurements for warrenty of audio quality, almost nothing else and beside that anyway, most people dont trust their own ears ) It will cost under 500 dollars to transform this one million system in a pure musical instrument... But if we must saiy that to this proud one million dollars audio system owner's, I am not sure that he will listen to the freaks tweaks …. :) |
I made a budget system for a friend with small 2-ways like that. $1200 altogether including power cords, speaker cables, interconnect, and Cones for everything. Because even at budget level its all about the tweaks. Then it was set up on one wall in my listening room. Originally just to break it in before delivery it sounded so good it was all I wanted to listen to for the few weeks it was there. Even dragged a few people from work. Because few will spend $12k but many will spend $1.2k. Everyone was impressed, and yet I'm sure it was tweaked out nowhere near as extensively or well as yours. Also this was components selected almost all from reviews and recommendations, no personal auditions or comparisons. Even so its many years later and I still think about that and how wonderful it was.
So I have no doubt your system is wonderful. Way better than what I had, which was pretty darn good.
And about the cost to upgrade, which probably people find hard to believe, but it sounds just about right to me. That little budget system, it didn't just sit there. It was played with. Crazy things no one would ever do, like put $1200 interconnect in a $1200 system, I did stuff just like that with this system.
At first it was just out of curiosity. People always saying how good your system has to be to hear a difference, what its worth spending or not worth spending, its not worth it with those speakers, yada yada all that kind of thing. Basically proved all that stuff is just flat out wrong. Everything matters. The performance you can wring out of even the cheapest gear is way more than people think. Only hardly anyone ever tries. You actually are doing it. |
Exactly my point... I listen to the acoustic reverberation and it is beautiful... Each pipes has his own texture and now i hear it clearly...Bliss indeed... I know this cd files for 30 years, and I think that this hypnotic playing was never met by another ...I am moved to listen to it for the first times really...
There is other audio system implementation way better than my audio system, but I am on this threshold now where more is better but it is not absolutely frustrating if you cannot afford it...Music is music, no more 2-d sound, then this musical experience in my room is enough for me...I am proud to have created this by myself tough... :)
By the way, 6 months ago, I wrote a short review of these speakers on Hifiengine, and I just read that another guy who made some measurements confirm my impression and also my bass appreciation of these more than good speakers...Mission Cyrus 781.....
I take much time to choose not only my speakers, but my dac and amplifier...It is not easy feat when you cannot listen to them before buying... I study hundred of hours, probably one thousand :) but at the end my choice are so good and the price paid so low that I cannot resist to smile each time I think about that....I calculate that a real upgrade of my electronic components, to really more than just improve them a little but going much higher, will cost me around 15,000 dollars...It is something when you think that the total cost of my amp+dac+ speakers is 200 hundred dollars, if I dont count 100 dollars for the cleaning of the amp and replacement of old catalytics...A deal...Even homemade and low cost, my tweaks cost me more … :) But remember that without my tweaks these remarkable electronic components sound like trash to my ears before the tweaks, if not trash, they sound "dead" and I was not happy even if I know that they are the best electronic audio components for the price ….Without the embedding tweaks no system play at his potential, never mind the price... :)
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