FWIW detail can easily exist without brightness.
Do you need a phono section?
Do you need a phono section?
Looking for inexpensive preamp
Schiit Freya with some really good tubes? Amperex 6sn7 maybe?. The Shuguang Black Treasure
6sn7 are big and require a raiser adapter, but they are warm sounding and very nice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-kQaCdjylc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RltJw004j3c Conrad Johnson PV6? |
I should have been clearer about the Brightness. I did not mean that detail was brightness. Should have posted as separate statement. I like a warmer sound. I like detail. I don't like really bright sounding. Thank you for pointing that out. And thank you all for the comments. I had actually forgotten about the Freya. |
schwantner OP Get the $129 Schiit Mani phono stage with any of the 4 Shiit preamps https://www.schiit.com/products/mani Cheers George |
The Freya (I own the original version) is an amazingly musical balanced preamp with features that no other preamp I know of utilizes, and it's inexpensive relative to everything else out there. If you don't like tubes you can now shut 'em off completely, or just buy the cheaper tubeless version. They give you a couple of weeks to decide if you like it. |
I just A/B tested both the Freya+ and the Saga+ for a week in my system. I ended up sending the Freya+ back and keeping the Saga+. For my preferred music (female vocal, acoustic guitar, classical chamber, acoustic jazz/flamenco) there was nothing the Freya+ did sonically that the Saga+ didn't do equally well or better. I don't have long cable runs and my components are not fully balanced end-to-end. I also have just three sources: cd, streamer and line-in for room eq. so the Freya's versatility was overkill for me. Bottom line, I just kept selecting the Saga+ to stay on even when not actively testing and not the Freya+. Turns out that a little googling of blogs will tell you that some of the Schiit folks feel the same way. They built the Freya+ for those who require a fully balanced preamp but the Saga+ is the one they take home at night (so to speak). One theory is that the single tube results in a simpler circuit compared to four tubes and that sounds better because there is less going on. Who knows? I just like the Saga+ sound a little better. |
there was nothing the Freya+ did sonically that the Saga+ didn't do equally well or better.That maybe. From a technical view point there is quite a difference in favor of the Freya in distortion, noise, output impedance, also the Freya has a 128 step volume control vs the Saga 64 and the Freya's power supply looks more sophisticated, and has two transformers. Cheers George |
luxman or arcam preamps will be much warmer than rotel which can sound overly lively and bright like there is oil in the sound,i still like it in certain setups it's very fast and sounds nice like grado headphones very open and sweet. iv'e auditioned a nad c352 after owning arcam and rotel integrated amps,the nad is too polite. iv'e ended up with ifi itube as a tube preamp, arcam delta 120 power amp. so id'e recommend the ifi itube 2 350$ |
Try a used DeHavilland Ultravalve. Check out Kara Chaffee’s Dehavilland website. For years I had a greatly reviewed and very popular tube pre which met my needs. Bought a used Ultravalve and it truly took my system to a different level. Warm, detailed, more realistic sounding (cymbals sounded brassy) and acoustic guitar sounded great. |
Try a used DeHavilland Ultravalve. Check out Kara Chaffee’s Dehavilland website. For years I had a greatly reviewed and very popular tube pre which met my needs. Bought a used Ultravalve and it truly took my system to a different level. Warm, detailed, more realistic sounding (cymbals sounded brassy) and acoustic guitar sounded great. That's UltraVERVE. But it is a good sounding preamp for sure. Not as transparent as an LDR or TVC, but still pretty good for a tube preamp. Oz |
You have the advantage of waiting for a good price on a used item. Tube units give you the option of trying various tubes to tweak the brightness you are sensitive to. I've owned a lot of equipment over the past 50 years, I could not be happier with my 'new to me' McIntosh mx110z tube tuner/preamp. (you don't get remote features, I get remote volume from my integrated amp when I want it). manual for features/specs http://thetubestore.com/lib/thetubestore/schematics/McIntosh/McIntosh-MX110-Z-Series-Owner-Manual.pdf This is double your budget, but fully restored. Perhaps you could sell more existing stuff, cameras, 1st born, ... https://www.ebay.com/itm/McIntosh-MX110z-tube-preamp-tuner/264409660162?hash=item3d900b3b02:g:AHYAAOSwoRFdOiW6 It's phono eq is excellent. I have dedicated FM antenna, pointed at Newark for WBGO Jazz, the FM is as good as they say it is. |
Thank you all for the help. I am looking to find a Schitt I can listen to. Unfortunately it's not in abundance around here. Just Got a chance to look at a Parasound P3 and a Krell Showcase. Has anyone listened to either. Both are in my price range. I believe the Krell was there low entry point. I am only doing audio, and probably only 3 to 4 sources. Streaming, Phono, CD as the primary. Maybe open reel eventually |